Vtec vs i-Vtec
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Here's the technical babble from Honda:
4-Cylinder i-VTEC
Ushering in a new era of performance technology, Honda's original VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) has been elevated to a new plateau with the introduction of i-VTEC. This "intelligent" form of the highly effective VTEC package adds a new element to the mix in the form of VTC (Variable Timing Control), which provides for continuously variable phasing of the intake camshaft.
The formidable pairing of VTEC and VTC results in several major improvements to drivability, including more horsepower and torque at lower rpm levels, enhanced fuel economy and significantly lower emissions.
The VTEC system on the new 2.4-liter DOHC four employs two rocker arms with friction-reducing roller followers for each pair of intake valves, along with an intake cam that has separate lobes configured to optimize both low- and high-speed operation. Depending on engine load and rpm, an electronic controller determines which cam profile will be used and exactly how each intake will operate.
At low revs, where low lift and shorter duration provide optimal operation, the timing of the two intakes is staggered and the lift asymmetrically skewed in favor of the primary valve. This helps to create a swirl effect within the combustion chamber that increases the efficiency of the burn process. At higher rpm, a hydraulically actuated spool valve causes a locking pin to engage the secondary rocker arm with the primary one, transitioning the secondary valve into a high-lift/long-duration mode that improves output on the top end.
VTC allows the timing of the intake camshaft to be continuously varied throughout the engine's entire rpm range. Along with helping boost power, VTC also provides a more stable idle (allowing idle speed to be reduced) and reduced pumping losses by effectively creating an internal EGR effect at low and mid engine speeds. The result is increased fuel economy and lowered NOx emissions. Operation of the VTC is electronically controlled and is determined by input from sensors that monitor rpm, timing, throttle opening, cam position and exhaust gases.
Depending on conditions, VTC can vary the phasing of the intake cam (change its position relative to the crankshaft) by +/- 25 degrees. VTC activation is accomplished hydraulically via a spool valve that sends high-pressure oil to passages in the cam's drive sprocket.
At idle, the timing is almost fully retarded to minimize valve overlap. In normal highway driving, the intake camshaft is advanced to provide overlap for EGR effect. With the throttle wide open, valve timing starts in an advanced condition at lower RPM and continuously changes to a retarded condition when redline is approached. This allows optimum cylinder scavenging and pumping efficiency and provides outstanding power and torque throughout the rpm range.
Ushering in a new era of performance technology, Honda's original VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control) has been elevated to a new plateau with the introduction of i-VTEC. This "intelligent" form of the highly effective VTEC package adds a new element to the mix in the form of VTC (Variable Timing Control), which provides for continuously variable phasing of the intake camshaft.
The formidable pairing of VTEC and VTC results in several major improvements to drivability, including more horsepower and torque at lower rpm levels, enhanced fuel economy and significantly lower emissions.
The VTEC system on the new 2.4-liter DOHC four employs two rocker arms with friction-reducing roller followers for each pair of intake valves, along with an intake cam that has separate lobes configured to optimize both low- and high-speed operation. Depending on engine load and rpm, an electronic controller determines which cam profile will be used and exactly how each intake will operate.
At low revs, where low lift and shorter duration provide optimal operation, the timing of the two intakes is staggered and the lift asymmetrically skewed in favor of the primary valve. This helps to create a swirl effect within the combustion chamber that increases the efficiency of the burn process. At higher rpm, a hydraulically actuated spool valve causes a locking pin to engage the secondary rocker arm with the primary one, transitioning the secondary valve into a high-lift/long-duration mode that improves output on the top end.
VTC allows the timing of the intake camshaft to be continuously varied throughout the engine's entire rpm range. Along with helping boost power, VTC also provides a more stable idle (allowing idle speed to be reduced) and reduced pumping losses by effectively creating an internal EGR effect at low and mid engine speeds. The result is increased fuel economy and lowered NOx emissions. Operation of the VTC is electronically controlled and is determined by input from sensors that monitor rpm, timing, throttle opening, cam position and exhaust gases.
Depending on conditions, VTC can vary the phasing of the intake cam (change its position relative to the crankshaft) by +/- 25 degrees. VTC activation is accomplished hydraulically via a spool valve that sends high-pressure oil to passages in the cam's drive sprocket.
At idle, the timing is almost fully retarded to minimize valve overlap. In normal highway driving, the intake camshaft is advanced to provide overlap for EGR effect. With the throttle wide open, valve timing starts in an advanced condition at lower RPM and continuously changes to a retarded condition when redline is approached. This allows optimum cylinder scavenging and pumping efficiency and provides outstanding power and torque throughout the rpm range.
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I wouldn't be able to explain it...
All I know is that Vtec Kicks in at a preset RPM I think 4800 or around there for our 3rd Gen TL.
While the i-Vtec kicks in whenever you actually need it (depending on how much you press the accelerator in) it wont wait for you to reach a particular rpm hence the "i" stands for intelligent.
The RSX's have them and so does the new civic si
I might be wrong.....
All I know is that Vtec Kicks in at a preset RPM I think 4800 or around there for our 3rd Gen TL.
