AEM Rep says "Don't Use the V2!"..H-E-L-P!
10-08-2009, 12:16 PM
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AEM Rep says "Don't Use the V2!"..H-E-L-P!
Ok..I was JUST about to pull the trigger on the AEM V2 CAI and I call AEM and they say that the V2 "is NOT and WILL NEVER be approved or made legal for use in.." my car the 2007 TL Type S. Yet; i repeatedly find on these forums that the V2 is in use many places ON THE TYPE S TL!! NOW..to make this MORE confusing...Excelerate Performance DOES LIST THE AEM V2 for use on this model! So...lemme know will ya...should I buy the V2 or the Standard CAI??
I want increase in HP, and sick sounds..thanks
I want increase in HP, and sick sounds..thanks
10-08-2009, 12:22 PM
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Ethernaut05
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I hear ya Ned. I'm all for a sweet engine growl...but I don't want ALL growl and NO HP gains..whats your suggestion?? FOR a modest gain in SOUND and some KICK? Injen? Fujita? K&N? i'm all ears...and I appreciate your opinion.
10-08-2009, 12:24 PM
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The V2 fits the TL. There is no issue with fitment and it makes power. If you were looking for CARB approval for that intake on your car no it will not exist but the intake fits. You can run the V2 or any other intake you like that fits the base TL.
10-08-2009, 02:31 PM
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You'd need to put the stock stuff back to pass inspection. At bare minimum you need to put the stock intake arm and airbox (no need to put the resonator section back in). The intake is not legal because of visual inspection, it won't make a difference in emissions testing (I don't think so anyway).
10-08-2009, 02:34 PM
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Edit: Even if you fail, you have 30 days to fix and present the vehicle for the 2nd inspection, which they must do for free. But you won't fail for a CAI. No one in the area has had any problems that I know about. I've passed twice with CAI. mmade22, golfjwr, chill_dog, accuratien, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
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Well...we'll see what happens. What about that visual inspection though?
10-08-2009, 02:46 PM
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10-08-2009, 03:10 PM
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Ok seriously, people need to stop saying that there is no issue with fitment of the V2 on the TL-S. There is DEFINITELY issues with fitment. Are they major issues?... No. But they are issues none the less. First off, the filter comes in contact with the lower fog light, which isn't really a good thing to have happening on a consistent basis. Second, there are issues with fitment concerning the main intake tube fitting into the throttle body properly and at the same time not rubbing into the body of the car (where the intake box was removed). I am also pretty sure there is an issue concerning the car's grounding wires as well, but I can't remember exactly what it was.
I bought this intake to install on my TL-S, and upon seeing all these issues during the attempted installation, I took it out and threw it back into the box. You should not try to FORCE something fit on your car that isn't supposed to, which is exactly what you are doing with the AEM V2.
I bought this intake to install on my TL-S, and upon seeing all these issues during the attempted installation, I took it out and threw it back into the box. You should not try to FORCE something fit on your car that isn't supposed to, which is exactly what you are doing with the AEM V2.
10-08-2009, 03:16 PM
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So..quick wrap up. Excelerate says the V2 gives the most bang for sound and HP gains...and will fit the TL-S...but over and over...people say WON"T ever PASS CARB inspection AND DOES NOT EVEN FIT IN THE ENGINE BAY without RUBBING...and bumping into lights and wireharness' sooooooo WHY even bother?! whats out there that DOES without ANY difficulty go in the TL-s and STILL have bangin sound and power??? thanks
10-08-2009, 03:26 PM
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All the CAI's require relocation of the grounding point, afaik. This is part of the install instructions for both base and TL-S.
All CAI's have a MINOR clearnce issue with the TL-S fog light connector, afaik.
All CAI's have a MINOR clearance issue with the down tube on the TL-S, afaik. See below:
Other CAIs' were not specifically tested and CARB approved for the TL-S. Only the base model. Not only the AEM v2, but the Fujita F5 and possibly others.
Whether the issues specific to AEM v2 are greater than with other intakes, I can't say.
All CAI's have a MINOR clearnce issue with the TL-S fog light connector, afaik.
All CAI's have a MINOR clearance issue with the down tube on the TL-S, afaik. See below:
Other CAIs' were not specifically tested and CARB approved for the TL-S. Only the base model. Not only the AEM v2, but the Fujita F5 and possibly others.
Whether the issues specific to AEM v2 are greater than with other intakes, I can't say.
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10-08-2009, 05:47 PM
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Will my 04 TL pass a inspection with a AEM V2 CAI?
im hearing rumors of people saying that the TL type-s wont pass a inspection with the AEM V2 CAI.. im not sure if they are true but will my 04 6-speed manual base TL pass one? i just ordered my AEM V2 online the other day too.
