What Oil/Filter are you using?
#202
What is the best filter to use in Honda Engines? I've been using Mobil M1 filters in both my cars, but recently got advice from Terry about not using the M1 due to it being restrictive. I'd like to find the best filter for both cars since they use the same filter. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
#203
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Originally Posted by Gatorfan
There was a Consumer Reports article a few years back, where followed taxi cabs in New York. Obviously, continous stop and go traffic for 6 to 8 hours a day is very hard on an engine. In the report they had diifferent test groups with different oil change intervals. They did this test for a full year. Afterwards, they disassembled the changes to determine the amount of wear.
The conclusion was there was no measurable difference in the wear of engines with the oil changes at 3000 miles vs 7500 miles.
Based on this, I switched over to 7500.
Gatorfan
The conclusion was there was no measurable difference in the wear of engines with the oil changes at 3000 miles vs 7500 miles.
Based on this, I switched over to 7500.
Gatorfan
#204
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Originally Posted by SodaLuvr
Man,
That report wasn't very scientific. I dare you to take any top rated car the Toyota Camry that they top rate, and run ANY off the shelf oil at 6K drains and Fram filters for 60,000 miles, and I'll GUARANTEE you that it'll sludge up.
I'm not going to explain it any further, just read more about it here and pay special attention to Terry Dyson's comments:
Link
Michael
That report wasn't very scientific. I dare you to take any top rated car the Toyota Camry that they top rate, and run ANY off the shelf oil at 6K drains and Fram filters for 60,000 miles, and I'll GUARANTEE you that it'll sludge up.
I'm not going to explain it any further, just read more about it here and pay special attention to Terry Dyson's comments:
Link
Michael
#205
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Originally Posted by Road Rage
I have yet to see a RP analysis that looked very good - and the latest ones of their motorcycle oils looked dismal, with 2.5x the wear rate of dino oils. Me no like. I have always been skeptical of their ad copy, their history, and how the car mags suck up to them with absolutely anemic scientific discipline - the science of the UOA's that have been posted at BITOG do nothing to convince me that they are more walk than talk. My advice is to do your own research and decide for yourself, but as I have absolutely no association anymore with the oil indisutry, you may take my observations at face value.
#206
Just stopped by the Amsoil distributor today. Have an '04 TL I picked up with 29,183 miles and had the Acura dealer do a 30,000 mile service. Now at 30,250 and I'll change oil and tranny this weekend.
Amsoil XL-7500 5w20 oil
Amsoil EaO-20 oil filter
Amsoil ATF
I'm planning on 4 ATF drain/fills to get to 90% new fluid. From now on, I'll plan on new oil and filter at the MID recommendation and do the single, 3.2 quart drain fill ATF at the same time. Overkill? Maybe. I want to drive this car into the ground, though. I love it to death. Favorite car I've ever owne in my 50 years.
Amsoil XL-7500 5w20 oil
Amsoil EaO-20 oil filter
Amsoil ATF
I'm planning on 4 ATF drain/fills to get to 90% new fluid. From now on, I'll plan on new oil and filter at the MID recommendation and do the single, 3.2 quart drain fill ATF at the same time. Overkill? Maybe. I want to drive this car into the ground, though. I love it to death. Favorite car I've ever owne in my 50 years.
#207
Hate to advise you that 4 drains/fills will not result in 90% new fluid.
Here are the calculations;
According to my calculations, you will need to do over 4 drains & refills to reach Amsoil recommendation of 90%.
Every time you drain the transmission, you drain only 3.2quarts of the 7.4quarts it contains.
In percentage, you only drain 43.234% of the fluid for which you replenish with new fluid but at the same percentage
After the 1st Drain & Refill
3.2qts Synth (43.24%) & 4.2qts Honda (56.76%)
2nd Drain will flush another 3.2qts but only 43.243% of that (1.82qts) will be the Honda fluid concentration in the drain.
After the 2nd Drain & Refill
5.02qts Synth (67.84%) & 2.38qts Honda (32.16%)
After the 3rd Drain % Refill (Using the same calculations as the 2nd Drain)
6.05qts Synth (81.76%) & 1.35qts Honda (18.24%)
After the 4th Drain & Refill
6.63qts Synth (89.59%) & 0.77qt Honda (10.41%)
After the 5th Drain % Refill
6.96qts Synth (94.05%) & 0.44qt Honda (5.95%)
Best regards
frenchnew
Here are the calculations;
According to my calculations, you will need to do over 4 drains & refills to reach Amsoil recommendation of 90%.
