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Old 09-22-2008, 10:44 PM
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Wowwww, this is some nice driving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXtl4M-ZyA

Wonder who it is?
Sure it hurts the tires but that's really nice control and it looks fun.
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The TL looks like it's adding at least 2 seconds per lap from excessive induced oversteer.
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The TL looks like it's adding at least 2 seconds per lap from excessive induced oversteer.
Haha, I'm sure he's just fooling around.
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Hahah I was gonna say, he wouldn't be making great numbers driving like that lol
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I can't see the video
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looks like fun......lol im suuuure the tires were done after this vid......i would love to do it hahaha
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Looks like fun and I would love to do the same...but just not in my own car :P but to me, it doesn't seem that great of driving, i have seen better videos of smoother FWD drifts on youtube(Non-pro).
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Meh. It looks like he's just using the e-brake to break loose the rear.
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That is horrible driving. Seriously.
His attempts to powerslide are ugly. He doesn't connect anything. He throws the ass end out for a second and when it gets grip back he just continues on. It's also useless for track setup.
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Originally Posted by geekybiker
Meh. It looks like he's just using the e-brake to break loose the rear.
Yup, not very impressed...
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it was good the first time he did it, but every other time it got pointless

ps. no e-brake is needed, if you guys ever drive your car hard enough into a corner vsa off.... thats what she does... trust me I have never done it on purpose but it does lol
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nice. but i wouldnt drive my baby like that.
Old 09-23-2008, 01:08 PM
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Drive it like you stole it
Old 09-23-2008, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
it was good the first time he did it, but every other time it got pointless

ps. no e-brake is needed, if you guys ever drive your car hard enough into a corner vsa off.... thats what she does... trust me I have never done it on purpose but it does lol
Yeah rear end flies out without vsa, can get scary sometimes lol.
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Pointless in FWD car. I am sure it was for bragging rights and props from his homies but yea he accomplished nothing other than being a spectacle. But hey thats the point of drifting so maybe its not all bad.

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Old 09-23-2008, 03:28 PM
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:shakehead looks more like he lost a bet...
Old 09-23-2008, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
ps. no e-brake is needed, if you guys ever drive your car hard enough into a corner vsa off.... thats what she does... trust me I have never done it on purpose but it does lol
I've done lurid power slides at 100mph. Just not in the TL.
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Drive it like you stole it
I hope they didnt drive my car like that when they stole it.. lol
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It's called powersliding (not drift) in FWD cars and hes doing it horribly.

Try this one:

[youtube]5Vac7QJB9gc[/youtube]
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Originally Posted by Crucifer
It's called powersliding (not drift) in FWD cars and hes doing it horribly.

Try this one:
I think you have that backwards. RWD cars oversteer on power. FWD cars understeer on power. You certainly can drift a FWD car, but powerslide? You'll generally end up in the grass.
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E-brake or a super sized rear sway bar.
Old 09-23-2008, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by geekybiker
I think you have that backwards. RWD cars oversteer on power. FWD cars understeer on power. You certainly can drift a FWD car, but powerslide? You'll generally end up in the grass.
in RWD you maintain full control of the vehicle because the rear wheels are planting the front wheels on the ground. On FWD all 4 wheels lose traction and you go into a slide. Increase/decrease in acceleration to recatch the pavement. Thus one is called drift and the other is called powersliding.

One you have control the other you do not. (Other being FWD)
Old 09-23-2008, 11:40 PM
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the TL is not meant for that....wtf
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Looks like horrible ass dragging to me. Props though for wacking them turns in a TL
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Originally Posted by Crucifer
in RWD you maintain full control of the vehicle because the rear wheels are planting the front wheels on the ground. On FWD all 4 wheels lose traction and you go into a slide. Increase/decrease in acceleration to recatch the pavement. Thus one is called drift and the other is called powersliding.

One you have control the other you do not. (Other being FWD)
You can drift a rwd car as well. All it is it a 4 wheel slide (unless you're talking about the sport of 'drifting' which is normally a powerslide) FWIW a RWD car does not 'plant' the front wheels on the ground any more than any other car does. It doesn't put additional strain on the front tires under acceleration however. Powerslide is the same thing as power on over steering. Which only a RWD, and possibly a AWD car will do. FWD cars will power on understeer unless they are severely oversteering already, and even then it just brings them to neutral. Thing to remember is that wheels providing forward thrust have less traction to contribute to corning. So the end that powers the car tends to slide at the limit under power. Normally oversteer in FWD cars is induced with trail braking, lift off throttle or something like the Scandinavian flick. So in short FWD cars can drift, but not powerslide properly.

The video you posted for example is clearly just a better executed handbrake turn though. You can see the rear tires smoke just before he enters the turn as he pulls the handbrake to get the rear end loose.
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Geez, you're all focusing on semantics on what maneuver he's doing... when it's really about how its poor abusive and worthless driving. They driver needs his keys taken away until he learns how to properly drive the car hard.
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Originally Posted by geekybiker
You can drift a rwd car as well. All it is it a 4 wheel slide (unless you're talking about the sport of 'drifting' which is normally a powerslide) FWIW a RWD car does not 'plant' the front wheels on the ground any more than any other car does. It doesn't put additional strain on the front tires under acceleration however. Powerslide is the same thing as power on over steering. Which only a RWD, and possibly a AWD car will do. FWD cars will power on understeer unless they are severely oversteering already, and even then it just brings them to neutral. Thing to remember is that wheels providing forward thrust have less traction to contribute to corning. So the end that powers the car tends to slide at the limit under power. Normally oversteer in FWD cars is induced with trail braking, lift off throttle or something like the Scandinavian flick. So in short FWD cars can drift, but not powerslide properly.

The video you posted for example is clearly just a better executed handbrake turn though. You can see the rear tires smoke just before he enters the turn as he pulls the handbrake to get the rear end loose.
100% agreed. It kills me every time someone talks about a FWD car powersliding or drifting.
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Originally Posted by jayunsplanet
Geez, you're all focusing on semantics on what maneuver he's doing... when it's really about how its poor abusive and worthless driving. They driver needs his keys taken away until he learns how to properly drive the car hard.
Perhaps, but not correcting that stuff on forums is how misuse of those terms spreads in the first place.
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I got reminded real quick I was driving a FWD car when racing a friend's IS350 around a course.

As I came to the first corner the front started pushing a little so I gave it a little throttle to rotate the tail. The car proceeded to take a straight line nearly to the curb. That was a big oops. It took a while to learn lifting throttle when entering a turn to get the rear to rotate a little. It's just not natural when you come from a lifetime of rwd cars.
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I'd say it's pretty nice considering he's driving a TL.
Those things are heavy.
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Originally Posted by stillhere153
it was good the first time he did it, but every other time it got pointless

ps. no e-brake is needed, if you guys ever drive your car hard enough into a corner vsa off.... thats what she does... trust me I have never done it on purpose but it does lol
I've yet to break my rear end loose...I took a corner at 50mph and it was locked in tight. Then again, i'm far from stock suspension wise. Then again, with the stock wheel setup I do feel a large loss in grip.
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try 80 mph - i did..... it wasnt worth the 8000 $ but luckly there is insurance.
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^WOW...what you did crash your car?
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Originally Posted by TLAdvanced
Yup, not very impressed...
+2 not impressed at ALL! The video crucifer put up show how to take a proper turn with a slide. That takes some practice and a good touch on the throttle. If he did that at each corner, I'd be impressed.
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And then when we sell our cars "Never abused all highway miles" ... LoL.
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