got the car dyno'd at churches today and he was only able to tune the a/f maps. my emanage needs a software update cause im only picking up 1 out of 6 ignition signals. i have an appt monday with greddy so they can update and troubleshoot.

right now it goes lean at 6500rpm, the stock injectors are maxed out with only 4psi of boost. once my emanage is figured out, im going with 370cc s2k injectors and get retuned. he thinks i can get 10-15hp more once i open up my ing map, so we'll see.

heres the outcome, not bad for 4psi . man, what a difference a tune makes. very impressed with the extra .2

 

Wow very nice

 

i would use the new tl type-s injectors..i think they are in the 4** cc range

 

FUCKIN AAAAAAA....

for christ sake I don't even want to see the 1/4 mile on slicks....

what you should do is swap that block and get the type s block, pretty sure your torque would jump above 300 with this

Part #: 10002-RDB-A00
Price: $1,085

 

Wow, 327.9whp and 280wtq on 4psi, those are damn high numbers.

 

off topic: dude your friggin avatar has me crakin up right now... stop that!

 

with a 3.5L block, better injectors, and a tune, he will MORE than break 300

 

any torque steer? how are your axles holding up? NICE NUMBERS

 

why would he have to have the block? He should be able to just put the crank in to make it a 3.5l..

 

no, he needs the crank, rods, and pistons, why pull apart the whole motor when you can just drop a block in?

 

Nice numbers. What kind of dyno does Church use?

 

"Respect getter"

 

Nice numbers!

OT: Nice avatar Ac_Attack!

 

no torque steer, only coming out of a turn while accelerating .

my axles are fine, but i am ordering my beefed up axles from gator glen racing. he makes some great axles and are now availabe for our cars .here a pic of them






he uses a dynopack dyno, which supposedly reads higher then your standard dynojet.

thing is when i got tuned their originally with my stock 3.0 i dyno'd at 306hp 260tq

2 months later i got the car dyno'd on a dynojet and got 308whp 245tq, gained 2hp lost 15tq.

were thinking its a heatsoaked thing, cause he runs that thing pretty hard while tuning it. why i dynod higher on a dynojet. im going to get a few pulls on a on one in a couple of weeks, so we'll see

 

Sweet numbers...

Plan for any 1/4 runs?

 

definetly. im hoping when the weather gets cooler, i can break into the 12's. my best time to date is 13.1 @ 105mph. thats when i was 3.0

 

your car is a beast...nice set up btw

 

did u run that time stripped? cuz DAYUM. That is very impressive. OMP guy ran a 13.1 as well. Not sure about his #'s but I think he was stripped..

plz break into the 12's man. i wanna be able to tell my buddies that J>K>B. =)

 

I'm pretty confident you'll break 12s with your current set up.

 

nice numbers! congrats!

 

blusap,

Less boost than before but more power right? Everything is in the tune, the right spark advance and air/fuel ratio can make a huge difference.

I don't know enough about your fuel system to comment on your injectors being maxed out. If you have a return-less fuel system you might also be running out of fuel pump. Watch the fuel pressure at WOT. If it falls off but boost stays constant then you are out of injector or fuel pump. If it falls off with boost then you are ok.

I have no idea what the working rail pressure is on your engine or what the pressure is in which the injectors are rated to flow. For example Ford injectors are rated to flow at 39.5 psi. My point is if you know all the info you can easily calculate what is required to keep your fuel needs in check. Even the diameter of the fuel lines can factor in.

Lets talk about your dyno results.

The Dynapack dyno attaches the wheel hubs directly to their dyno unit. By doing this they can eliminate the rolling resistance and overall gearing of the tires. It also makes the dyno pull safer than a dynojet.

A dynojet uses massive drums in the floor which are spun by the drive wheels of the vehicle. Since they are inertia dynos, the faster you rotate the drums based on time and engine rpm...the more power you make. Not exactly accurate but the numbers are typically accepted by most performance enthusiasts.

Dynojets are easily manipulated. Take a stock Camaro for example and dyno test it. Use an average of 3 pulls. Then replace the driveshaft with a Metal Matrix Composite type, switch to light weight alloy wheels, use an aluminum flexplate and install a smaller diameter torque converter.

Back on the dyno again and you are making more power. Are you? Not really.
Less mass means you can spin the driveline faster which means you can spin the dynojet rollers faster based on time and engine rpm.

Force = Mass X Acceleration

So the drums weigh "X" amount and you moved them in "X" amount of time.

Force is calculated first and called TORQUE on your graph.

Then it goes after the work by calculating Torque (FORCE) X Distance. Notice how all DYNOJET graphs the torque and horsepower ALWAYS cross at the same point? Doesn't matter who's car it is or how much power they make.

