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Old 08-24-2010, 06:21 PM
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1 12" or 2 10" ported box enclosure.

i'm looking to a have a custom sub trunk made. Trying to safe some space and make the trunk look clean. Which way is better? 2 10" or 1 12" in a custom ported enclouser.
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Originally Posted by eggyhustles
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Hi eggy. Since you live in the bronx do u know of any shop that would make a custom trunk box or do u make them. I might go with dc audio level 4 or a tc sound. Why would you choose sealed over ported box? I thought ported would you louder spread out bass
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I had to get my done online.

Here's the guy who did my box

http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/f...play.php?f=121

Ported is louder, but ported boxes are BIG

1000+ watts is gonna be loud regardless of what box it's in.
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Originally Posted by eggyhustles
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I had to get my done online.

Here's the guy who did my box

http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/f...play.php?f=121

Ported is louder, but ported boxes are BIG

1000+ watts is gonna be loud regardless of what box it's in.
did you asked him to build you a custom trunk box or was only a regular box made to spec? if it was a custom trunk box for your tl, can i see pic of it?
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Single 10 like the Alpine-R is more than enough for good clean bass and small enough to conceal in the truck without taking space. I bet a single 10 Alpine-R with Alpine mono amp 400rms is more than enough to make your trunk rattle. I ran a single Infinity 12 with Alpine mono amp 400rms in my last car and can never turn the sub higher than 50% as it would rattle my back window and mirrors to the point where they are useless.
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Single 10 like the Alpine-R is more than enough for good clean bass and small enough to conceal in the truck without taking space. I bet a single 10 Alpine-R with Alpine mono amp 400rms is more than enough to make your trunk rattle. I ran a single Infinity 12 with Alpine mono amp 400rms in my last car and can never turn the sub higher than 50% as it would rattle my back window and mirrors to the point where they are useless.
i have a type r 12" with a 450w rms alpine amp in a ported box. it does not sound clean, it sound very bad and is taking much space. i learn the hard way that to make a sub sound good, you need to have the proper sub box made to spec if is either sealed or ported. so this is what i'm looking for, having a box made to spec but blended in with the trunk.

something like this but with a single 12, the box made to spec, this is something like what i'm looking for,

http://cgi.ebay.com/04-08-ZEnclosure...efaultDomain_0
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Originally Posted by eduardmc
i have a type r 12" with a 450w rms alpine amp in a ported box. it does not sound clean, it sound very bad and is taking much space. i learn the hard way that to make a sub sound good, you need to have the proper sub box made to spec if is either sealed or ported. so this is what i'm looking for, having a box made to spec but blended in with the trunk.

something like this but with a single 12, the box made to spec, this is something like what i'm looking for,

http://cgi.ebay.com/04-08-ZEnclosure...efaultDomain_0
You can build that simple box yourself. If you're looking to prioritize your space saving then go with 1 = 12" sub. Make sure to have it built to spec. If you're looking to save space you're option is now limited so ported now is not really a choice for you since ported boxes are ussually bigger. Again remember you can get top of the line speakers but if they are not set in right box and not tuned right it will be just another cheap overpriced speaker from radio shack .
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Originally Posted by PowerCommander
You can build that simple box yourself. If you're looking to prioritize your space saving then go with 1 = 12" sub. Make sure to have it built to spec. If you're looking to save space you're option is now limited so ported now is not really a choice for you since ported boxes are ussually bigger. Again remember you can get top of the line speakers but if they are not set in right box and not tuned right it will be just another cheap overpriced speaker from radio shack .
you are so right, that is why my type r sounds like crap now. would you recommend just keeping the type r and getting a custom box made to spec and give at least 600rms. i want to save space but i also prefer having a ported box.

i cannot build my box since i have ZERO experience with wood cutting and don't have the tools.

Are this spec good for a type r 12 made to spec and tune to 32hz
http://cgi.ebay.com/12-ALPINE-TYPE-R...efaultDomain_0

i also see that adding a second type r on a made to spec porter only ad about 4 more inch all around to the box. i think it would be a better idea if i go the 2 sub route since 1 type r box in ported box take almost the same space.

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1 10" W7 in the correct ported box will blow most dual 12" setups away in both SQ and SPL.

It may, however take up nearly as much space as one 12" in a sealed encloure but chances are it would perform much better.

I learned the hard way when I first got my two 12" W6s in a sealed box with 1,200 watts. I listened to a co-worker's single 10" W7 1,000 watts ported and it blew mine away in every category. I was embarassed to say the least. I was amazed that it sounded so much better and I was amazed that it was sooooo much louder.
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1 10" W7 in the correct ported box will blow most dual 12" setups away in both SQ and SPL.

It may, however take up nearly as much space as one 12" in a sealed encloure but chances are it would perform much better.

I learned the hard way when I first got my two 12" W6s in a sealed box with 1,200 watts. I listened to a co-worker's single 10" W7 1,000 watts ported and it blew mine away in every category. I was embarassed to say the least. I was amazed that it sounded so much better and I was amazed that it was sooooo much louder.
Ported will always kill sealed in the spl department since you gain an automatic 3db

I believe the w7 is also more efficient than the w6.

I'd go 12 sealed in op's case

He'll benefit from more cone area and save space
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Originally Posted by eduardmc
you are so right, that is why my type r sounds like crap now. would you recommend just keeping the type r and getting a custom box made to spec and give at least 600rms. i want to save space but i also prefer having a ported box.

i cannot build my box since i have ZERO experience with wood cutting and don't have the tools.

