Hey Guys,

Couple months in to enjoying my 06 3rd gen (recently upgraded from the 2g side) my freaking sub blows. Started off as a small rattle than just got progressively worse to a point now where its just farting air. Looking at Delrays website there are 2 different subs for the 04-06 model and the 07-08 model which is a tad more expensive for some reason and is also labelled as SLD whatever that means.

39120-SEP-A61 SPEAKER ASSY. (20CM) (SLD) 001 2007-2008 TL $75.14

39120-SEP-A22 SPEAKER ASSY. (20CM) 001 2004-2006 TL $58.24

Does anyone know what the difference is between the two? Does the later 07-08 models use a different ohm setting? are they interchangeable? difference in sound?

Also out of curiosity upon looking at the 4th gen ELS system they also use a 20cm sub 39120-TK4-A62SPEAKER ASSY., WOOFER (20CM) (PANASONIC) at 95$. Has anyone dropped a 4th gen sub in??

Before all you peeps come out with saying going aftermarket I need to advise you all I had a heavy system in my 2nd gen. Now at the verge of hearing loss, Id like to not rape my ears with heavy bass..lol im going to stick the OEM route. Any info is appreciated!

 

I don't think there is any difference. I have mine taken out from my 07 TL-s because I have an aftermarket system that I can sell you if you're interested. Works perfectly fine.

 

This is a very good question, let me tell you though all 3G factory subs sound crappy and I'm talking about a perfectly working sub not blown. Any who i have a feeling the 07-08 might be different than the 04-06 but not sure, if it is then i'll definitely be ordering it.

 

Try the 4G sub and let us know if it works ;-) I always wondered if that would work in a 3G. Although the electronics themselves are different, the 4G system sounds much better than the 3G. Waayyyy better bass too. Would be cool if just the sub made a difference and was plug and play although I'm sure the amp is better as well as trunk and deck lid design.

 

My .02, rip it out and put a small box in the trunk. Mine worked fine but the design of the rear shelf is terrible, I tried everything and still had rattles, I have far less with a lot more power in the trunk.

 

Yeah but the guy already said he is not looking to go aftermarket. Plus not many people want to run cables, have an ugly large and sometimes heavy box in the trunk. To a lot of people (myself included), the stock system sounds decent and is ample 98% of the time. If you can somehow get rid of all the deck lid rattles the system sounds pretty decent. It would be nice to get 4G quality sound in the 3G though. I have had a few 4G loaners over the years and it sounds very very good IMO.

 

I'm really not looking into aftermarket as I do feel the factory system is ample enough, without rattels and some sound deadning in the door the factory system is not bad at all. Simply looking for a drop in sub and adding some sound deadning in the rear deck while its out. So far from what I can see the 07-08 is a different part its all black whereas the 04-06 has a brown cone on the sub. Thats all i can come up with for now, I cant get justify buying the 4g Sub is it may not bolt up to the opening and may have a differnet plug connector.

 

You could also power an aftermarket sub in its own enclosure with the stock amp. This would sound infinity better than any sub mounted in the stock location.

 

Can anyone confirm if the 04-06 is made by ELS, I was able to look at an 08 Sub at the local salvage yard its all black has an ELS sticker 2ohm 40W stamped on it. Plug looks the same may try the 07-08 Sub as it looks like a better quality

 

yes the 04-06 is ELS made by panasonic, sounds great for a factory sound system at the time... except for the sub.

 

My '06 sub is all black, dustcap and cone. I still have it, it's only got 2 days of use and was pulled out before the car had 100 miles on it. I'm too afraid to sell it because who knows if the surround would deteriorate as soon as you put power to it after all these years.

 

I think you should try the 4g tl sub. buy it from someone here on the forum im sure someone will sell it because people upgrade to aftermarket. the connection is no problem at all, a simple 2 pin connection can easily be tapped or soldered, but im like 90% sure it should fit, most hondas and acuras all share the same audio plugs.

