2007 TL Type S Auto to Manual Tranny swap

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Old 04-02-2016 | 03:42 AM
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2007 TL Type S Auto to Manual Tranny swap

How much would it cost to swap from an auto to stick? Apparently, it would be easier to just either find a manual and trade.
Old 04-02-2016 | 05:58 AM
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The 04 to 06 is a bit cheaper just due to availability and age. I believe if you are paying for labor, you're probably looking in the 4 - 6K range depending on the price you get the parts for.

Even finding a cheap transmission doesn't seem to help much unless you find a full swap cheap because all the little items add up. Ideally you'd want a new clutch and flywheel - cheapest for that is $300 for flywheel and $180 for clutch. Then you still need the hydraulics, the shifter cables, the shifter box, etc. I believe there is also a difference in the harness that must be swapped or at least extensively modified to work, along with a manual ECU or a Hondata.

I've done quite a few auto to manual swaps on different cars and needless to say, the TL is not one of the most cost effective.
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Old 04-02-2016 | 09:51 AM
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100% cost effective to find a 6spd TL-S
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Old 04-02-2016 | 09:53 AM
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when my auto blows Ill do a 6 speed swap. Hopefully thats not for a while though
Old 04-02-2016 | 01:06 PM
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Just swap the whole car much easier.
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Old 04-02-2016 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by screaminz28
The 04 to 06 is a bit cheaper just due to availability and age. I believe if you are paying for labor, you're probably looking in the 4 - 6K range depending on the price you get the parts for.

Even finding a cheap transmission doesn't seem to help much unless you find a full swap cheap because all the little items add up. Ideally you'd want a new clutch and flywheel - cheapest for that is $300 for flywheel and $180 for clutch. Then you still need the hydraulics, the shifter cables, the shifter box, etc. I believe there is also a difference in the harness that must be swapped or at least extensively modified to work, along with a manual ECU or a Hondata.

I've done quite a few auto to manual swaps on different cars and needless to say, the TL is not one of the most cost effective.
I believe the bell housing is different for the 3.5 07-08 6MT vs 04-06 3.2 6MT.

What makes the swap difficult is all the electronics talking to each other. I am sure it can be done like anything but your better off selling and getting 6MT. Unless you get a smoking deal on a totaled TL-S 6MT that's been rear ended.

I purchased a rusted out Integra for my Auto to Manual swap, $800 for a running car, selling all the parts I didn't need and scrapping the shell I made back all my money and got the parts need for the swap. It's really the way to roll for swaps , you don't need to get nickeled and dimed.
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Old 04-02-2016 | 06:08 PM
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Essentially, what does the 6MT have that the 5AT doesn't? I think the 6MT has an LSD, and some other things but I'm not sure entirely.
Old 04-02-2016 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ritchie2428
Essentially, what does the 6MT have that the 5AT doesn't? I think the 6MT has an LSD, and some other things but I'm not sure entirely.
Yes it had an LSD, plus better gear ratios and a few less pounds in trans weight.
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Yeah cheaper to just swap cars plus less headaches and time.
If this was like the older civics its nothing but for our cars its just
to expensive.
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Originally Posted by screaminz28
The 04 to 06 is a bit cheaper just due to availability and age. I believe if you are paying for labor, you're probably looking in the 4 - 6K range depending on the price you get the parts for.

Even finding a cheap transmission doesn't seem to help much unless you find a full swap cheap because all the little items add up. Ideally you'd want a new clutch and flywheel - cheapest for that is $300 for flywheel and $180 for clutch. Then you still need the hydraulics, the shifter cables, the shifter box, etc. I believe there is also a difference in the harness that must be swapped or at least extensively modified to work, along with a manual ECU or a Hondata.

I've done quite a few auto to manual swaps on different cars and needless to say, the TL is not one of the most cost effective.
That's crazy. I plan on selling my car in another year and am only looking to get 5500-6000 for it.
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Originally Posted by 6spd-GERCO
I believe the bell housing is different for the 3.5 07-08 6MT vs 04-06 3.2 6MT.

What makes the swap difficult is all the electronics talking to each other.
Yeah my post wasn't clear, but my intent was to show that the 07+ parts would likely be more expensive than the 04-06 just due to age.

I don't think the electronics are difficult per se, but more just that you need a manual engine harness, and then spend a lot of time for all the ancillaries to function properly, like side mirror tilt in reverse.

I miss the days of old when you could just removed the auto, slap in the manual wire a clutch switch and bam done, lol.
Old 04-12-2016 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by screaminz28
Yeah my post wasn't clear, but my intent was to show that the 07+ parts would likely be more expensive than the 04-06 just due to age.

I don't think the electronics are difficult per se, but more just that you need a manual engine harness, and then spend a lot of time for all the ancillaries to function properly, like side mirror tilt in reverse.

I miss the days of old when you could just removed the auto, slap in the manual wire a clutch switch and bam done, lol.
Yeah, but did your mirror tilt down in reverse?? How could you live with that?
Old 04-16-2016 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ritchie2428
Essentially, what does the 6MT have that the 5AT doesn't? I think the 6MT has an LSD, and some other things but I'm not sure entirely.
Power transfer is direct vs through hydraulic fluid. The tighter gear spacing helps too. I went from a 4AT Maxima to a 6MT Maxima before I got back into Honda and the difference was pretty big. Typical 5.5 gen 4AT Maxima runs a high 14 at around 93-94. 6MT versions low 14s at 97-98. I don't think the TL differences are quite as big since the automatic is a 5 speed but still should be 3-4 tenths quicker to 60 and quarter mile.
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The TL has roughly the same difference. Stock, base models run low 15's @ 93-94 mph, 6MT is roughly 14.3-14.5 @ 97-98.
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