Can i install an apexi neo in my tl?
01-05-2011, 07:02 PM
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Can i install an apexi neo in my tl?
I was wondering if I can install an apexi neo I have in my TL. I just want to set it to activate vtec at a lower rpm... I only have a CAI at the moment but im getting high flow cats, a j-pipe, n a catback so I will need an afc to adjust my air/fuel ratio.
01-05-2011, 09:39 PM
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when i bought my car a few months ago, it had it inside, i never played with it, but it was working before we removed it from the car
01-06-2011, 12:08 AM
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^^ yes that thread has the whole debate inside.Dont be as naive as that guy.. To save you time of reading the whole thing, its not what you want.also, being that your NA, I dont think you will have any need or purpose for a piggy back system. either way GL to you..
01-06-2011, 08:09 AM
#6
dont waste your time
read this thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ight=apexi+neo
mostly for laughter btw
read this thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ight=apexi+neo
mostly for laughter btw
That post did not show anything other than how ignorant that guy is. It stated nothing about controlling vtec...
In the other hand, the apexi will def help me once all bolt one (except sc) are installed... when u make it easier for the engine to "breath", a/f can be adjusted to correct fuel maps n have a smoother powerband. Correcting the a/f ratio across the powerband will increase engine performance although these simple bolt ons will only make small gains. For example, my brother in law has a 2010 camaro ss with a CAI high flow cats n a dual 2.75" catback recently tunned Went from 391whp to 441whp and he ran a 12.4 with street tires n he is no pro at driving.... the point im trying to make is that a CAI high flow cats a j-pipe n catback will def benefit from a piggyback...
Idk much about our ecms but I read that it can override the piggyback n take the settings back to stock...my question to this statement is "how the hell ppl have turbocharged our cars or scd, achive any type of running when the stock ecm overrides any changes made?
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01-06-2011, 08:26 AM
#8
Good look with this...
Yo do realize Hondata stated they have no plans to release a N/A tune because they couldn't get any reasonable gains from it...
The discussion also followed that they tried to screw with timing and VTEC and only lost power in doing so, at least as I read the thread/feedback.
Now you're attempting to do the same with a reverse engineered harness, a piggyback, and a "hopefully" experienced shop that has never tuned a TL before.
That being said, you're attempting to what already been tried by true R&D proffessionals... with a less than optimal implementation and tuning strategy.
What's the definition of insanity? Repeating the same process over and over anticpating different results.
At best, you get a small amount of HP you never had, at a very high cost.
At worst you get a blown engine.
You guys gotta remember:
- Dyno charts ain't worth what thier printed on. If you think every mod you buy adds the amount of power you see on the marketing dyno plot, you're expectations are too high, and your last dyno proves it.
- Mods don't "stack up". 10 HP CAI, + 5HP P2R, + 11 HP greddy does not = 26HP. It's purely a function of flow. Installing one free flowing mod may gain 90% of the available power gain, and the other mods do nothing... It's all about how fast the engine can ingest and expell air.
The TL-S comes with a free flowing exhasut, larger bore engine, OE free flowing intake, lightweight cams... It's about as tuned as you can get. Bolt ons that further unrestrict a rather free flowing system yeild little gains.
I wish you all the luck in the world, but the #1 Honda tuner decided against doing this becasue of the results they got, I highly doubt you're gonna do any better.
All that said, I know you love your car as much as Ilove mine, and I hate to see you do something bad to it.
Yo do realize Hondata stated they have no plans to release a N/A tune because they couldn't get any reasonable gains from it...
The discussion also followed that they tried to screw with timing and VTEC and only lost power in doing so, at least as I read the thread/feedback.
Now you're attempting to do the same with a reverse engineered harness, a piggyback, and a "hopefully" experienced shop that has never tuned a TL before.
That being said, you're attempting to what already been tried by true R&D proffessionals... with a less than optimal implementation and tuning strategy.
What's the definition of insanity? Repeating the same process over and over anticpating different results.
At best, you get a small amount of HP you never had, at a very high cost.
At worst you get a blown engine.
You guys gotta remember:
- Dyno charts ain't worth what thier printed on. If you think every mod you buy adds the amount of power you see on the marketing dyno plot, you're expectations are too high, and your last dyno proves it.
