ThinJim

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I'm assuming your speaking of the top mount air/water IC pictured, if so, it doesn't matter if it looks functional to you or not. It is funtional. It is watercooled up top and there were about 5 made for individuals on the CL side of this forum, all with great results. Search the members name, scalbert, and you'll find all sorts of info ranging from intake temperatures to the completion of this style IC.

and here is my functional fmic on my cl.

Kennedy

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Super... I'm sure it's the finest money can buy and is adding more horsepower than anyone else could ever hope to have. You're the most confrontational member who's posts I've ever had the dis-pleasure of reading.
Your smart ass remarks are directed at me, when it's others who have posted about the functionality of the IC. Go pound off on your old and busted CL

I'm certainly done with this thread. ThinJim has all the answers, but you have to insult him to get him to post the answer to your question.

Good luck guys.

ThinJim

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Is that all you got? Weak.

CleanCL

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the thing that gets me is that people like scalbert and thinjim know extensively about the J series motor. i'm not saying the other posters don't, but their comparing theory and OTHER cars to the TL. you can argue theory all you want, but until you apply, you have no idea.

and guess who has applied it? ThinJim and Scalbert. Again, i'm not saying anyone is wrong or right, all i'm saying is that these people have gone above and beyond with the J motor.

ACCURATEin

ThinJim... Thank you for chiming in on this topic. I believe you're the guy running a custom turbo setup making awesome power. I remember watching your video on the dyno...didn't even sound like a J series motor. Is that intercooler in the picture with your turbo setup or when you had the charger?

I am aware of Scalberts water to air custom design as i did a little research on it. The only problem is the engine management obstacle with the drive by wire.

So supposedly Essaraks air to air setup was indeed functional. Cool. I'll contact him and see what he says.

ThinJim

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Supposedly Essaraks FMIC is functional and if I remember correctly he did not recommend doing it on the SC because he felt some power was lost.

That picture was taken from a thread that Scalbert started, it's still there in the archives of Acurazine, do a search under Scalbert screen name and you'll find a calvacade of info on his research. Scalbert and Allmotor were pretty much pioneers on advancing FI on the J motor and my turbo came off allmotors car.

I enjoy reading the 3rd gen tl guys enthusiasm into modding, reminds me of the early CL days. What i don't care for are the posts that say it's not worth it or give rambling explanations that make no sense, just spewing words, or imposing their opinion on how a fmic would look if it's not functional. Some people like that. I'm not eloquent in giving expanations like Atrain and he's the one to watch on this forum, reminds me of scalbert on technical matters.

another member, 02av6, has transplanted a 3.2 into a honda 6th gen with this top mount water/air ic and has run a 12.89. i't not cheap and about the only thing someone on here had correct is the price. If that's not a factor, this would be a great mod for you guys to pursue. here is a pic of 02av6 motor with a functional top mount ic, this pic came from another thread in acurazine. cheers, and i'll be taking more shots, count on it.

invincible569

when adding the top mount water/air intercooler, does the hood need to be modified for the current TL? If you have any vids of 02av6, please dont hesitate to post! Would love to see them. Thanks!

invincible569

I was reading about this on the Methanol injection FAQ and it states the following:

Also, an intercooler will reduce boost 2 - 4 psi. on average.

Is this true?

blktl1

with a good intercooler you will lose about 1.5 psi

ACCURATEin

Here's a picture of the engine bay. You can see the rerouted piping.

blk2001tlon19s

old and busted cl? You must haven't seen his car.

ACCURATEin

Well the time has FINALLY come! The versus bumper is on the car and the big bass mouth gaping hole is in place and ready for cold air.

I've been contemplating this entire project and believe its quite possible to make it work.

1)The inlet and outlet pipes will need to be fed through the driver side through the intake inlet.
2)Battery relocated to the trunk
3)HKS Acura RSXtypeS FMIC kit
4)Custom piping with a trial and error attempt!
5)Comptech High Boost Pulley may counteract the pressure drop through the piping

I refuse to be a victim of heat soak this summer!