While the i-Vtec kicks in whenever you actually need it (depending on how much you press the accelerator in) it wont wait for you to reach a particular rpm hence the "i" stands for intelligent.
The RSX's have them and so does the new civic si
I might be wrong.....
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Originally Posted by Nandito28
Anybody ever wonder why the 3rd Gen TL didn't get the the i-Vtec engine?
Probably has something to do with the Accord???
Just a thought!
Probably has something to do with the Accord???
Just a thought!
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Originally Posted by Nandito28
sorry, what does AFAIK and J32A3 mean?
J32A3 is the engine designation for the the 04-06 Acura TL.
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i-VTEC, when speaking about Honda's 4-cylinder engines, means the addition of Variable Timing Control (VTC - the ability to adjust the phasing of the intake cam) to VTEC. In short, for a 4-cylinder, VTEC + VTC = i-VTEC.
In their 6-cylinder models, i-VTEC means the addition of Variable Cylinder Management (VCM). For 6-cylinders, VTEC + VCM = i-VTEC.
I don't know why they chose to give them both the same name when their functions and purposes are completely different.
In their 6-cylinder models, i-VTEC means the addition of Variable Cylinder Management (VCM). For 6-cylinders, VTEC + VCM = i-VTEC.
I don't know why they chose to give them both the same name when their functions and purposes are completely different.
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Originally Posted by Nandito28
I'm officially lost...
I was just wondering why they didn't give the 3rd gen an i VTEC engine...would made more sence to me.
I was just wondering why they didn't give the 3rd gen an i VTEC engine...would made more sence to me.
If you're referring to the iVTEC arrangement in 4 cylinder motors (i.e.: cam phasing on the K20A2 and K24A) then it would have to do with the setup of the heads (DOHC vs SOHC). So far, only the Honda C30/C32 motor (NSX) has a DOHC V6 setup with the J-series being SOHC only.
If you're referring to the also forementioned iVTEC of the V6 motors then,
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i think his question is still unanswered, lol. from wat i know, vtec is just a cam switch that occurs at a certain rpm to enable more gas and air into the engine. i-vtec actaully the "phasing" of the intake lobes. in other words, the I in ivtec change the interval in which the intake valves open and close.. make sure u dont get this with vtec which only controls the lift (how big of an opening there is in the cylinder) and duration(how long the lift occurs). i-vtec can control (WHEN the intake valve lifts in relation the the exhaust valve) can give more power to a smaller peppy engine.
any why i ivtec is not in v6 engines... many reasons 1. i vtec requires a chain and gears(to control the timing of the intake and exhasut valves) which requires more space that the engine bay does not have 2. its more money to any already expensive v6 engine, 3. the v6 doesnt really need it, i vitec is done to increase torque in throughout the rpm range(the tl engines produce max toruq from 2000-4000rpm already). lastly, i vtec would prob do more harm by draggin the engine if the engine does not spin as fast as a tsx/rsx 4 banger.
p.s. hope u understood what im sayin... all in all, honda knows what they r doin
any why i ivtec is not in v6 engines... many reasons 1. i vtec requires a chain and gears(to control the timing of the intake and exhasut valves) which requires more space that the engine bay does not have 2. its more money to any already expensive v6 engine, 3. the v6 doesnt really need it, i vitec is done to increase torque in throughout the rpm range(the tl engines produce max toruq from 2000-4000rpm already). lastly, i vtec would prob do more harm by draggin the engine if the engine does not spin as fast as a tsx/rsx 4 banger.
p.s. hope u understood what im sayin... all in all, honda knows what they r doin
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wow did u guys take in a word that i said... the tl's v6 produce its peak torque at 2000-4000 rpm already, if i-vtec were to be slapped on then it would probably ruin the torque range becuase anything that is artificially made to enhance torque is never as good as torque produced by the nature of the engine.
p.s. i for "intelligent" may scratch the surface of wat I-vtec is, but it is just merely said to increase sales and make the system pleaseing to the public
p.s. i for "intelligent" may scratch the surface of wat I-vtec is, but it is just merely said to increase sales and make the system pleaseing to the public
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Originally Posted by Actuary
I wonder why honda dont make DOHC i-vtec J32 or J35..... that would put TL on top of horse game again. Infiniti can do it without more money.
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EDIT: if it had this component.
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i would just like to add... i believe the INSPIRE Accords in Japan have a V6 iVTEC engine. So its not just in the Oddessy.
Now the REAL question is... we kno that Japan has built an SH-AWD Accord, so why aren't they producing it for the public? That would supposidly complete the whole package, iVTEC V6 w/ SH-AWD
Now the REAL question is... we kno that Japan has built an SH-AWD Accord, so why aren't they producing it for the public? That would supposidly complete the whole package, iVTEC V6 w/ SH-AWD
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it's me, Alan Rickman.
Sorry.. that's for i-VTEC I
This is just i-VTEC: http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/200...05a/index.html
This is just i-VTEC: http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/200...05a/index.html
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Originally Posted by TL007
if the engine had a dual over head engine. it would have been considered the nsx motor in the tl.
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