 

If it's being powered off of the stock amp, a pro audio woofer might be a good choice. Maybe something made by Beyma. If you can find something in the 96db @1w/1m it would get seriously loud on 20w. It would literally be louder than stock with only 1-2 watts. Unfortunately efficiency and xmax usually don't go together. If you could be happy with a 45-50hz highpass filter you could have decent output and punch with very little power. Of course it would be more of a woofer, not a subwoofer.

 

any specific recommendations?

 

http://www.usspeaker.com/beyma%208g40-1.htm

There's a 10" version on that site too with a lower Fs and more excursion. I wonder what will fit with a little work and maybe a MDF spacer.
That site has lots of great speakers, mostly pro audio. The only thing I don't like about the one I linked is the high resonant frequency. It's 96db efficient, has about 7mm p-p xmax and an inch of total travel which is nearly twice what the stock sub offers.

Output in the lower frequencies is solely determined by excursion * cone area. The bigger the cone or the farther you move it the louder it will be. Even with double the excursion it's only a 3db increase which will be barely noticeable.

The good thing about these very efficient woofers is if run full range the stock amp should push it to a higher xmax than the stock sub and this is where the additional spl comes from. The one I linked to has a more cone area than the typical 8" speaker like the stock sub. But again these aren't meant to dig to 30hz. You're not going to get lower than 50hz at a decent level. They will go lower but you'll run out of excursion quickly but not as bad as stock. Or said another way, it should be better than stock in every way but it's still just a single 8" so it's not going to impress any bass heads.

If the stock amp was not a limitation I would suggest the Dynaudio MW182 9" woofer that I'm running as a midbass in my doors but the stock amp wouldn't push them that well. They are very low profile and should fit with minimal work. Morel makes an even lower profile 9" that will probably fit.

My favorite that I have to stop myself daily from buying did the JL 13TW5 subs. They have good xmax for a shallow sub, they sound exceptional, lots of cone area not much less than some 15s and only 2.6" deep! A 2.6" deep 13.5" sub with good excursion abilities. This is completely off topic but maybe some of those wanting to use the stock sub location due to trunk space issues might read this and give it a try, it will be much louder and deeper and sound so much better than anything that will fit into the stock location.

If you did one of these subs infinite baffle behind the seats, your total lost trunk space would literally be 2.6" and you get the advantages of a large sub which is just amazing in my opinion.

 

If you look around that site, look for a low Fs (resonant frequency), high xmax and xmech (maximum linear excursion and maximum excursion before you hurt it), high SPL (efficiency, make sure it's apples to apples, either 1w/1m or 2.83v/1m), Qts between .4-.7 (how well damped it is, a trade off between efficiency/ringing and well damped/controlled).

So low FS, high xmax and xmech, high SPL, .4-.7 Qts should be ideal but there are always exceptions.

 

IHC, so the beyma speaker you linked is a direct fit/drop in? No modification needed? 4 ohm or 8 ohm?

 

pretty sure for a stock amp you would get the 4 ohm version

 

Still curious about this

 

I tried swapping in an 08 type s sub into my 06 about a year ago and had no luck. Different connectors and wouldn't drop in perfect, you're better off getting a replacement for what you have if you plan on keeping it stock. I upgraded to aftermarket shortly after replacing ,y stock one.

 

What about the 4g stock amp? The sub may just be a newer version of the same sub...but with a slightly "better" amp. Iirc the 3G amp is only pushing 40w(?) Maybe that is the difference & not the sub. I never looked into it cuz didn't see the point, took my sub out & added a 5ch amp. But if your wanting to stay stock, maybe it's worth it to check.

 

With how cheap speakers are I have no Idea why you would want to buy OEM. OEM speakers are almost never better than aftermarket. Only exception would be higher end audio systems in certain german cars. For another 20$ you can have way better sounding speakers

 

 

Does anyone know what will be a good aftermarket sub? just want to replace the sub right now? I know there is not a lot of options.

 

Cheap aftermarket speakers are not always better than OEM. I proved that with my SK6 speakers on the Klippel vs OEM speakers. And those were $180 so they weren't the cheapest out there.

 

what exactly are we looking at here?