Every time you drain the transmission, you drain only 3.2quarts of the 7.4quarts it contains.
In percentage, you only drain 43.234% of the fluid for which you replenish with new fluid but at the same percentage
After the 1st Drain & Refill
3.2qts Synth (43.24%) & 4.2qts Honda (56.76%)
2nd Drain will flush another 3.2qts but only 43.243% of that (1.82qts) will be the Honda fluid concentration in the drain.
After the 2nd Drain & Refill
5.02qts Synth (67.84%) & 2.38qts Honda (32.16%)
After the 3rd Drain % Refill (Using the same calculations as the 2nd Drain)
6.05qts Synth (81.76%) & 1.35qts Honda (18.24%)
After the 4th Drain & Refill
6.63qts Synth (89.59%) & 0.77qt Honda (10.41%)
After the 5th Drain % Refill
6.96qts Synth (94.05%) & 0.44qt Honda (5.95%)
Best regards
frenchnew
Originally Posted by JohnCollins
Just stopped by the Amsoil distributor today. Have an '04 TL I picked up with 29,183 miles and had the Acura dealer do a 30,000 mile service. Now at 30,250 and I'll change oil and tranny this weekend.
Amsoil XL-7500 5w20 oil
Amsoil EaO-20 oil filter
Amsoil ATF
I'm planning on 4 ATF drain/fills to get to 90% new fluid. From now on, I'll plan on new oil and filter at the MID recommendation and do the single, 3.2 quart drain fill ATF at the same time. Overkill? Maybe. I want to drive this car into the ground, though. I love it to death. Favorite car I've ever owne in my 50 years.
Amsoil XL-7500 5w20 oil
Amsoil EaO-20 oil filter
Amsoil ATF
I'm planning on 4 ATF drain/fills to get to 90% new fluid. From now on, I'll plan on new oil and filter at the MID recommendation and do the single, 3.2 quart drain fill ATF at the same time. Overkill? Maybe. I want to drive this car into the ground, though. I love it to death. Favorite car I've ever owne in my 50 years.
#208
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What a waste of ATF. Drain and fill once, then do it at a more frequent interval thereafter. (i.e. every other oil change) That way, you can actually put your ATF to "good use."
#209
OK, every other one, that does make more sense. I'm paranoid about tranny's due to having to get a new one earlier this year in a Chrysler 300M. I thought the first one should be more thorough, though? Because the Amsoil is supposed to handle heat better than the original fluid?
#210
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Originally Posted by JohnCollins
OK, every other one, that does make more sense. I'm paranoid about tranny's due to having to get a new one earlier this year in a Chrysler 300M. I thought the first one should be more thorough, though? Because the Amsoil is supposed to handle heat better than the original fluid?
It's a waste of fluid. There's no need to flush 12 quarts of fluid through your transmission. Use three quarts, drain it once, and remove around 40% of the old fluid. It doesn't make much sense to me to run an additional nine quarts of fluid through to dilute another 50% of old fluid. Get some use out of your fluid instead of wasting it.
#211
Gratis dictum
Michael.....Your suggestions make sense to me. I change oil and filter at 5000 mile intervals. I added 3 qts of tranny fluid at 20,000 miles and will do the same at 30,000 and 40,000 miles. I now have 25,000 miles on the car and will do an oil/filter change in a day or so.
#212
I appreciate that feedback, SodaLuvr, I thought changing more of the fluid would help extend tranny life, and the better heat-handling characteristics of the Amsoil ATF would be a significant boon. If that's not the case, then I won't waste good fluid.
Frenchnew, I just spotted your post. While technically correct, that much posting to point out the difference between 89.56% and 90% (rounded properly to the integer value, I might add)?? You need to get a life, my friend!
Of course, being in the financial biz, I did do my own spreadsheet calculation and I'm happy to report, you did, in fact do your math correctly. Good job! I'm a bit of a math egghead, myself. Keeps us out out trouble, eh?
John
Frenchnew, I just spotted your post. While technically correct, that much posting to point out the difference between 89.56% and 90% (rounded properly to the integer value, I might add)?? You need to get a life, my friend!
Of course, being in the financial biz, I did do my own spreadsheet calculation and I'm happy to report, you did, in fact do your math correctly. Good job! I'm a bit of a math egghead, myself. Keeps us out out trouble, eh?