Let there be COLD AIR into the manifold.

ACCURATEin

lookinco

When are you going to try this out? I am planning to do the same but wonder if I should just use the water/methonal to cool or use the FMIC. I was told the FMIC might cause some throttle respondse problem and might cost more trouble then good.

ACCURATEin

Here is where the intricate weaving of 2.5" piping will take place...

ACCURATEin

I've got to contact Essarak with the red CL before I begin this expensive project. He may be able to shed some light on this which will help me decide whether or not to proceed.

Danny04TL

damn man... i give u props... if this truely works...maybe someone can start producing a kit?

mmcv6

let us know how it goes. maybe you can get a before and after dyno along with what boost level before and after also. I was thinking about doing this, but in my mind it just would not be a good way. In my mind I would think boost level would be lower, and power loss.. But if no power loss I might do it later on.
cool

ACCURATEin

I've found a gap that the piping can be routed through if the battery is relocated.
There's a hole right beside the intake filter that might have enough room for two 2 inch pipes to be routed through.

ACCURATEin

Hot pipe in red, cold pipe in blue

ACCURATEin

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Danny04TL

loooking goooooood.... hopfully it works out...!!!

lookinco

Sweet! When are you going to do it?

ACCURATEin

...it will be the next project for this car...lookin at sometime in april more than likely, unless i get itchy! The weather is really warming up here in NC, so it could be as early as march.

HKS intercooler kit ~$1100
Greddy ~$800
Custom fab work = ?!?!

3rdGenA-spec

good luck with the mod. but the supercharger does not make enough boost to need a fmic. i think you will actually loose hp and will have bad boost lag.if you do not boost at least 10psi or higher a fmic is just for looks.just my

ACCURATEin

The most recent issue of Import Tuner featured a 98-02 Accord V6 with the comptech supercharger and a custom R33 intercooler and custom routed piping, so it leads me to believe it's possible to make this design work. Has anyone seen the article on it?

ACCURATEin

The comptech high boost pulley might counteract the boost drop, as it raises the boost from 5 to 8psi. Do you think that will work?

3rdGenA-spec

it might work. you just need to match the fmic with the boost you will be running.just do a lot of research. you need to think about fmic core size.boost piping size and the length of the boost tubes.are you going to run a blowoff valve.

ACCURATEin

Here's a picture from the import tuner article on this 98-02 accord V6. If i can get in contact with this guy then maybe i'll get a better idea of what i'm about to get into.

lookinco

I would want to know more info about this setup as well. I wonder if the owner did the FMIC just for show or if it actually provided performance gain.

ACCURATEin

It was probably done for a combination of aesthetic and performance. The pipe going into the manifold lets me know its actually connected to the intercooler.

3rdGenA-spec

i talked to some people about what you are trying to do. and they said as long as you dont run to much boost pipe or get to big of a fmic you will gain hp out of the set up. the only down side is that you will have some boost lag because it is a supercharger and not a turbo.if you run the high boost pully boostlag will be a minimum.keep me updated on this project.

ACCURATEin

That's what I like to hear! I talked with a tech tonight at a local performance shop and I explained to him about an intercooler setup and he also said it's quite possible to make it work. I'm getting excited about getting on the ball with this project.

3rdGenA-spec

high boost pully+fmic+blowoff valve=good running tl.hurry up and do it.

ACCURATEin

...do you think the system will require a blow off valve? I don't think it will be imperative to have one, but maybe i'm incorrect.

3rdGenA-spec

no just the stock one that is already on the supercharger.if your going to do all that work you might as well upgrade it.plus it will sound real good with the greedy type-s blowoff valve.they are really loud with just 7psi.

ussi

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i can't wait to see how this turns out

ussi

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are you planning to use emanage for the high boost pulley?

lookinco

how does a BOV work with the supercharger?

from my understanding, a BOV work by venting pressurized air coming from the turbo when the throttle is suddenly closed. In the case of the supercharger, when you close the throttle, the supercharger will not produce any boosted air.