Are this spec good for a type r 12 made to spec and tune to 32hz
http://cgi.ebay.com/12-ALPINE-TYPE-R...efaultDomain_0

i also see that adding a second type r on a made to spec porter only ad about 4 more inch all around to the box. i think it would be a better idea if i go the 2 sub route since 1 type r box in ported box take almost the same space.
that def isn't built to spec

look how tiny that port is

ports that small= suspect boxes

this is a legit ported box..ugly..but it got the job done till i got something that looked better

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Originally Posted by eggyhustles
that def isn't built to spec

look how tiny that port is

ports that small= suspect boxes

this is a legit ported box..ugly..but it got the job done till i got something that looked better

Holy hell batman!

eduardmc: Keep your type R's and put them in the right box and tune them right. Then decide if you need another sub later. It's all about enough rms power feed and tuning. It's not about how expensive the sub is ported or not ported box. Most tards around my neighborhood have all juice and no tune so that equates to ineffient juice suckers and a shitty boom boom all around the street Then you got these guys wastin' all that money on their "super rms eating subs" then they roll up to me at night at a stop light and all I see it lights dimming and rattles from hell. I've had some pull up and ask me what i'm running. hahahhaha All I have is 1 Rockford Fosgate Punch P3 P3D412 in a sealed box. Not saying my shit is the bomb but it's respected enough where I rip the hell out of 2 15's. My point is tuning, right box, proper juice otherwise it's just another expensive radio shack crap.
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or this 500 rms

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Originally Posted by eggyhustles
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This is good advice. Put FI Q, SSA Xcon, RE XXX or the like (there are many good subs to do this) in a 1-1.25 CuFt sealed box, according to spec, with 1000W, or so. You will likely be happy with the sub in any position (rear corner, front, etc.). This should likely sound great and is easy to get right.

If you need trunk room, this works great.
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Originally Posted by eggyhustles
that def isn't built to spec

look how tiny that port is

ports that small= suspect boxes

this is a legit ported box..ugly..but it got the job done till i got something that looked better

LOL, Are you serious? Ive built plenty of custom boxes for type R's at 2.00 to 2.75 cubes cubes and it was enough for the type R's to slam. Bigger isnt always better it just makes it more efficient generally. Woofer displacement all play a role with the size of the box etc.

here is a box i built for my 12w6v2 before i left Hi-Fi built to Jl's specs, the port isnt huge

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Originally Posted by Eiswritsat
LOL, Are you serious? Ive built plenty of custom boxes for type R's at 2.00 to 2.75 cubes cubes and it was enough for the type R's to slam. Bigger isnt always better it just makes it more efficient generally. Woofer displacement all play a role with the size of the box etc.

here is a box i built for my 12w6v2 before i left Hi-Fi built to Jl's specs, the port isnt huge
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look how tiny this port looks, though


you know how peaky a r would be in a box like that.

Your box looks a tad on the small size too considering jl's usually like bigger boxes.
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12w6v2 only calls for a 1.5@32hz by jl's specs and thats what was built... I could have built a 3 cube one note wonder but thats not needed in the application i was running in my car at the time. if you dont have the power then a larger box is good but if you have 1000+ watts why not so with a mid sized box with a low tune so you can retain the SQ and still drop the low notes accurately. A large Box and port doesnt always=better sound

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because building a smaller box with a tiny port makes it peaky

I've gotten flatter responses with jl's in bigger sealed boxes.

and the w7's? they love huge ported.

Same thing happened over at re with the xxx

They advertised that the sub only needed 2 cubes sealed

Then caraudiomag did a review and noted that the 12 needed 6 cubes sealed to get it flat and get any respectable output out of it.
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well i went with a 12" ported box 2cube (after sub placement) tune to 30hz. will be running this box with a tc sound LMR-12 and around 1200-1400 rms to it.

i wanted to save space but i also wanted the same or better bass like i had before. After all my research i had to give some trunk space to acomplish what i wanted. I remember my jaw dropping for 3 years everytime i heard my tc sound tc-9 single 12 sub. People Music was much enjoyable before at low volume you will still get a deep low clean bass.
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good choice

if u want a good box, hit up this guy

http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/f...play.php?f=121
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take it from a guy who had 2 12's in the back. do a single, high powered 12. 2 12's take up too much room in the back - whether it be 12's or 10's. a single 12 is your best bet. gl
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Originally Posted by eggyhustles
because building a smaller box with a tiny port makes it peaky

I've gotten flatter responses with jl's in bigger sealed boxes.

and the w7's? they love huge ported.

Same thing happened over at re with the xxx

They advertised that the sub only needed 2 cubes sealed

Then caraudiomag did a review and noted that the 12 needed 6 cubes sealed to get it flat and get any respectable output out of it.
That's not always true, it depends on the woofer, the application and the desired output or performance your looking for. Size of the enclosure relative to the woofer will greatly affect the performance of the system. If the enclosure is to small, the enclosure will be very difficult to tune due to the extra long vent requirements. In addition, no additional output will result due to the interaction of the enclosure, port and the woofer. If the enclosure is too large, the frequency response will have a dip before the tuned frequency of the enclosure. Also, the mechanical power handling of the woofer will suffer before above the tuned frequency response of the enclosure. This will result in a peaky frequency output with little mechanical power handling. Choosing the optimum enclosure volume will depend on the woofer, available power and desired frequency response performance.
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