quanTL

Just curious, cause my dad is looking at getting a car.

Don't want to buy new.

Here is my question.

To buy a demo?

Or buy pre-owned?

Your advice would be much appreciated.

Opt 1. Demo - Stadard Warranty - 05 TL with NAV and full skirt pkg, 13k km. Dealer - asking 39995 Canadian

Opt 2. Pre-owned with 7 yrs 160 km wrranty included - 04 TL with Navi Camel Int Wood Trim/Woodgrain Knob - 27k km - Dealer asking 36995 Canadian

Acuraluvr

iTrader: (2)

could you provide any equal american conversions for price and distance?

to answer your question, demo cars are usually great buys; uncle had a almost new Maxima with about 200 miles for 22,XXX

quanTL

Sorry, not sure about the conversion.

I heard demos aren't good, cause people drive the hell out of them.

sebounet2005

The demo is used sometimes by salesman, sometimes by customer for a long try or when they let their car for repair.

The brakes and tires would have to be changed well before you need to replace them if you drive your car normally. You really don't know if the car was damaged, it's often the case and they won't tell you.

You won't be sure of mileage also, dealers are well placed to know how to change mileage, it's the same for the pre owned car, 2 years and more and only 27000 km, it's possible but you need to chck.

Opt2 price is insane i'm sure the mark up is almost 6000 dollars.

SO i won't buy a demo, except if the difference is almost 15 % off the MSRP price .

quanTL

really?

i see 04 TLs with more mileage asking for 33-38K.

i think I can bring it down to about 33-34k before tax.

prices are damn high in Canada.

what would be reasonable for the pre-owned with 7yrs/160k acura plus warranty?

quanTL

check this out.

I'm serious about the pricing.

Click on the link below.

http://www.trader.ca/search/Results....ategory=&CAT=1

MR1

Problem? with the TL is that it has a high residual. The slightly used like you are looking at are very close to the price of new.Think I would bargin hard on a new 06.

quanTL

yeah, but for the 06, asking price with all the with the same options as the 04 I mentioned is $56,101.42 Out the door. (no discount) Quote from acura.ca website.
How much do you think they are willing to knock off?



AlbertaBritish ColumbiaManitobaNew BrunswickNewfoundlandNova ScotiaOntarioPrince Edward IslandQuebecSaskatchewanYukon

06 with Navi, with 7/yrs 160000km Acura plus Warranty

*MSRP: $44,800.00

Added Options: $563.77 includes below options.

All-Weather Floor Mats - Black $196.18 Interior Front Trim - Wood $150.49

Shift Knob - Woodgrain $217.10


Acura Plus Package: $2,243.00

Freight / PDI: $1,430.00

Taxable Total: $49,036.77

Fuel Tax: $75.00

Air Tax: $100.00

Provincial Tax: 8% $3,936.94

Federal Tax: 6% $2,952.71

Total: $56,101.42




*MSRP. See your Acura dealer for details.

quanTL

so...

04 with 28000km with navi/7yrs 160000km acura plus warranty = 37000 asking
with rust proofing, interior leather treatment (life time) and undercoating. out the door would be 42180.00 (without discount)

06 new with navi with 7 yrs 160000 km acura plus warranty = 56101.42 MRSP out the door (without discount) - without rust proofing, interior leather treatment (life time) and undercoating.

that's 13920.00 difference.

jeffie7

I highly doubt a dealer would change the mileage.

Everytime you take your car into smog test, or state inspection or when ever there's a title change. everything gets recorded for the DMV records.

If a dealer is ever caught changing the mileage on a car they're selling they would lose their business license and have major fines to pay.

to make an extra thousand on a sale.... it's not worth the risk.


Would I buy a used car? no doubt! even more so if they offer a nice warranty like they have for that 04 you listed.

subinf

Some demos are just driven by a sales manager, which isnt to say they arent beat on but its not the same as everyone having a go at the car. I dont have a problem with either.

sebounet2005

In Canada the fine to change the mileage is only 500 dollars and no more accusations. So it's worth the risk. A lot of people selling their car are doing it here in Province of Quebec, the cost is around 300 to 500 dollars to make it changed.
SUre a dealer shouldn't do that.