Then it takes work and divides it by time and poof...horsepower.

Finally the numbers are corrected to either SAE, STD or others correction factors.

Dynojet's do not factor in weight of the vehicle when calculating power. So if you have two 500 RWHP Cobra Mustangs but one weighs 4,050 lbs and the other 3,850 lbs. they both will show 500 RWHP.

On the track...things would be different. Hence the term..."you don't race dyno charts".

There is also a Mustang Dyno which loads up the driveline by placing brake resistance on the drum rollers. Mustang Dyno's use the vehicle weight to help calculate the power. If you put in the wrong weight, the numbers are skewed.

A-Train

 

thanx guys





just took out my spare tire, thats about it. its ALL about the launch man, that run i hit a 2.010 60ft on my stock 17's with drag radials. that was even before i swapped out my tranny, so no LSD either.

OMP's 1/4 mile time slip is almost identical to mine all the way down the board. i dont know if he was stripped, but i think he has HBP. very impressive nontheless.

you also gotta remember, stock for stock my curb weight is roughly 300lbs less than what you guys are lugging around too. so that counts for a few tenths in the 1/4 mile time.

 

oh ya, big difference everytime i drive out of there and thats JUST a/f no timing at all. gotta figure that one out monday.

thats a good question. he said my injectors are pretty maxed out especially when my boost really takes off right at 6500rpm, then it goes really lean. im wondering if it is the fuel system or not, im going to have to invest in a FP gauge.

 

blusap, if the injectors are maxed out, why not try the ones that the TL needs for the Hondata reflash for the High boost pulley, I think those are 4xx CC and come from and Rsx or something of the sort.

 

Wow those are some impressive #'s.

 

rsx-s injectors are only 20cc bigger at 290cc, compared to our 270cc, i dont think that is big enough. ive been looking into rdx injectors which are 410cc i believe and only $47 a pop, not bad.

 

-Oo i see, this was on DR's.. Have u ever ran them in your street tires? I would love to see what it can do with street tires.

-whoa, LSD? Would it be off the 6spd TL's?

 

i ive ran with street tires before, but i wasnt SC'd yet.

ya my tranny is from a 05 TL. i blew my stock tranny awhile back, wheel hop owned it

thats why its sooo important to either get custom engine mounts or install a CC auto torque dampener which reduces about 50% of wheel hop.

 

a couple mods for the engine compartment.

 

I cant believe nobody is bustin' nuts over the new beefy axles!!! There are a few others on this board that have been trying to find those for a while. I'm buyin' some next paycheck.
Nice #'s by the way. That hondata reflash for the s/c is about to come out, isnt it!?! GOOD SHIT, blusap-

 

Nice numbers! Way to go.

 

so wheel hoppin fks the tranny up?? I get some when running the TL from a dead stop, Mine is a/t however.... I hope a/t is diff than m/t when it comes to wheelhopping.. ugh..

 

i will bust like 8000 nuts once that reflash is available for my T. this surging is killing me. i know there is 20 some odd hp hidden before the tune....

 

thanks

i dont know why people arent jumping on these axles too. i just talked to gator glen today and he can have a set of axles ready in 24-48 hours. im ordering mine tomarrow my worst fears is breaking an axle at the track

waiting for hondata is like chasing a ghost. all you here is it will be out soon, but dont hold your breath. they do some of their testing at church auto and from the few ive seen, im not very impressed . shawn on the other hand was VERY impressed with my #'s, considering everything but my a/f, was left in the stock settings. he has got to be the best tuner out there.

manual or auto, it will kill both. why not get a torque damper?

i know the feeling i ran my car with the comptech POS, i mean ACM and the surge was horrible. i drove like that for only 3 days and that was enough for me

i got the emanage installed, drove down to church auto to get it tuned and as soon as i left his parking lot, i was like WOW! my car was a whole different beast. 30 something more hp and 0 surging.

i dont know why you guys arent taking the emanage route. it will cost you about the same as hondata and you can always get it retuned after installing new mods, which you cant do with hondata.

 

No reflash needed when going back to stock either. Much more flexibility with E-Manage. I'm a believer.

 

I wish i could get my car tuned by Shawn at Church. Can I buy him an airplane ticket and ask him to come tune my car here in Vancouver?

 

also, the ability of downloading and sharing maps no what i mean?

 

a better way to do it is, ship me out a 3.5, ill install it, get it tuned at churches and ill send you the map

 

hahaha.....i might as well drive my car down there.......oh btw......would you mind sharing your map? I want to take a look at it before I tinker with mine.

 

I just picked up the Support Tool and a USB to Serial adapter. I haven't connected to my unit yet to play with mine. Willing to swap MAPs? I wouldn't mind comparing mine to yours.