I can see all the replies coming in. 2,000 for, 2,000 against, and one that says navi looks better than the ugly bumps from hell.

 

http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78198

Me being rude -> :thefinger

 

Gee silvermullet, tell us how you really feel

 

Good! That's the reason that the TL is a luxury car! We can throw away a few grand for something that simply looks good!

Go clip some coupons.......save $2.00 on a bucket at KFC! You'll feel better about that gaping head-wound in the middle of your dash! You a big JFK fan?

 

silvermullet, are you tring to get beaten up or get some attention? I believe most of the people here got Navi.

 

boltjames:

I love Navi, but your picture was too much!

 

If you did a search for "Is the NAVI worth it" posts you would probably crash the server!

 

NAVI all the way..voice command..touch screan...look at your car then look at a car at night with navi and u tell me what is nicer....need a phone #...new place to eat...basic directions...navi is the answer...map quest/ yellow pages together

 

sorry guys.. not hatin, but opinion sharing... I have a long ass comment but something screwed up... its my 20 second commercial... an Editor's corner if you will, but Im not the editor... =+

 

DISCLAIMER: I do like the way it makes the interior look.

but Seriously, Who really uses the NAVI for the mapping abilities. I can really count on one hand the last time i said, 'oh shit where is there a MacDonalds' in Seattle or 'where is the closest Holiday Inn to my house'

Yes, if I really felt like it, I guess i could ask 'NAVI' for directions. btw.. I don't have NAVI in my TL for the following reasons

1. Resale is better on Non-NAVI then NAVI.
2. you will end up paying more than $2500 for NAVI over the term of your financing or lease
3. Currently NAVI systems are relatively stupid to those in Japan obviously, so, don't feel like wasting money on it. In a couple years, they'll be able to do much more, like show you real-time traffic problem spots.

Now if i drove from Seattle to Iowa, then perhaps it may come in handy, but probably won't happen in my TL anyway.

You will probably be able to count on 1 (maybe 1.5) hand the total number of times you will actually really need it... unless you are someone who doesn't know where the hell you're going most of the time.

All it does it look cool, b/c yoos a fool riding around with screen glare at night. trying to feel important, hoping people will say 'Oh damn, check that guy out, he must have a whole entertainment system in there, or be watching TV'

1. You will never use or even care about the Solar sensing climate control, some may not even know they have it.
2. You may use the voice commands, but most of the time, I bet you'll find it easier to just push the #2 preset or #2 disc button or change tracks on the steering wheel, then use a voice command to switch stuff.

Why do most people want NAVI hacks? B/C they want to actually use the $2500+ screen in their car.

So lets think about the logic there. I buy a $35000 car with Navigation, only to get annoyed by certain aspects of it 3 months later, even wanting to reprogram it so it doesn't do what its supposed to. It looks cool, but then I realize this 8" is too cool to just show a map, so I try and get a hack so I can watch movies on it.

I ain't hatin on the peeps who have NAVI... im just simply stating the fact that its not used for its intended purpose most of the time.

BETTER SOLUTION IF YOU DON"T GOT MONEY TO WASTE:

Spend $3000 and upgrade all the speakers, b/c even even with our ELS 5.1 system, the sound is respectable, but still shit, if you compare it a BOSE systems of Acura old. Get a DVD system with an 8" mounted right above the clock unit, with headrest units (why the hell not) and maybe a separate sub, and maybe even throw in an amp.

Then when your car is bumpin off a true DVD-V, peeps will be like 'oh sh!t'

But, you probably paid a premium for you TL anyway, and it looks good inside. =)

 

Are you new here? I see you are with 25 posts. Yes I agree that there are better ways to spend $2500, and the actual need for this system may be limited, but I think the wow factor and the extra options you get with it, along with the better looking dash makes this navi option worth it. For the suggestion that the navi model would reduce its value, what are you basing this on? That simply does not make sense! Finally, the present Bose system I have in my 2002 TL is quite good, however I am 41 and do not need heavy base for that rap music. BTW, my car is the non-navi, but this is because it was not availiable in Canada when I bought it.

