mrbogusbaxter

Might I kindly ask for your reference on the connectors from and to the TL XM Tuner? I just purchased an 09 TL XM Unit (traffic tuner) on EBAY for $29.00 and it just arrived in spotless shape....

As I see a left 20 pin connector and right 16 pin connector from the XM unit, would it be safe to say it would go into the same 20/16 ports on the DVD navi unit?

I own a TSX w/Navi (08) and i know we share similiar hookups etc.
though I see my original XM tuner has the 14 Pin plug in.

I have a 4.64a update disc ready to go and i am hoping maybe I could get this to work for the XM traffic.

Any help would be great!

PeterUbers

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zepp -- that is awesome -- most of us would NOT be able to do this on our own .. congrats and nice work.

zeppelin77

You are entering uncharted territory.
Two problems I see (1 major/1 minor):
1) (major) Your navi drive is actually hard-coded with a TSX "signature". So, while the white navi discs are universal (RL, TL, TSX ... all use the same disc) they implement different features depending on the signature. Since nav traffic is not a feature available to the TSX, that part of the disc won't be implemented even if you have all the hardware to support it. So, you will have to buy a 07-08 TL navi drive to overcome this issue. This may introduce other problems (i.e. ecu communication from the navi drive), but I don't think it will. No one on the boards has been able to hack the white navi disc to implement different parts of the code. I hope you have a lot of time and $$ to play around with.
2) (minor) You will probably need to get the 07-08 hfl unit to do the full upgrade. You only get phonebook import and some other features, but if you're only interested in nav traffic, then you don't need this.

It is not merely a simple sway, as you suggest, with the 20/16 pin connectors. Here are the wiring diagrams for an 07-08 navi system to get you going: http://picasaweb.google.com/benzeppelin/07Navi

mrbogusbaxter

first i do say a very kind thanks for the insight. i do appreciate the heads up for sure. In reality... i really only purchased the tuner as a replacement for my current XM tuner which I unfortunately broke while installing an alpine dvd/cd changer (snapped a pin out of the xm unit...how i dont know...??)

anyways i chose the xm (newer) as i figured I would grab it just for the price alone. as for the xm traffic, if it is that much of a headache..than i probably might not dedicate all that time considering I could easily hookup an Alpine XM/Sirius traffic tuner via the AI-Net on my changer. When and if the day comes when the bug bites...)

I thought I would at least hit up for the info since you truly did advance tremendously on the subject via your upgrade.

ya never know til you ask or sometimes even try!!!!

mrbogusbaxter

one more...double double thanks for the links to the wiring diagrams.
very cool of you to share the wealth!

2k5_AcuraTL

Jealous.

zeppelin77

Getting it to work as a standalone xm receiver shouldn't be that much of a problem (at least you can get that going). The major hiccup is that the navi xm receiver requires power from fuse 21 (it also requires fuse 7 and 32, but those are easily accessible) and there is no easy access to it. I had to splice into a wire underneath the carpeting on the passenger side front seat (required taking out the front seat, which isn't actually too bad).
From there, just de-pin the original connector that plugged into your xm receiver and re-pin it to your new xm receiver. You'll have to follow the pin layout as described in photo 7, 9 and 11 of the web album http://picasaweb.google.com/benzeppelin/07Navi#
I don't want to discourage you, but if I can do it (I was a complete novice when I jumped in) anyone can. For real. I wouldn't even know how to add a dvd/cd changer into the stereo system. It just takes some patience and research.
Good luck.

ando1brett

Wow. I'm just impressed that you were able to find a new HFL unit. Mine HFL is broken in my 04 w/ navi and I can't find parts anywhere. Any advice?

zeppelin77

Email me at zeppelin1977 @ yahoo . com
I have my old hfl unit for sale.

omelet1978

Just curious, I take it there is no adapter out there or anything that you could buy to make xm navtraffic work on an 05 TL with Navigation...

