Dealer Says Aftermarket Pulley Bad News
04-06-2009, 10:00 PM
#41
and in closing. Dealers believe the only performance mods they believe in are ones:
1) installed from the factory
2) Offered as a factory option
3) installed by them
1) installed from the factory
2) Offered as a factory option
3) installed by them
04-06-2009, 10:16 PM
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http://www.acurahondaservice.com/
04-07-2009, 11:43 AM
#47
Just another case of a shady dealer trying to come off as convincing.
When you talk to master techs they will always arrogantly tell you they been doin this, that for 18 yrs. they are certified etc. As said I have met some "certified" techs who are utter jackasses. Sad that I would know more than they do. Considering that's THEIR line of work and what they do for a living. But in most cases, know for sure, the techs probably do know more than you. OK fine. But you need to stand your ground and let them know you are informed/educated. They will try to treat you like you know 0%. (Well you can't blame them totally because about 95% of their typical customers know squat.)
There are a couple reasons techs won't like your mods. They have been drinking the Cool-Aid that corporate feeds them. They learn from videos/brochures that Acura parts are tested through rigorous R&D and suited specifically for applications and they are persauded to frown upon other aftermarket mods because they are probably not engineered/manufactured well. (corporate does this purely to drive up profits, whether the techs realize it or not.) Either that or they are just plain LYING! They either don't want the liability, want you to buy something else etc. Just the fact he said 4hrs labor shows he is pulling your leg.
You think the dealer is really trying to be your friend that you can trust? Meh. They have an interest in making a profit off of your ignorance or gullibility. You get advice from owners up here and you can trust it more because we have nothing to gain except knowing we are giving you some good advice. The UR pulley is well-known on this forum with a VERY good track record. OK maybe it is not as durable as the stock one but just because it is made of aluminum doesn't mean it is going to shatter. It's quality stuff.
But, yes, they can void your warranty. So the decision is whether you want to take a chance if you are below 50k on your odometer. But if you are above 50k, go for it!
When you talk to master techs they will always arrogantly tell you they been doin this, that for 18 yrs. they are certified etc. As said I have met some "certified" techs who are utter jackasses. Sad that I would know more than they do. Considering that's THEIR line of work and what they do for a living. But in most cases, know for sure, the techs probably do know more than you. OK fine. But you need to stand your ground and let them know you are informed/educated. They will try to treat you like you know 0%. (Well you can't blame them totally because about 95% of their typical customers know squat.)
There are a couple reasons techs won't like your mods. They have been drinking the Cool-Aid that corporate feeds them. They learn from videos/brochures that Acura parts are tested through rigorous R&D and suited specifically for applications and they are persauded to frown upon other aftermarket mods because they are probably not engineered/manufactured well. (corporate does this purely to drive up profits, whether the techs realize it or not.) Either that or they are just plain LYING! They either don't want the liability, want you to buy something else etc. Just the fact he said 4hrs labor shows he is pulling your leg.
You think the dealer is really trying to be your friend that you can trust? Meh. They have an interest in making a profit off of your ignorance or gullibility. You get advice from owners up here and you can trust it more because we have nothing to gain except knowing we are giving you some good advice. The UR pulley is well-known on this forum with a VERY good track record. OK maybe it is not as durable as the stock one but just because it is made of aluminum doesn't mean it is going to shatter. It's quality stuff.
But, yes, they can void your warranty. So the decision is whether you want to take a chance if you are below 50k on your odometer. But if you are above 50k, go for it!
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04-07-2009, 12:13 PM
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i've heard two different things about the pulley for the 5at...
some people say its a great mod and some others say the tranny eat all the real gains x_X
so whats the truth?
some people say its a great mod and some others say the tranny eat all the real gains x_X
so whats the truth?
04-07-2009, 01:29 PM
#50
Exactly... I was a doubter too back in the day. I found this doing my research:
http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/technia...armonic-damper
Dinan is a well known BMW tuner...
Josh/Excelerate and I bantered about this a year ago, Josh set me straight.