ANother point is the 7yrs / 160000 warranty, it cost almost nothing to a dealer, on this point you can deal it a lot, it's a high mark up option

DrEvil777

Demos have the crap beat out of them! I sold Honda during college for two years and the demos got hammered on. Only thing worse is to buy a former rental car!

And if you believe the dealership that the car was treated nicely, look into oceanfront property in Arizona or Canadian diamond mines!

Avoid the headaches and heartaches of a car that was not properly broken in and purchase elsewhere.

DiveforTL-s

Every demo I have seen has been beat in some manor. also, look at how much longer you will have a warrinty for less money with the used one. Hey, you also get a tape player in the '04!!!

VTECboy

?????

Are they getting rid of the tape player for '07 ?

quanTL

What do you guys think of the price for the use 04?

Asking 37000 before taxes. Tax here is 14%. = 42180.00

I know compared to our friends in the states, we canadians get raped on car purchases. But we have no choice.

**They are willing to do 40000 out the door. (well+ lic fee)

04 with 28000km with navi/7yrs 160000km acura plus warranty.
with rust proofing, interior leather treatment (life time) and undercoating.

What do you guys think? I checked out auto trader here and the price is the same everywhere, without the extended warranty and protection.

http://www.trader.ca/search/Results...category=&CAT=1

I went to a few difference dealers and the price is relative but without the warranty and protection. Some were asking even higher.

Your advice is much appreciated.

Gordon

I bought a certified pre-owned 06 TL auto w/Navi for $32K and it had 10K miles. I thought it was a pretty good deal. I also got 62 months bumper-to-bumper warranty, and 7yr 100,000 miles powertrain warranty which is longer that when buying it new. So far the car has been great and it is in new condition.

Hope this helps

quanTL

Thanks Gordon.

32k? is that out the door?

quanTL

Thanks Gordon.

32k? is that out the door? Taxes in?

bluenoise

I got my 04 TL a couple of years ago as a Certified Pre-Owned. It had 8000 miles on it when I got it. I chose that over new because the dealer was willing to deal more on it and I wanted the extended warranty.

subinf

You can also look at it this way. I beat the shit out of my car the first few months I owned it. I probably put it through more hell than anyone taking it for a test drive would. I wanted to see what it could do and did. I'd look into a demo in the future, you can save a ton of cash.

quanTL

i thought about demos, but they won't throw in the ext warranty and I was advised by one of the dealership lot boys not to get a demo, cause then drive the crap out of them.
the guy told me that, they use it as loaners for their "valued" "related customers", yet won't disclose that. all they will say is that it was "executive driven, and jsuted as demonstrators for new customers".

i mean coming from the horses mouth, now that is something i believe.

i guess i'll go for the used 04 used. the warranty is really attractive.
they called me today and after a nimi battle, they'll settle with 34000.00 warranty inclusive.

what do you think about this price? with tax, out the door would me 40000.00 + 100.00 for lic fee.

new is asking for 56.101.42 out the door w/ the ext warranty, but with out any discounts yet. Just the quote from acura.ca

such a headache.

some ppl say, its just money, you can always earn it back! lol

feedback please?

CL6

Trust me, buy a Certified Pre-owned. Don't go the route of a demo. You won't save that much money and those poor cars get the sh*t hammered out of them.

paradigm

my 05 had 7700 miles on it when i bought it as a CPO vehicle. the extra warranty they add to the CPO put the remaining warranty BEYOND what i would have received if i bought a brand new one. on top of that, i saved over $4k USD on it by letting someone else drive it for a few months. definitely get CPO rather than a demo.