 

wow silvermullet, that might have been the best reason why not to get the navi IMO. i still got it though and i do use it alot. mainly to find the distance from one place to another where i already know my way around. also another good feature on having a navi is seeing the street names. there are a lot of streets i pass by that i never knew the name. i know they are there but they are either covered by trees or the street sign was stolen

 

Every time the Navi and none-Navi is brought up, I just dont'understand why people take such a long threads to disscuss. like it, then get it, don't like it, then don't get it. May be Acura should have Navi as a standard equipment so that this similar thread will go away.

 

You live in Seattle. No wonder you are so bitter.

Common man, be real here. If you had the 2k you would have spent it too. Here are your actual reasons as I see it:

1) You could not find a TL w/ Navi to buy.
2) You would rather spend the money on supersizing your McDonalds.
3) You never leave Seattle (see get a life).
4) YOU NEED A RAISE since obviously your dotcom stock options are worthless.

GO BACK TO YOUR DEALER AND GET A NAVI.

 

lol... that is too funny....

 

The navi helps me get laid. Every prostitute that I pick up goes "wow....that's really cool" before they put the latex in the mouth.

 

Actually, there's a voice command: "Display local whore hangouts." And another one for when the wife is about to get in the car, "Hide local whore hangouts."

 

:lol1: :lol1:

 

is what these threads are. Can't help but read all you Hatfields and McCoys, but it sure is a waste of time.

 

Some really good points Silver. Some of them I would like to address.
Does the car have worse resale value than the non navi? Absolutely..it will be worth more but really only about 5-700 more. You will have to pay anywhere from 2500-5000 more for a navi tl depending on where you live. You will recoupe 500-700 dollars of that...count on it.

Is the navi never used? or only occasionally? ur wrong here..I had a navi in my last car and you use it CONSTANTLY. You never get lost...you never have to ask for directions..it is a very good thing to have.

The good news for those who didnt want to pay the premium for the navi...you can get any combination of pocketpc/nav software or standalone navi unit for less than 750.00..in some cases less than 500.00
This will give you all the functionality of the Navi and more(more frequent updates---cooler displays, traffic sensing ability..etc) check out www.tomtom.com and tell me that 3d display doesnt rock!

What the acura navi gives you that aftermarket cant? A cool display that enhances the interior...integration with stereo, ac etc...overall coolness factor.

Its definitely not a waste of money but it may not be the best investment.
I think its cool though...

 

Attention All Losers Who Didn't Pony Up The Bucks For The Navi:

You screwed the pooch. Too bad. The nav is one of the best features in an already-terrific car. Shut up now.

 

Regardless of whether you get navi or not, that picture was tasteless and had nothing to do with this thread.

 

That photograph is a visual representation of what the TL's dash looks like without the navi it was specifically designed to support.

Every button in that interior has been positioned specifically to allow the navi to have dominance in the dash. Some of the most used controls in any automobile (fan, AC, temperature, recirculate, etc) have been built into a perimiter 'framework' so as to allow the nav to be seemlessly integrated.

I cannot stomach the non-navi TL. It makes me physically ill, it's so unattractive. When the award-winning TL Japanese designer took a week's vacation, they called in Lee Harvey Chen to butcher the dash and create something far more disturbing than the single bullet theory ever did.

Both the non-navi TL and JFK were innocent victims of savagery. JFK didn't have a choice; you cheapskates did.

 

The picture was tasteless and inappropriate for this web site, regardless of any excuse you can come up with. I'm very very very very glad neither of my kids were in here to see it.

 

Navi is something I now wish I had gotten, such is life.

 

Lee Harvey Chen, that is AAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWSOME.

 

I think this is the first mature, honest, sensible post in this thread.

After all, life is like a dealership full of cars. Some have Navi, some don't.

Norse, I really really hope you get your problems resolved. The lemon law in your state is useless if you can't invoke it after all you've been through. Good luck.

 

 

And I believe the above post would be an example of a post that is somewhat LESS mature.

 

TL Gator,

Hatin is not my thing... but peeps don't get personal, b/c so will i. there are many people who regret not getting NAVI.. which is coo... Im just saying that spending $3000 on something that looks cool is an expensive impulse buy. thats all.. my 2 cents. and if you find the need to refute it.. thats cool too. but Im just being real.

