Attempting a non-nav to nav convertion. NEED HELP
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Attempting a non-nav to nav convertion. NEED HELP
I am a new Acura owner and I am going to attempt the nav conversion. I know I am getting myself into a project but I wanna try it. I found most of the components ( screen, radio, computer ) but I am having trouble finding the harnesses. Does anyone sell just what I need to do this ? I saw a couple threads of people doing this convertion and it helped but I am still a lil nervous.
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First off welcome to AZ. Secondly, that's one hell of a topic for your first post. This is not for the faint of heart. As for the harnesses, good luck. Your either going to want to build your own, pull them from a junkyard, or bite the bullet and buy them new (all 3 add up to $1200 new)...
Do you have a 04-06 or 07-08? Are all your parts from the same "sub-generation"?
Do you have a 04-06 or 07-08? Are all your parts from the same "sub-generation"?
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First off welcome to AZ. Secondly, that's one hell of a topic for your first post. This is not for the faint of heart. As for the harnesses, good luck. Your either going to want to build your own, pull them from a junkyard, or bite the bullet and buy them new (all 3 add up to $1200 new)...
Do you have a 04-06 or 07-08? Are all your parts from the same "sub-generation"?
Do you have a 04-06 or 07-08? Are all your parts from the same "sub-generation"?
Thank you for the welcome. I bought everything out of an 05 TL ($1000 LKQ). I own an 04. I was really debating on buying an 07-08 system but I could not find a thread of someone doing a no-nav 04 to nav 07-08 so I figured I would go with the safe bet.
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if you search, you will find a few threads that has all the parts needed, such as steering wheel buttons, microphones, antenna, harnesses, etc. The conversion is VERY labor intensive and requires good electrical and wiring skills.
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Hmm, good question. I'd have to say that since I have yet to see anyone say anything about running wires to that spot, I'd say it is just p-n-p. Good question though.
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Nice! You sir are my inspiration. Hop on over to my thread, I'm sure I'll have questions for you.
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Thanks man. I'm def gonna need your help cause I desided to make my own harness off the pig tails of the nav computer and nav screen. I am all set with paying $500 for the pre-made harness. I am waiting on LKQ to get back to me about the roof harness.
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So I got lazy and just ordered a dash,floor and roof harness ($250). It should be here early next week along with everything else. I went to my local Acura dealership and grabbed the service manual and electronic troubleshoot books. Thanks guys for all your help so far.
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So I got lazy and just ordered a dash,floor and roof harness ($250). It should be here early next week along with everything else. I went to my local Acura dealership and grabbed the service manual and electronic troubleshoot books. Thanks guys for all your help so far.
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Might seem expensive but I just paid 1800 bucks off of ebay for to convert my 08 non nav to nav. Got everything... dvd player, nav screen, small display, voice control buttons and a custom harness with directions. (actually didn't want to deal with pulling out airbag so opted for custom buttons near my VSA button instead of factory.)
I did my install this weekend... only took 8 hours with little brainpower needed. (mainly cause it was my first time to take apart console... I was a little gunshy) WAY WORTH THE EXTRA BUCKS TO HAVE NO HEADACHES!!!! AND I GET A 6 MONTH WARRANTY.
Martin helped me with all my questions during install. Only thing that doesnt work is my link from the nav to bluetooth. Nav works, bluetooth works but can't call up a nearest location and just hit call button. But oh well I can deal with that.
Martin's email is acurahondatech@comcast.net if anyone else wants his kits. I definately recommend.
I did my install this weekend... only took 8 hours with little brainpower needed. (mainly cause it was my first time to take apart console... I was a little gunshy) WAY WORTH THE EXTRA BUCKS TO HAVE NO HEADACHES!!!! AND I GET A 6 MONTH WARRANTY.
Martin helped me with all my questions during install. Only thing that doesnt work is my link from the nav to bluetooth. Nav works, bluetooth works but can't call up a nearest location and just hit call button. But oh well I can deal with that.
Martin's email is acurahondatech@comcast.net if anyone else wants his kits. I definately recommend.
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yeah the harnesses are used. I am gonna separate the nav wires and re-shrink everything. I was just not gonna pay the 500 for the pre-made harnesses
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did you get xm nav traffic to work too?
if so, you're one of the first to do a complete 08 conversion.
if you didn't touch the bluetooth (in the roof dome lights), that's probably why the nav/bluetooth doesn't work.
Congrats.
if so, you're one of the first to do a complete 08 conversion.
if you didn't touch the bluetooth (in the roof dome lights), that's probably why the nav/bluetooth doesn't work.
Congrats.