10-08-2009, 07:51 PM
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We've installed at least a dozen of these and we have not had any issues. I really don't care what intakes someone chooses but the V2 does fit. Any intake you install is going to require some modification; it doesn't mean the V2 doesn't fit the car.
10-08-2009, 08:21 PM
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Three Wheelin'
You will pass. I took mine in with an Injen CAI. As long as you arent throwing any check engine lights your fine. I got mine done at the Mobil 1 station across the street from UTD. In Texas we are more lenient. Most of the places don't care unless it looks like a hack job. We aren't strict like other places such as cali.
10-08-2009, 10:22 PM
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OP. Although I don't think CAI's really add much power, they still don't hurt, especially if you plan on opening up the intake and exhaust side further...eventually breathes better and starts adding up to throttle response with certain mods. I would buy one again.
I'm not trying to sling mud, but I feel if you're going to get a CAI, get one as close to the lower vents as possible. I read a lot on the V2's and they certainly look like they would be inhaling hot engine bay air, at least not as cool as the air hitting my filter right behind the front valence duct. Those that buy them because they're worried about hydro-lock, well, just be smart when it comes to puddles. I drove my V1 in North Florida for 3 years and hit some nasty floods. As long as you don't completely submerge the intake, or try and restart the car after it stalls out in a deep one (usually the culprit), you'll be fine.
Bearcat - my V1 instructions never said anything about relocating ground wires. at least, I don't think it did and I'm positive I didn't touch them. Had a little rubbing on the frame where the pipe dipped under the battery but I just stuck a piece of a foam sponge under it.
I'm not trying to sling mud, but I feel if you're going to get a CAI, get one as close to the lower vents as possible. I read a lot on the V2's and they certainly look like they would be inhaling hot engine bay air, at least not as cool as the air hitting my filter right behind the front valence duct. Those that buy them because they're worried about hydro-lock, well, just be smart when it comes to puddles. I drove my V1 in North Florida for 3 years and hit some nasty floods. As long as you don't completely submerge the intake, or try and restart the car after it stalls out in a deep one (usually the culprit), you'll be fine.
Bearcat - my V1 instructions never said anything about relocating ground wires. at least, I don't think it did and I'm positive I didn't touch them. Had a little rubbing on the frame where the pipe dipped under the battery but I just stuck a piece of a foam sponge under it.
10-08-2009, 10:35 PM
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Fujita moves the grounding nut from one hole to another for the same reason. Injen does the same as Fujita (http://www.injen.com/galleries/produ...directions.pdf).
Regardess, it's no big deal. Just saying, you don't have to jump through hoops to make this stuff "fit".
10-08-2009, 11:16 PM
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man, another CAI thread....just get the damn thing...if it fits, install it...if ppl say it fits, install it...who the fuck cares about CAI and inspection...since when is it illegal to have a CAI..since when does the law care how the fuck you let the car breath?...since when does anyone care if you just wanna slap a filter on ur throttle body and run it like that? who gives a shit...just buy the intake bud..and fuck what AEM said...the reason the disclaim such things is so no one goes after them if anything happens.....just buy the fucking thing from Exel, and enjoy it.
10-08-2009, 11:27 PM
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^^^^ Dude ??????
10-09-2009, 11:01 PM
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hahaha, that was good. I was just picturing that. lol. That should satisfy you short-rammers!
This AEM thing will always come up. Is there is a difference with an AEM CAI? The naysayers almost always don't own one. They speculate out of scientific/engineering facts they know or numbers/calculations. I am not going to answer toward that direction because I don't have that level of knowledge and it gives me a headache reading the 27491 threads we have on this topic.
If you notice something is that the actual owners ofCAI are mostly happy. Coincidence? If so many people are confirming this real-world experience I doubt this is just some "seat of the pants" thing or some placebo effect. I have driven my car back to back with CAI on, OEM back on and CAI back on again and now with the AEM V2. I drive my friends' stock TLs all the time. There IS a difference!! And people like Blacura have posted dyno results. I have an AEM V2, P2R TSB and ATLP quads. That's it. I challenge anyone to being their stock TL and FEEL the difference. I can only imagine a similar leap when I do the UR pulley and the ATLP J-pipe soon.
CAIs have been proven over many miles to be 99% safe to install. Yes the V2 is not a PERFECT custom fit. But it WILL fit. AEM will not recommend it because they didn't engineer it for the TL, only for the Accord. They are telling you to not install it, not because they are your friend, but because that is smart business sense. They can afford to lose that one sale or at least tell you to go for a V1. They have liabilities if they speak towards things they haven't researched. But someone who wants you to enjoy something as much as they tell you about it. We are not trying to mislead you or make money off you.