 

Silvermullet,

I haven't uttered an opinion one way or the other in this Navi/non-Navi debate. I think the whole discussion is kind of silly, but who am I to stop an entertaining argument? But when you people start degrading each other with the kind of trash in your previous post, well, what's the point of being here then? This forum is supposed to be fun. A lot of us rib each other playfully. Lord knows boltjames teeters on the edge, but humorously, not viciously. Reread your previous post. It's vicious, stupid, pointless, has nothing to do with the debate itself, and demeans you more than it demeans your target.

 

I couldn't agree with you in these.

You prefer to have that modern tech in Japan installed into your vehicle in the coming years. Yes, you would get it. However, three years after, you would dream the same thing again if you see something newer and better.

Some of stuff in Japan or other countries, such as their fantastic Navi system, is just like the Concept Car for us. You can dream about it, but cannot get it. When you finally get it, there is another Concept car again.

So please get what you can have now out of the markets.



Solar Climate control and Voice commands features in the Navi of 04TL are just the appendant features to our Navi... Navi could work well without having them, and Navi could get some additional values and convenience if having them...

So bascially there is no need to use them if you don't want or you don't know...


These should not be the major factors to your decision of whether you like Navi or not. $2k difference seems pretty common in most of cars.

My 0.02. :licka:

 

Just knowing that you can look over and see the map scrolling live, anytime you need it, is something that you start to take for granted, and look for when you drive a non-navi car.

I have had NAVI's now in 4, going on 5 cars now since my first 99TL. The NAVI is what drew me to that first TL. Sure, I probably wasted some $$ along the way, and I rarely "ask" it for directions, but I really like it.

Try taking your eye off the road and looking at an atlas on the passenger seat to see that roads are coming up next. Before you even FIND your postition on the atlas page, you will have impacted a tree!

It all comes down to $$ and priorities, and no amount of back and forth arguing is going to change anyones mind. This debate has been going on since this board was started.

 

Last weekend GF and I go to Canada to Niagara on The Lake-Canadian wine country. As we head to the NYS Thruway she pop's in the names of five wineries I got off the internet. Name, address, and phone numbers of each come up instantly after entered into Navi system. Each are placed into "Today's Destinations". After walking around the village streets and shops we decide it's time to go wine tasting. Hop in the TL go to "Today's Destinations" and hit the first winery (which has been automatically placed first in order according to closest distance) on the Navi screen. The Navi TELLS me how to get there. When we leave the first winery it just starts talking to me to tell me how to get to the next winery. The process repeats itself for the rest of our destinations. Simple, easy, and on the money.
So, is it worth it? Worth every penny. Love to travel, love to have the key to any destination a fingertip away. I couldn't wait to see how it would work in Canada and it was right on. GET THE NAVI :bowdown:

 

This is rich. First we get newbies from massachusetts wondering why anybody would ever want an automatic transmission, and now an upstart from Seattle who doesn't grasp the value of Navi.

OK...get it straight, folks.... SOME of us drive more than 3 miles each way to work. SOME of us live in cities that are large enough that we still don't know every neighborhood. And still more of us have jobs which require us to travel to totally unfamiliar cities. The Navi is a LIFESAVER...for those of us who can afford it.

 

Since you consider the Navi to be in the catagory of Bling-bling, can I assume you don't wear expensive jewelry to make yourself stand out in a crowd. Are you against the concept of Bling-bling in all its forms?

Just wondering.

 

The navi is saving me a fortune in Verizon 411 information calls.

I simply say "find nearest chinese restaurant", and up comes a bunch along with the telephone numbers. I place the order, push the touch screen, and the car guides me to the pickup window.

Gas stations are another benefit. Sure, you'll see the signs on the road telling you that there's a Mobil, Shell, and Exxon at the next exit *but* they don't tell you that you've got to drive 5 miles to get to them. The navi's "show gas stations" feature solves this.

And of course, the #1 feature is the "detour" button which will get you the hell out of that jam in the middle of nowhere 200 miles from your home.

I do like the 'bling' of the blue line in night-driver mode.

 

Truncated version of Boltjames' post: Navi rules because it gets you chinese food.

 

I already expressed my view on navi system before...

It is not really worth $2500 for it... you can get after market PDA or tablet pc for much cheaper price and provides more functionality. However, most ppl who already got NAV system would try very hard to resisting believing that they made a bad choice and they would keep their eyes narrowed and focusing on those integrated functions like 3d solar sensing and etc. They refused to look at looking for alternative and just believe what acura supplies is the best.