if anything, ull most likely feel a similar difference as found between winter and summer...ECU will prob add some timing due to cooler intake air, but at the same time, seeing a richer mixture from the added fuel (meth) it will prob pull back injector fuel setting things back...the car does not like a richer mixture, its a goddamn lean machine...its set up to run as lean as possible, safely... id do pure meth in this since its NA, water will most likely hurt some performance if injected at 50/50 mix

 

whats wrong with the GN bud?

 

The good news is I got all 620lbs of torque to hook on the street. The bad news is the axle is dead. The sort of good news is I did it while spanking a new ZR1 to 60mph. I posted it in the kill section.

 

Dude, did you read my mind??? Exactly what I'm looking for is winter like performance in the summer. I would be more than happy with that.

 

So, where can one find the Razor 100% Methanol Injection kit? I'm tempted to try it on my car with only bolt-ons.

 

Alkycontrol.com. Talk to Julio, he's always extremely helpful and he'll tell you if he thinks it won't work.

 

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Absolutely. I got my TSX supercharged (5psi) in early June, and the few mornings I got to drive it to work with 55-60* temperatures and no humidity it was a pure BEAST. Nowadays it's 80*+ and crazy humid and the car feels like it's sucking in molasses for air.

I can't wait to whip it around in November/December before the snow hits.

I am going water/meth next spring for sure...

 

I spoke to him a few months back and he said without tunning( control of AF and timming) and more boost he wouldn't feel comfortable selling me the kit. Very nice guy, said about $1000 for what we need. I was looking at straight meth so a mix kit is likely cheaper, since the pump doesn't need to be Methanol resistant.

His feeling was that the Roots blower increased the air temp about 10 degrees per PSI.

 

$1000? Jesus!!! i dont get why this has turned into such a hard thing to decide on, when theres no reason for it to be...

and thats a lot of money for a meth kit.

 

At the time I didin't know my AF or even psi since I didn't have my gauges in.

I think my lack of info made him feel uneasy about the set. He wants to custom build a kit for you and wanted more info than I could provide.

When I said I was making about 5 Psi he almost hung up. I guess he is use to higher boost levels.

 

That's funny. Most of his kits are for the GN guys. He owns an '89 Turbo Trans Am (GN motor). Most guys running meth are pushing 22-29psi.

All he needs to know is the TL runs lean, timing is waaay to much for boost, and while it's only 5psi, it's on top of 11:1 compression. I think if he knew that he would feel more easy about helping. $1,000 is way high. It should be $650 or so.

 

lol i bet.... but anyway...thats why i keep leaninggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg towards SNOW PERFORMANCE!!!!

 

I am visting a shop :ducks: (this is way above my ability and time) this weekend to get a quote tuning, the intercooler and installing the stage two meth kit and will post the damage.

I hate cars... am I correct to say I need a stage two snow kit for the variable timing. I prematurly bought the stage one and now think I have to resell it. Just curious and as always thanks for the help.

 

See if you can get a progressive controler from Snow. It has to be cheaper and easier than selling a kit no one wants. All you need is the controler that can start at 1 PSI and 20% pressure and progressively increase the amount of meth injected as the PSI rises.

 

Agreed.

It should be as easy as swapping the controller.

If that doesn't work, there's a decent market in the domestic racing scene. Many of those guys just need a large on/off shot of meth.

You *can* use in for a NA TL. You will just have to be more conservative with the jetting. In other words you will only be able to spray a small amount to keep from choking it down at lower throttle.

If you find that you can swap the controller out, I would install it as it first and if you don't like it, unplug it and plug the progressive unit in.

I also don't recommend a water/meth mix for a NA car. Pure meth is really the only way to go since you're trying to knock down charge temps as much as possible and the combustion chamber cooler that the water does is a distant second. You also run a greater chance of losing power when NA with the water in there.

 

so wait, what is the difference between the stage 1 and stage 2 from snow performance? how does the stage 1 control the meth injection? dont know too much about their kits :/

 

so wait, what is the difference between the stage 1 and stage 2 from snow performance? how does the stage 1 control the meth injection? dont know too much about their kits :/

 

Stage I is only really an on/off unit....it works off vaccum at desired vac level, or full throttle.

Stage II works either off maf sensor voltage or boost...2 dial settings.. so if ur running 10 psi....u could have it start spraying at 2-3 psi....and go on full blast at 6 psi

 

Both kits have two ways to inject the water/meth: vacuum or MAF voltage. The injection of water/meth on the Stage 1 is 100% at that setting. It doesn't inject 0% before that and 100% at that setting.

Stage 2 has 2 settings. The first setting starts injection at 10% and then ramps up to 100% by the second setting.