- Mods don't "stack up". 10 HP CAI, + 5HP P2R, + 11 HP greddy does not = 26HP. It's purely a function of flow. Installing one free flowing mod may gain 90% of the available power gain, and the other mods do nothing... It's all about how fast the engine can ingest and expell air.
The TL-S comes with a free flowing exhasut, larger bore engine, OE free flowing intake, lightweight cams... It's about as tuned as you can get. Bolt ons that further unrestrict a rather free flowing system yeild little gains.
I wish you all the luck in the world, but the #1 Honda tuner decided against doing this becasue of the results they got, I highly doubt you're gonna do any better.
All that said, I know you love your car as much as Ilove mine, and I hate to see you do something bad to it.
Kennedy is correct, Hondata did mention that they had issues with the N/A tune because it yielded no gains, and some tunes yielded a loss (lowered Vtec engagement).
You have to understand that with these V-6 motors they are already running at nearly full capacity, getting 260whp on an N/A 3.5L motor is a lot.
You have to understand that with these V-6 motors they are already running at nearly full capacity, getting 260whp on an N/A 3.5L motor is a lot.
I agree. And even if you didn't care about emissions and being legal, you still could not do stand alone engine management because the stock ecm is so tied into every system in the car even things like the climate control would not work right without it.
One thing I will say, these things are tuned for max power in stock form. They actually have a bit of knock retard, too much in my opinion on 91 octane. Throw some mods that increase airflow and it gets worse. However, it will adapt slowly via the 02 sensors and LT fuel trim. Add more air and you'll start seeing the values of the ST and then LT fuel trims changing to bring it back to the optimum AF ratio. The primary 02s are factory wideband sensors so that's a plus.
One thing I will say, these things are tuned for max power in stock form. They actually have a bit of knock retard, too much in my opinion on 91 octane. Throw some mods that increase airflow and it gets worse. However, it will adapt slowly via the 02 sensors and LT fuel trim. Add more air and you'll start seeing the values of the ST and then LT fuel trims changing to bring it back to the optimum AF ratio. The primary 02s are factory wideband sensors so that's a plus.
There's still just not a whole lot a tune can do NA.
Once you hit the optimium AF for power and the maximum timing for a given octane, you're done. No more power to be had.
If you did a NA tune for 100 unleaded, you can throw a little more timing in there but still, I would be surprised at more than 20hp.
Once you hit the optimium AF for power and the maximum timing for a given octane, you're done. No more power to be had.
If you did a NA tune for 100 unleaded, you can throw a little more timing in there but still, I would be surprised at more than 20hp.
Originally Posted by opel
first off there has been a breakthrough its called the AEM F/IC, but no one seems to research or read anything, and it controls VTEC.
Secondly.. Apexi Neo controls AFR....what about IGNITION TIMING?????
and the MPG questions...everyone's looking to make power, but want better MPG.... IT IS NOT POSSIBLE on a fuel injected car, period! power is made based on how much air and FUEL <-----(seems to be everyone's worst enemy but want less of it to make more power) you can squeeze and the most higher compression possible inside the combustion chamber, and that can't possibly result to better MPG by squeezing more of those 2 inside your motor! (you can make more power by increasing compression ratio, but that'd require running a higher octane gas, which costs more)
I wish i knew a trick on how i could get less thirsty by drinking less water. (other liquids dont count)
Secondly.. Apexi Neo controls AFR....what about IGNITION TIMING?????
and the MPG questions...everyone's looking to make power, but want better MPG.... IT IS NOT POSSIBLE on a fuel injected car, period! power is made based on how much air and FUEL <-----(seems to be everyone's worst enemy but want less of it to make more power) you can squeeze and the most higher compression possible inside the combustion chamber, and that can't possibly result to better MPG by squeezing more of those 2 inside your motor! (you can make more power by increasing compression ratio, but that'd require running a higher octane gas, which costs more)
I wish i knew a trick on how i could get less thirsty by drinking less water. (other liquids dont count)
All found in different threads discussing the apexi neo and other tuning options
Last edited by justnspace; 01-06-2011 at 08:32 AM.
01-06-2011, 08:35 AM
#9
Racer
dont waste your time
read this thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ight=apexi+neo
mostly for laughter btw
read this thread
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ight=apexi+neo
mostly for laughter btw
Always hate arguing with hard headed people.
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