TL versus Eclipse GT
#1
TL versus Eclipse GT
I was on my way home last night with my wife , brother and sister in law in the car when an Eclipse Gt pulled up to me. I knew what time it was so I switched the tranny in manual and away we went. From the line this car took off. From a rolling start this car took off. It seemed as if there was no way to beat this guy. Yes I am ashamed to admit but I GOT CREAMED. We pulled into a gas station because my wife had to use the bathroom, I guess I scared the pi-- out of her. He stop also so we could talk. I asked what he had under the hood and he told me it was all stock. This car was possibly an 04 model stick shift 3.0liter with no one else riding with him but I just can't believe he was faster. Can anyone shed some light on this please. Was it me or is our stock engine just not good enough to compete against a stock eclipse GT?
#4
Racer
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Streamwood, IL
Age: 54
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by gsmith6915
number 2
Number 1 would be a different story against an auto TL.
#5
.
#6
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Age: 54
Posts: 278
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The new eclipse is friggin fast. I test drove one before I bought my TL and there was no contest. The other nice thing is the eclipse allows you to tiptronic shift to 1st. I hate that the TL does not. That being said, the TL beats the GT in every other way you can imagine. The GT has no Nav, Buetooth, or about 100 other things that the TL does. Needless to say, I bought the TL and did not look back.
Trending Topics
#9
~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you in a 3rd gen TL?? Either way it doesn't matter, if it was number 2 he's modded, and was just lying, I've beaten those auto/manual GT's before with no problem. Don't be ashamed it happens.
#10
05 C230K & 09 135i 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: GA
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You DID have 3 people in your car, and the TL already has a weight disadvantage. My TL is significantly slower with 2 passengers.
With just me I've toasted MANY of those number 2 Eclipses... and I have a stock TL-P.
With just me I've toasted MANY of those number 2 Eclipses... and I have a stock TL-P.
#11
Advanced
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Age: 65
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I traded in a #2 for a new TL just 4 weeks ago. No way on earth is the TL slower. The TL should be at least 0.7 seconds faster 0-60. It was the weight of all those people that killed you.
#12
Originally Posted by TBnDFW
I traded in a #2 for a new TL just 4 weeks ago. No way on earth is the TL slower. The TL should be at least 0.7 seconds faster 0-60. It was the weight of all those people that killed you.
I had an 01 Eclipse GT, 4AT Sportronic, and ran against my brother's 03 TL-S on a few occasions. I could keep up in the first gear, but come second... well, it was embarassing.
I can see a 5spd w/ a few mods keeping up with a stock TL-S, though. There are some S/C'd GT's running around, too... which could take on a TL-S without too much problem.
#13
05 C230K & 09 135i 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: GA
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
NDX, your avatar is hilarious.
I've never raced the older Eclipses from a standstill, only from like 40mph a couple of times, and they didn't have much of a chance. I'm assuming they were stock with no mods.
I've never raced the older Eclipses from a standstill, only from like 40mph a couple of times, and they didn't have much of a chance. I'm assuming they were stock with no mods.
#14
Moderator Alumnus
my friend has a 2002 eclipse gt 5mt with intake headers and exhaust, i beat him with my 2001 TL w/ i/h/e/p. he got me off the jump but around the top of econd gear i passed him
#15
Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
NDX, your avatar is hilarious.
I've never raced the older Eclipses from a standstill, only from like 40mph a couple of times, and they didn't have much of a chance. I'm assuming they were stock with no mods.
I've never raced the older Eclipses from a standstill, only from like 40mph a couple of times, and they didn't have much of a chance. I'm assuming they were stock with no mods.
Anyway, the 1st gear (in the 4AT) went up to 40, so it makes sense that it didn't have a chance at 40+ MPH. The only speed the Eclipse GT will do better is when starting at about 10, 20 MPH, where it can be downshifted into 1st whereas the TL (5AT) would be in 2nd.
#16
Racer
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Chicago,IL
Age: 35
Posts: 307
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by gsmith6915
I was on my way home last night with my wife , brother and sister in law in the car when an Eclipse Gt pulled up to me. I knew what time it was so I switched the tranny in manual and away we went. From the line this car took off. From a rolling start this car took off. It seemed as if there was no way to beat this guy. Yes I am ashamed to admit but I GOT CREAMED. We pulled into a gas station because my wife had to use the bathroom, I guess I scared the pi-- out of her. He stop also so we could talk. I asked what he had under the hood and he told me it was all stock. This car was possibly an 04 model stick shift 3.0liter with no one else riding with him but I just can't believe he was faster. Can anyone shed some light on this please. Was it me or is our stock engine just not good enough to compete against a stock eclipse GT?