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vtec 6300

I redlined an '06 TL Automatic demo when I was looking for an '06 TL at my local Acura dealership. My '06 TL has never seen redline...yet...until I break her in that is...

heehaaw

ok i have to respond to the canadian diamond mine comment. for your information canada has one of the largest reserves of diamonds in the world. de beers controls 99% of the diamond mines in northern canada. so even though i totally agree with your opinion of "demo" models, youre dead wrong about canadian diamonds google it, you'll see.

quanTL

i get so jealous when I hear our friends in the US can et a brand new 06 for less than 32k.

We settled for a Pre-owned because brand new here is close to 50k.

Too bad we can't import for cars from the US.

heehaaw

yeah no kidding. canada sucks as far as $ is concerned. we earn less money for the same work, we pay more tax, and things cost more. makes no f'ing sense. i seriously need to move to the states. a new honda s2000 in the usa is like $35,000. in canada its close to $60,000 with tax. total bullshit, especially since i live literally 15 minutes from the border.

Glenn Davis

My problem with a demo or any car that was used for Rental purposes, is that people will drive the car like it belongs to someone else (which it does). So that means the break-in period might mean absolutely nothing to the drivers.

I am very meticulous about the break-in of my vehicles. I demand maximum HP and MPG, as well as longevity, from my powertrain. The only way to acheive that is with a careful break-in period.

Most other aspects (wear,tear,paint,etc.) can be fixed. But an engine that has been "dogged" early in it's life definately suffers later on.

On the other hand, you run this same risk with any "used" vehicle. You just never know how it was treated.

I remember when my brother and I had matching EX V6 Coupes....
Mine was stronger and more fuel efficient. Maybe I was lucky, or maybe my proper break-in
helped. Either way, I like the piece of mind knowing that it was done right.

dmfgrf

I was looking at the '04 WDP last year at the local dealer. One had 44k w/ Nav and the other 14 w/o Nav. Only about a grand or so different. I chose the one w/o because I'm in sales and wanted fewer miles to start. The curb rash on the wheels was insane for that amount of miles. I have pics posted on my FS: 3G Wheels thread. I will drive a car for 100k miles and maybe have one curb surprise during that time. These wheel/tire combos on the TL are bad when you get the Bridge Tur's because there is no lip to protect the wheel. I've noticed the new Mich Pilot/MXM4 (whatever) have a substantial ring of rubber that protrude past the wheel.

My other prob with the one I bought is that I found out a couple of days later it was one of the service loaners. That would also explain the key marks in the lock hole in the driver handle and the all-season floor mats. The service loaners come w/o remote so they will have to add that. They also didn't want to neg much on the $ because it was 18mo old and hadn't sold it yet. I'm a little bitter about all of that and should have gone with my gut and gone out of town to get the 6sp w/ Nav I wanted. Now I'm going to have to eat a couple of grants to change over to an '06. Boo-hoo but I'll have what I want and it will be (and stay) perfect.

My point? Shop around. There has to be another Acura dealer w/in 100 mi or so that may have exactly what you want and more willing to negotiate. The locals think they have you. I almost drove 5 hrs to get the one I wanted and just might still! Don't settle for color, tranny, or Nav if you want it. Get what you want b/c the payment won't be much different.

Peace.

meburdick

My understanding about Honda's automatic transmissions is that the clutch packs for reverse and overdrive are on the same shaft inside. This means that any vehicle driven in the "snowbelt" states could be prone to problems if operated by someone that got it stuck, and tried to "rock" it out. Basically, anyone continually shifting back and forth between R and D to try and get the car un-stuck could do serious damage to the tranny.

For that reason, I'll never buy one used with an automatic. And, I baby mine that much more.

I don't know if this is reality still, but a former Honda mechanic told me that was how it used to be. So, please - no flames if I'm wrong (cuz that is a distinct possibility!).

DrEvil777

OK, I know all about the Canadian Diamond Mines, including the whole mess concerning CMKX and the SEC. I just wanted to poke some Canadians and start a little controversy. But NEVER BUY A DEMO! Go a buy a CPO instead.