John
#213
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Thread Starter
Just came to my mind: did your 42LE truly fail? I ask as the input and output sensors on that unit are nearly a given and will cause the transmission to go into limp mode.
#214
Sodaluvr, I'm not sure, frankly. I'm not mechanically minded enough to know. Fortunately, I purchased the extended warranty when I bought the car, and the dealer determined I needed a new tranny around February. I actually had been having problems with it losing fluid since I bought the car, but they were never able to isolate the cause.
I am getting my money out of that extended warranty, though. I blew the engine in late July, and they put in a rebuilt, which is also bad. Now they're trying to find another remanufactured engine, but I've been out of the car since July 21! It's a shame, I loved it when it ran. I think it's absolutely gorgeous, I love the lines (the newer, 300C looks ridiculous IMNSHO), the handling was fine for me (sport touring, I'm not really a sporty driver), the appointments were great. But I've just had a ton of problems with it.
I love the TL, though. Every bit as pretty as the 'M', and I'm growing to like the sportier handling. But now you know why I'm so paranoid about fluids and such. Luckily, they stopped making the 'M' after only 5 years, it was wildly popular, so it's in great demand as a used car. When they get it back to me, it will be an '03 with 82,000 on the body, but a relatively new tranny and brand new remanufactured engine, with 18,000 of transferable bumper-to-bumper warranty left on it. If I detail it well, I should do alright in a private sale.
I am getting my money out of that extended warranty, though. I blew the engine in late July, and they put in a rebuilt, which is also bad. Now they're trying to find another remanufactured engine, but I've been out of the car since July 21! It's a shame, I loved it when it ran. I think it's absolutely gorgeous, I love the lines (the newer, 300C looks ridiculous IMNSHO), the handling was fine for me (sport touring, I'm not really a sporty driver), the appointments were great. But I've just had a ton of problems with it.
I love the TL, though. Every bit as pretty as the 'M', and I'm growing to like the sportier handling. But now you know why I'm so paranoid about fluids and such. Luckily, they stopped making the 'M' after only 5 years, it was wildly popular, so it's in great demand as a used car. When they get it back to me, it will be an '03 with 82,000 on the body, but a relatively new tranny and brand new remanufactured engine, with 18,000 of transferable bumper-to-bumper warranty left on it. If I detail it well, I should do alright in a private sale.
#215
Originally Posted by SodaLuvr
Not to start another oil war (even though I LOVE them), please state:
1) Motor Oil you are currently using
2) Oil Filter that you are currently using
3) Your Interval
I know that there've been ones like this in the past, but I'd just like to see an update as to what people are using now.
Michael
1) Motor Oil you are currently using
2) Oil Filter that you are currently using
3) Your Interval
I know that there've been ones like this in the past, but I'd just like to see an update as to what people are using now.
Michael
#217
Originally Posted by SodaLuvr
What a waste of ATF. Drain and fill once, then do it at a more frequent interval thereafter. (i.e. every other oil change) That way, you can actually put your ATF to "good use."
1. Use Mobil 1 5w-20 Synthetic oil. (will go by MID which will most likely be at around 5K intervals)
2. Change transmission fluid every 20-25K miles. (60K sounds scary to me given I stay in the DC metro area - one of the top five in traffic congestion)
Does this sound like a good plan? You can PM me if you wish.
Thanks.
#219
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Originally Posted by jerzypapi3
I just went to Wal-Mart and got oil change and its gonna be every 15k.
Here is a great oil forum.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...t=0&Board=UBB1
If that link fails, try this (same forum although)
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/
#221
Originally Posted by TriniBwoy
From reading through this entire thread, you are definitely an oil expert. I have an 06 TL Auto w/ about 3400 miles and here's my plan for it,
1. Use Mobil 1 5w-20 Synthetic oil. (will go by MID which will most likely be at around 5K intervals)
2. Change transmission fluid every 20-25K miles. (60K sounds scary to me given I stay in the DC metro area - one of the top five in traffic congestion)
Does this sound like a good plan? You can PM me if you wish.
Thanks.
1. Use Mobil 1 5w-20 Synthetic oil. (will go by MID which will most likely be at around 5K intervals)
2. Change transmission fluid every 20-25K miles. (60K sounds scary to me given I stay in the DC metro area - one of the top five in traffic congestion)
Does this sound like a good plan? You can PM me if you wish.
Thanks.
you sound sensible in this...
especially on the trans fluid....20-25K is VERY reasonable and VERY smart...
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