I know this is a long shot too, but I just had a backup camera put in mine with navtool. Can you somehow use that for it?

phunctional

is it possible to do this with a 2007 honda accord ex-l with navi and xm?

tnguyen_99

wow great job

kanabul

I would love to completely rip out the navi in my 02 CL and replace it with this newer system. Anyone know if this is possible, logistically?

thanks

1995hoo

It's all impressive, but the sentence quoted above puzzles me. The original Navi software on the 2004 TL lets you do this, assuming there's a number in the database. You just say "Send" (or, when the Navi lady fails to recognize what you said, you navigate to the "Send" button on the screen and select it), and then the HFL says "Dialling the number received from the navigation system."

What am I missing with respect to the sentence quoted above?

(I don't mean this to sound like I'm denigrating your effort otherwise. I'm just wondering whether you found some sort of new functionality in this one respect.)

zeppelin77

I think you're right!
My first conversion was to an 04-06 navi system tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10809702, but it wasn't 100% successful and I couldn't call out to a restaurant.
But now I can.

1_FAST_TL

i am tryin to do the same conversion.. i dont need the navtraffic stuff and all that.. as long as the basic navigation works im am happy with that.. i would like to kno which connectors on the dvd drive are not used, my drive unit was stolen and the plugs were cut so i have to resplice all the wires back there.. some of the wires match up and some dont.. should i jus hook up all the matching wires and see where that gets me?? thanks 4 ur help in advance.. i am a new member and cannot make any threads yet..

phunctional

hey i know this sounds like a dumb question but i have a honda accord EX-L with the navi and i was wondering if this navtraffic conversion was possible with the accord navi? if anyone knows or could help that would be awesome..

unr1

so how much does navtraffic cost a month? it's probably not worth to pay monthly for...
don't retail GPS units have free "traffic?"

unr1

you do realize this is an acura forum right haha

but google is your friend. it seems like navtraffic was never an option for your gen... so key components might be different from Acura.... ?

phunctional

ya of course i know this is an acura forum but honda and acura are the same. lots of parts from the TSX are compatable with my accord hence my question and also thats what this whole thread was about.. putting navtraffic in a car that never had the option in the first place. and also we use the same navigation disc.

gnterry

I also put a 2008 nav in 2006 non-nav. I developed attached PDF wiring aid to guide me.

JohnGreen

DMZ

Likewise, I'd like to rip out my '04 TL Nav system and replace it with the '07/8 system. The routing algorithms in the '04/5/6 system SUCK! Whoever designed them should be drawn and quartered, then shot. I even have the last update DVD from 2014, same shit, different year.

Honda has gotten smart and partnered with Garmin now to provide Navigation in their new models. Acura?

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L8rH8r

I'm glad I stumbled upon this. I have an '06 with Navi and I want the 07-08 Navi and backup camera. Mainly the camera really but it would be nice to have a nicely upgraded GPS system. I have the camera and camera wire. Just need Navi drive and possibly new hfl. I'll update this with pictures once I do the conversion.

JohnGreen

do you have a part number for the camera harness/wire that comes from the Navi drive?

L8rH8r

No unfortunately I do not. The camera I snagged on ebay for $85 shipped and the camera harness I snagged from a member who was parting out an 07.