Might seem expensive but I just paid 1800 bucks off of ebay for to convert my 08 non nav to nav. Got everything... dvd player, nav screen, small display, voice control buttons and a custom harness with directions. (actually didn't want to deal with pulling out airbag so opted for custom buttons near my VSA button instead of factory.)
I did my install this weekend... only took 8 hours with little brainpower needed. (mainly cause it was my first time to take apart console... I was a little gunshy) WAY WORTH THE EXTRA BUCKS TO HAVE NO HEADACHES!!!! AND I GET A 6 MONTH WARRANTY.
Martin helped me with all my questions during install. Only thing that doesnt work is my link from the nav to bluetooth. Nav works, bluetooth works but can't call up a nearest location and just hit call button. But oh well I can deal with that.
Martin's email is acurahondatech@comcast.net if anyone else wants his kits. I definately recommend.
I did my install this weekend... only took 8 hours with little brainpower needed. (mainly cause it was my first time to take apart console... I was a little gunshy) WAY WORTH THE EXTRA BUCKS TO HAVE NO HEADACHES!!!! AND I GET A 6 MONTH WARRANTY.
Martin helped me with all my questions during install. Only thing that doesnt work is my link from the nav to bluetooth. Nav works, bluetooth works but can't call up a nearest location and just hit call button. But oh well I can deal with that.
Martin's email is acurahondatech@comcast.net if anyone else wants his kits. I definately recommend.
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Where did you even find used harnesses?
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No the Nav Traffic is not on this one. I'm not up on all the different versions but I assume this is an 06 model disc. Its silver.
I was mainly just after the touchscreen and regular nav. I'm easy to please.
I did land 7 wires at the bluetooth model in ceiling by martins directions. I think that was his attempt at making it work. He said he will call me if he figures out why its not working.
Now my voice activation works great does that go through the bluetooth mic or is there another?
I was mainly just after the touchscreen and regular nav. I'm easy to please.
I did land 7 wires at the bluetooth model in ceiling by martins directions. I think that was his attempt at making it work. He said he will call me if he figures out why its not working.
Now my voice activation works great does that go through the bluetooth mic or is there another?
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No the Nav Traffic is not on this one. I'm not up on all the different versions but I assume this is an 06 model disc. Its silver.
I was mainly just after the touchscreen and regular nav. I'm easy to please.
I did land 7 wires at the bluetooth model in ceiling by martins directions. I think that was his attempt at making it work. He said he will call me if he figures out why its not working.
Now my voice activation works great does that go through the bluetooth mic or is there another?
I was mainly just after the touchscreen and regular nav. I'm easy to please.
I did land 7 wires at the bluetooth model in ceiling by martins directions. I think that was his attempt at making it work. He said he will call me if he figures out why its not working.
Now my voice activation works great does that go through the bluetooth mic or is there another?
Only one mic as far as I know. The 07/08 HFL adds phonebook importation.
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The reason why your navi/bluetooth is not working is probably because you do not have the 07/08 navi xm receiver. Bluetooth wires go from navi drive -> xm receiver -> HFL unit (in the roof). You probably have bluetooth wires from navi drive to HFL unit only.
No the Nav Traffic is not on this one. I'm not up on all the different versions but I assume this is an 06 model disc. Its silver.
I was mainly just after the touchscreen and regular nav. I'm easy to please.
I did land 7 wires at the bluetooth model in ceiling by martins directions. I think that was his attempt at making it work. He said he will call me if he figures out why its not working.
Now my voice activation works great does that go through the bluetooth mic or is there another?
I was mainly just after the touchscreen and regular nav. I'm easy to please.
I did land 7 wires at the bluetooth model in ceiling by martins directions. I think that was his attempt at making it work. He said he will call me if he figures out why its not working.
Now my voice activation works great does that go through the bluetooth mic or is there another?
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And I meant to say you are correct... my harness only connects to navi drive and bluetooth. I have already looked in my diagnostics before and it definately shows red for this leg of the diagram.
You think it would it be as easy as purchasing the xm navi and running a few more wires to get it in "series" with my drive to bluetooth?
You think it would it be as easy as purchasing the xm navi and running a few more wires to get it in "series" with my drive to bluetooth?
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please see my thread on upgrading the xm receiver: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-audio-bluetooth-electronics-navigation-94/success-upgraded-04-06-navi-07-08-navi-w-navtraffic-691376/
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Be careful ordering harnesses through car-part.com. It took me forever to find a roof harness and when it arrived, not only was it incomplete but it was from the wrong car! And many salvage yards do not deal with harnesses at all (it's not cost-effective for them to take apart an entire car to remove the harness because they span the entire car).