The modifications to do it are SO minor. If you are lazy to do that then don't even attempt to install a CAI. It takes so much time to do the whole install anyways. But if you realize it is worth the trouble you will enjoy it for YEARS.
This AEM thing will always come up. Is there is a difference with an AEM CAI? The naysayers almost always don't own one. They speculate out of scientific/engineering facts they know or numbers/calculations. I am not going to answer toward that direction because I don't have that level of knowledge and it gives me a headache reading the 27491 threads we have on this topic.
If you notice something is that the actual owners ofCAI are mostly happy. Coincidence? If so many people are confirming this real-world experience I doubt this is just some "seat of the pants" thing or some placebo effect. I have driven my car back to back with CAI on, OEM back on and CAI back on again and now with the AEM V2. I drive my friends' stock TLs all the time. There IS a difference!! And people like Blacura have posted dyno results. I have an AEM V2, P2R TSB and ATLP quads. That's it. I challenge anyone to being their stock TL and FEEL the difference. I can only imagine a similar leap when I do the UR pulley and the ATLP J-pipe soon.
CAIs have been proven over many miles to be 99% safe to install. Yes the V2 is not a PERFECT custom fit. But it WILL fit. AEM will not recommend it because they didn't engineer it for the TL, only for the Accord. They are telling you to not install it, not because they are your friend, but because that is smart business sense. They can afford to lose that one sale or at least tell you to go for a V1. They have liabilities if they speak towards things they haven't researched. But someone who wants you to enjoy something as much as they tell you about it. We are not trying to mislead you or make money off you.
The modifications to do it are SO minor. If you are lazy to do that then don't even attempt to install a CAI. It takes so much time to do the whole install anyways. But if you realize it is worth the trouble you will enjoy it for YEARS.
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10-10-2009, 01:54 PM
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This man is correct...If you guys don't know Carb stands for : California Air Resources Board. That should settle some stuff in this thread with people getting worried. The rest of the world deals with the EPA as I recall.
10-10-2009, 05:55 PM
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Just stop worrying about all this...if u want a CAI, get it..it will be noisy when you stomp on it, and youll feel a bit of better low end.. your MPG isn't gonna increase either.
get it and have fun with it!
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10-11-2009, 04:00 AM
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Nothing against people that have a V2 but stop steering this guy in the wrong direction. The HP or sound difference between the V2 and the rest is so small that you cant even feel/hear it. The V2 is a marketing strategy which is working......big time. Its a tube with a filter on it??!! I have an idea pay less for a AEM or INJEN quality CAI which is designed for your car. The HP is not as noticable as the sound is. Im telling you, dont waste your time messing with a V2. Its a buncha bullshit.
10-11-2009, 04:36 PM
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So , Injen Vs. V2 = Injen ?
Or to me it just sounds like Personal Preference .
I have a Base 06' , I was looking between the V2 , or a Injen .
Brother has a base 05' with a V2 helped him put it in and the fitting was fine .
Sound of it too is nice aswell ,
But , Between the two which should i get ?
( i just decided to post on here instead of making a whole new thread )
Or to me it just sounds like Personal Preference .
I have a Base 06' , I was looking between the V2 , or a Injen .
Brother has a base 05' with a V2 helped him put it in and the fitting was fine .
Sound of it too is nice aswell ,
But , Between the two which should i get ?
( i just decided to post on here instead of making a whole new thread )
10-11-2009, 05:55 PM
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All I can say...if you need a V2....you got not business with a CAI whatsoever. But thats JMO. IMO, as stated above, the V2 is a marketing stragegy to get people over the "hydrolock" scare that you constantly read so much about. And again...if you hydrolock your car due to your CAI...you have bigger issues to worry about than, what would have happened if I had a V2 instead. I mean, damn....drive your car through small ponds much? If so....dont get a CAI. Myself...I tended NOT to drive through small ponds. It makes common sense to me.
Some people...I understand....have some high water issues that they deal with in every day driving due to their geographical region/area. This, IMO, is the kind of person who should never even consider a CAI.
Some people...I understand....have some high water issues that they deal with in every day driving due to their geographical region/area. This, IMO, is the kind of person who should never even consider a CAI.
10-11-2009, 06:33 PM
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Like he said be more worried with removing things such as cats and resonators and mufflers for noise and such things like that. As for inspection me my dad and all friends have "passed" they really care ALOT more about tinted from windows. I passed with cleared/smoked headlights and taillights mid cat removed and intake.