The reason you lost is you had four people in the car and he had one. It is common sense that he would have beaten you. If you were alone I think there is no question you would have killed him
#17
05 C230K & 09 135i 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: GA
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by ndx2
Yeah, I thought it was a good find.
Anyway, the 1st gear (in the 4AT) went up to 40, so it makes sense that it didn't have a chance at 40+ MPH. The only speed the Eclipse GT will do better is when starting at about 10, 20 MPH, where it can be downshifted into 1st whereas the TL (5AT) would be in 2nd.
Anyway, the 1st gear (in the 4AT) went up to 40, so it makes sense that it didn't have a chance at 40+ MPH. The only speed the Eclipse GT will do better is when starting at about 10, 20 MPH, where it can be downshifted into 1st whereas the TL (5AT) would be in 2nd.
#18
Instructor
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: ann arbor/new york city
Age: 39
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
Stomp the throttle in my TL-P at 10-30mph and it will downshift to 1st, or I can hold gateshift. I don't think an Eclipse GT stock has much of a chance against even a TL-P like mine.
#22
ChairmanMaoSaysRTFM
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Dutchess County, NY
Age: 44
Posts: 1,857
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes
on
3 Posts
Originally Posted by yohan81718
3.8 liter though... vs 3.2 liter TL
SSTS
#23
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by SatinSilverTypS
yeah. sucks for them on gas i bet. my friend and i were talking about this the other day. everybody thinks honda should make a V8, and as much as it would be nice they don't have to really. they're making more power out of smaller engines compared to their competitors. considering how many advancements honda has made on the 6 cylinder when they finally get to the V8s they'll be monsters.
SSTS
SSTS
#24
ChairmanMaoSaysRTFM
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Dutchess County, NY
Age: 44
Posts: 1,857
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes
on
3 Posts
i was spending some time on a rival acura site around 3am this morning (due to be called in to work the graveyard shift last night) and they were claiming that there are information leaks all over that honda is allready well under development of a V8. supposedly this all stemmed from the mugen V8 that was developed for the mugen tuned RL (if you guys haven't seen it google it. a friggin 590hp thing of beauty).
now of course these are just rumors, but it's worth looking into i guess.
SSTS
now of course these are just rumors, but it's worth looking into i guess.
SSTS
#25
Intermediate
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Florida
Age: 45
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
actually from what i heard, is that Honda teamed up with GM to produce a V8 for the Ridgeline. Ever since their team up on the RL (OnStar) they have been working hand and hand with several projects.
#27
WDP Is Faster
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Bay Area, CA
Age: 37
Posts: 842
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by montyburnz
Is a TL-S or 3G TL faster? Both stock.
#28
05 C230K & 09 135i 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: GA
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Actually, I've heard that the TL-S is faster than the 3G 5AT TL. This is substantiated by the torque figures:
2002 TL-S: 232@3500
2004 TL: 238@5000
Plus a little more weight on the new ones.
2002 TL-S: 232@3500
2004 TL: 238@5000
Plus a little more weight on the new ones.
#29
Instructor
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northern NJ
Age: 42
Posts: 107
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
Actually, I've heard that the TL-S is faster than the 3G 5AT TL. This is substantiated by the torque figures:
2002 TL-S: 232@3500
2004 TL: 238@5000
Plus a little more weight on the new ones.
2002 TL-S: 232@3500
2004 TL: 238@5000
Plus a little more weight on the new ones.
Really?? Aren't the 3rd gen At's putting out better number at the strip?
#30
05 C230K & 09 135i 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: GA
Posts: 3,732
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I haven't seen any numbers specifically. Just sporadic commentary from former TL-S owners that now own 3G TL 5ATs. Most I've read said the new one didn't have as urgent acceleration as the TL-S did. Could be the DBW system combined with the not-as-great low-end torque.
#31
Intermediate
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Florida
Age: 45
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
I've never heard of that.
well that's not something Honda is bragging about, but think about it.. A Honda with an Onstar...? GM with a Nav. that actually works...?
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
D-Rob
1G RDX Performance Parts & Modifications
62
01-05-2016 11:44 AM
IIDXholic
Car Parts for Sale
23
10-08-2015 07:53 AM