Salvagers are good for hardware units, like navi drives, stereos, etc. They generally suck at harnesses.
Salvagers are good for hardware units, like navi drives, stereos, etc. They generally suck at harnesses.
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Be careful ordering harnesses through car-part.com. It took me forever to find a roof harness and when it arrived, not only was it incomplete but it was from the wrong car! And many salvage yards do not deal with harnesses at all (it's not cost-effective for them to take apart an entire car to remove the harness because they span the entire car).
Salvagers are good for hardware units, like navi drives, stereos, etc. They generally suck at harnesses.
Salvagers are good for hardware units, like navi drives, stereos, etc. They generally suck at harnesses.
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Harness will be here today and the nav components came in last night so I'm starting the conversion as soon as fed-ex gets here. I will be posting my problems as the come. WISH ME LUCK and thanks again for all your help guys.
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The only thing that suck is the nav antenna won't be here till next week. DAMN
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The only thing that suck is the nav antenna won't be here till next week. DAMN
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Well I started stripping the harnesses at 3 pm and I finished about an hour ago. So it took me 8 1/2 hrs to get it ready for install. I only ran into a few headaches so far. ( thank god for jptl04 cause his thread and quick response saved me ) I had a problem removing the pins from the roof harness plug and I got frustrated and just cut em. So I had to go and remove pins from other plugs like it and sotter it together but the wires aren't the same colors. O well I figured it out. I have 2 wires to figure out tomorrow before install. I have a few pictures taken during night so I will post everything as soon as im finished.
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Post pics! And good job. I just started planning my harness building last night.
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this is the parts list from acura. i got it from another member here. goodluck with the install
2ea 90132-SV4-003 SCREW, ET (5X16) $1.50
3ea 91540-S0A-003 CLIP (96.9MM) $2.18
4ea 91601-SH3-013 GROMMET, SCREW (5MM) $1.86
4ea 93893-05008-07 SCREW-WASHER (5X8) $.50
4ea 93901-25280 SCREW, TAP (5X12) $.40
1ea 39710-SEP-A41 DISPLAY ASSY., INFORMATION CENTER $148.00
1ea 35890-SEP-A11 SWITCH ASSY., NAVIGATION GUIDE& HAND FREE TELEPHONE $26.03
1ea 39835-SEP-A41 ANTENNA ASSY., GPS $108.97
1ea 77350-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $8.67
1ea 77360-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $13.44
1ea 84601-SEP-A11ZA Trunk Liner $125.00
1ea 39051-SEP-A41ZA MODULE ASSY., DISPLAY $1585.07
1ea 39541-SEP-A40 BRACKET, NAVIGATOR ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT $10.10
1ea 39540-SEP-A41 DVD UNIT, NAVIGATOR $2550.30
The DVD drive may not include the navigation disc. If this is the case, you can pick up an older version on eBay (search for 'acura orange dvd') for about $50 .
3 wiring harnesses (optional, if you buy/make custom harnesses)
32117-SEP-A20 instrument $627.85
32140-SEP-A11 floor $560.30
32155-SEP-A11 roof $109.98
2ea 90132-SV4-003 SCREW, ET (5X16) $1.50
3ea 91540-S0A-003 CLIP (96.9MM) $2.18
4ea 91601-SH3-013 GROMMET, SCREW (5MM) $1.86
4ea 93893-05008-07 SCREW-WASHER (5X8) $.50
4ea 93901-25280 SCREW, TAP (5X12) $.40
1ea 39710-SEP-A41 DISPLAY ASSY., INFORMATION CENTER $148.00
1ea 35890-SEP-A11 SWITCH ASSY., NAVIGATION GUIDE& HAND FREE TELEPHONE $26.03
1ea 39835-SEP-A41 ANTENNA ASSY., GPS $108.97
1ea 77350-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $8.67
1ea 77360-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $13.44
1ea 84601-SEP-A11ZA Trunk Liner $125.00
1ea 39051-SEP-A41ZA MODULE ASSY., DISPLAY $1585.07
1ea 39541-SEP-A40 BRACKET, NAVIGATOR ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT $10.10
1ea 39540-SEP-A41 DVD UNIT, NAVIGATOR $2550.30
The DVD drive may not include the navigation disc. If this is the case, you can pick up an older version on eBay (search for 'acura orange dvd') for about $50 .