Bottom line is this:
- The arguement/concern may be valid, but the Dinan article is based off a straight 6, not a smooth as glass V6.
- The stock pulley is heavy because it's intended to absorb minor vibrations... again trying to isolate vibes and help give the luxury feel. You MAY feel more vibes, but doubtful.
- Don't expect big gains, especially with an auto. The tranny eats most, if any, of the gains.
- Show me the evidence of danger... Lots of folks here have em, noone's had a problem anywhere... anywhere!
Truth be told most motorheads break thier engine or trade up way before this could ever be a problem.
and in closing. Dealers believe the only performance mods they believe in are ones:
1) installed from the factory
2) Offered as a factory option
3) installed by them
http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/technia...armonic-damper
Dinan is a well known BMW tuner...
Josh/Excelerate and I bantered about this a year ago, Josh set me straight.
Bottom line is this:
- The arguement/concern may be valid, but the Dinan article is based off a straight 6, not a smooth as glass V6.
- The stock pulley is heavy because it's intended to absorb minor vibrations... again trying to isolate vibes and help give the luxury feel. You MAY feel more vibes, but doubtful.
- Don't expect big gains, especially with an auto. The tranny eats most, if any, of the gains.
- Show me the evidence of danger... Lots of folks here have em, noone's had a problem anywhere... anywhere!
Truth be told most motorheads break thier engine or trade up way before this could ever be a problem.
and in closing. Dealers believe the only performance mods they believe in are ones:
1) installed from the factory
2) Offered as a factory option
3) installed by them
Kennedy and I got into an in-depth discussion on this and he did have valid arguments and research; that thread forced me to do even more research on the pulleys. I was able to find the response UR gave to Dinan and Steven Dinan actually formally apologized to UR and said that the accusations he made were unfounded, esp in reference to UR's pulleys. When it's all said and done there are a ton of J series motors with these pulleys on them which have gone well over 150k and some even past 200k. It makes a difference on AT and MT. It's a lighter weight pulley, regardless of the tranny it will still free up hp.
04-07-2009, 02:45 PM
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04-07-2009, 05:18 PM
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I had a similar discussion thread not so long back after talking to a knowledgeable Acura M/T. I say the argument is valid but proof is in the pudding and when drivers are putting well over 100k miles on the UR Pulley.. with not 1 thread of a driver attributing UR Pulley failure causing engine damage.. end of discussion.
Now under driving issues are valid.. thoughts..
Now under driving issues are valid.. thoughts..
04-07-2009, 10:47 PM
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The pulley is not about HP gain. Thus, the dyno probably will not reflect a gain.
The pulley is about dynamic weight loss. The dynamic weight loss is equivalent to removing 100 lbs from the car. And in theory, a 100-lb reduction in weight is good for 1/10 reduction (one car length) in your 1/4 mile ET.
The pulley is about dynamic weight loss. The dynamic weight loss is equivalent to removing 100 lbs from the car. And in theory, a 100-lb reduction in weight is good for 1/10 reduction (one car length) in your 1/4 mile ET.
04-09-2009, 08:46 AM
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I've had the UR Underdrive pulley on for 30,000 miles with no problems.
04-09-2009, 09:41 AM
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A few have reported feeling more vibes, but nothing unbearable that would force them to remove it.
04-09-2009, 04:28 PM
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Gene, what have you decided to do? I'm seriously re-considering getting one.
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04-09-2009, 05:08 PM
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Gene, what have you decided to do? I'm seriously re-considering getting one.
I may hold off a bit longer as I am dealing with like 3 interior rattles that the dealer made worse upon my last visit.
04-10-2009, 12:24 AM
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I am on the fence as I am a bit concerned by the increased steering wheel vibrations that may possibly result (and that I probably won't notice). I always fear that doing performance mods will increase the noise floor in the car and roughness of the ride.
I may hold off a bit longer as I am dealing with like 3 interior rattles that the dealer made worse upon my last visit.
I may hold off a bit longer as I am dealing with like 3 interior rattles that the dealer made worse upon my last visit.
Fixed.
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