ROM0716

Good afternoon to all. I would like to direct a question to those who already performed the '07/'08 Navigation Upgrade on their '04-'06 Acura TL. Thanks to those who were kind enough to leave copies of the service manuals for the '04-'08 TL's, I was able to download all of them and started looking through them. I even printed the circuit diagrams for all the components ( Display, Audio, Navigation, and HFL ) on both TL models for comparison. There were a few changes done and some additional features. I even got the crazy idea to rip everything apart and rewire the entire car. My friends told me that I have a screw loose............and to just buy another car
A special thanks to Zepplin77 for sharing some of his knowledge with the process of the upgrade.
Anyway, like I mentioned earlier, in a previous post, that I already upgraded my Navigation and everything is working good. But I have always been a perfectionist ( comes with the work I do ) and there are a few minor things that are not working correctly like before.
While examining the Display Panel Control Unit section, in the 2007-2008 service manual, i noticed a discrepancy in the connector wiring / description. The '04-'06 Display Panel incorporates, besides the climate control connectors, two green color connectors. one is a 14-pin labeled Connector A(14P) and the other is a 22-pin labeled Connector E(22P). Those were pretty straight forward. The '07-'08 Display Panel is a little different. It has two 22-Pin connectors. One is green color and is also labeled Connector A(22P) and the other is a blue connector and is labeled Connector E(22P). When I bought the Display Panel and Navigation ROM Drive, the Display Panel came with all it's connectors still attached. The two 22-Pin connectors can ONLY fit in their respected port.....green will fit only on green and same with blue connector. Like I said earlier, while examining the wiring description on the 2007-2008 manual, I noticed that wire lay out on green connector A(22P) did NOT match the one I had in my hand. The same went for the blue connector. In the manual, connector A(22P) uses terminals 5,6,7,8.9.10,15,16,17,18,19 & 22. While connector E(22P) uses terminals 1,2,3,4,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,18,19,20,21 & 22. But physically looking the connectors in my hand, the wiring was reversed. My blue connector looked exactly like connector A(22P), in the manual and my green connector looked like connector E(22P).
I know this is not a big deal and simply a waste of time but can someone out there who does have the manual, kindly take a look and let me know if I am crazy or not. I did get an adapter from Martin, in Florida, to retrofit my Display Panel to make it work but, as I mentioned earlier, there are a few minor things that are not working correctly. For example, the FM station don't display properly along with the stereo symbol, on the Sub-Display and my rear speakers are not as loud as the front. The passenger side A/C modes don't appear anymore.
I never had these nuisance problems before the swap. But everything works!
Okay, I'll stop talking now

DMZ

Blah blah blah. TMI for my 66 y/o brain to absorb. I did the conversion and it works just enough to my satisfaction, no traffic, no ability to make a call from the Nav screen, but good enough.
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pohljm

Those shortcomings alone are enough to maintain the original year navi. It is not like the navi graphics are that much better and you loose all ability to customize your navi display graphics and eliminate the nag screen. non starter for me. Alpine offers terrific service for $358

DMZ

Those shortcomings are things I can live with. For less than the $358 you'd pay Alpine, you could pick up an '07/8 Screen, and DVD drive, plus a $55 adapter to be able to plug in the '07/8 screen into your '04.

The system is just better than the '04/5/6 Nav, and having had that system all these years, the '07/8 setup is a refreshing change. Faster start, no more waiting for the GO button, Sharper screen, more vivid graphics, easier menus, and you can speak the city and street names instead of having to type them in. Think Alpine will fix your clock problem? With this setup, that's taken care of too.

My 2¢
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pohljm

customization allows you to create personal graphic screens to be displayed and you never a wait for the GO button as it does not exist and requires no intervention to boot. The clock issue is so easily rectified once a year at daylight savings time that was never a concern. it is just essentially the same dollars for hardware. installation on yours would be much higher as there is essentially none for the drive R&R. different desires on the outcome is all.

DMZ

Whatever floats your boat .........
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pohljm

that is precisely what I said along with the reason why my boat floats the way it does.

csmeance

I've had the same issues with passenger HVAC when radio is off on startup. My AM/FM works ok up top, same with XM. What are you seeing up there? The speakers not being as loud as the front is something that is isolated to 2004 models. There is also the issue of communication between modules/years. 04-06 use a different standard (Canbus I think) than 07-08 (GA-NET) so that can cause some issues. For example my A/C will not work when set to lo temp. Set it to +1 to 59F and the a/c compressor kicks on. It's certainly due to communication variances.