3 wiring harnesses (optional, if you buy/make custom harnesses)
32117-SEP-A20 instrument $627.85
32140-SEP-A11 floor $560.30
32155-SEP-A11 roof $109.98
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this is the parts list from acura. i got it from another member here. goodluck with the install
2ea 90132-SV4-003 SCREW, ET (5X16) $1.50
3ea 91540-S0A-003 CLIP (96.9MM) $2.18
4ea 91601-SH3-013 GROMMET, SCREW (5MM) $1.86
4ea 93893-05008-07 SCREW-WASHER (5X8) $.50
4ea 93901-25280 SCREW, TAP (5X12) $.40
1ea 39710-SEP-A41 DISPLAY ASSY., INFORMATION CENTER $148.00
1ea 35890-SEP-A11 SWITCH ASSY., NAVIGATION GUIDE& HAND FREE TELEPHONE $26.03
1ea 39835-SEP-A41 ANTENNA ASSY., GPS $108.97
1ea 77350-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $8.67
1ea 77360-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $13.44
1ea 84601-SEP-A11ZA Trunk Liner $125.00
1ea 39051-SEP-A41ZA MODULE ASSY., DISPLAY $1585.07
1ea 39541-SEP-A40 BRACKET, NAVIGATOR ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT $10.10
1ea 39540-SEP-A41 DVD UNIT, NAVIGATOR $2550.30
The DVD drive may not include the navigation disc. If this is the case, you can pick up an older version on eBay (search for 'acura orange dvd') for about $50 .
3 wiring harnesses (optional, if you buy/make custom harnesses)
32117-SEP-A20 instrument $627.85
32140-SEP-A11 floor $560.30
32155-SEP-A11 roof $109.98
2ea 90132-SV4-003 SCREW, ET (5X16) $1.50
3ea 91540-S0A-003 CLIP (96.9MM) $2.18
4ea 91601-SH3-013 GROMMET, SCREW (5MM) $1.86
4ea 93893-05008-07 SCREW-WASHER (5X8) $.50
4ea 93901-25280 SCREW, TAP (5X12) $.40
1ea 39710-SEP-A41 DISPLAY ASSY., INFORMATION CENTER $148.00
1ea 35890-SEP-A11 SWITCH ASSY., NAVIGATION GUIDE& HAND FREE TELEPHONE $26.03
1ea 39835-SEP-A41 ANTENNA ASSY., GPS $108.97
1ea 77350-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $8.67
1ea 77360-SEP-A00ZA CVR, Column NH $13.44
1ea 84601-SEP-A11ZA Trunk Liner $125.00
1ea 39051-SEP-A41ZA MODULE ASSY., DISPLAY $1585.07
1ea 39541-SEP-A40 BRACKET, NAVIGATOR ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT $10.10
1ea 39540-SEP-A41 DVD UNIT, NAVIGATOR $2550.30
The DVD drive may not include the navigation disc. If this is the case, you can pick up an older version on eBay (search for 'acura orange dvd') for about $50 .
3 wiring harnesses (optional, if you buy/make custom harnesses)
32117-SEP-A20 instrument $627.85
32140-SEP-A11 floor $560.30
32155-SEP-A11 roof $109.98
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What size wire did you use to make the harnesses? And what about avg length of the nav drive -> display harness. Assuming I'd run the needed navi "harness" the same way you have, along the passenger side.
Sorry for thread jack, we are just doing the same exact stuff.
What size wire did you use to make the harnesses? And what about avg length of the nav drive -> display harness. Assuming I'd run the needed navi "harness" the same way you have, along the passenger side.
Sorry for thread jack, we are just doing the same exact stuff.
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What size wire did you use to make the harnesses? And what about avg length of the nav drive -> display harness. Assuming I'd run the needed navi "harness" the same way you have, along the passenger side.
Sorry for thread jack, we are just doing the same exact stuff.
What size wire did you use to make the harnesses? And what about avg length of the nav drive -> display harness. Assuming I'd run the needed navi "harness" the same way you have, along the passenger side.
Sorry for thread jack, we are just doing the same exact stuff.
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22 gauge copper stranded wire. i forgot the length, just take some yarn run it from the center were the display is down the passenger side floor and to the trunk right corner where the dvd rom drive is measure it thats your length. cut one wire to length and run it exactly how its going to go under the covers behind the rear seat to the corner in the trunk. just to make sure of the length. it's better to be a little longer than too short.
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Any updates? I'm curious.
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So I have most of everything wired up and I tested today with the grey wire that does to the speed sensor (where ever that is ????)_ and the roof harness not hooked up. Everything was working but I have a wire crossed somewhere cause when I put my car in neutral the nav goes into day mode and when I put it in drive or reverse it goes into night mode. Also when I turn right on a street the nav thinks I turn left and it takes about 5 seconds to figure it out. Im guessing its the grey wire thats messed up on that but I have no idea where it connects too. jptl04 any suggestions . Oh and I smashed my camera in anger last night so bear with me with the photos.