I hate cars

LOL. Lots of sarcasm in that one, I hope... The 5AT still sucks on the top end. Maybe the bottom and midrange too...

Off topic, we took out a poorly driven C5 Vette in the IS350 the other day. He was catching up but when we let off at 90mph he as a solid length back.

Manual Transmission

It's not that simple.. The long wheelbase on the G35/G37 with its stiff suspension isn't doing any favors. It's doing worse. You will see that when you put the car in action the rear end of the car will swing like crazy. It will spend more time drifting than actually getting some grip in the turns. You lose lap time this way. That's why the G35 gets shitty times in the road course tracks.


That is the reason why I didn't go with the G35 nor G37. They are lame cars. These cars are not good for road course track racing. The only thing this maybe good at is the highway cruising. That's it.

I hate cars

So you're saying it has a tendency toward oversteer? I honestly have no experience in the G35. I agree that too stiff of a rear suspension will make it tail happy and slower around a course. That's why I've been preaching against the huge rear sways on the TL. Mine is balanced very nicely with just a set of Konis. It will oversteer as is, why add a bigger rear sway bar and make it more tail happy...

Manual Transmission

I'll post this again since we are on page 2.


IS350 Data

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/...3car_dp.pdf.pdf


Weight: 3615 lbs
Wheelbase: 107.5 in (much shorter than the G35 & G37)

Note* Temperature at 90F.
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
0-100 mph: 12.7 sec
Quarter mile: 13.5 sec @ 103.1 mph
Lateral G (200-ft skidpad): 0.84g
700-ft slalom: 66.7 mph (faster than the G35)





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G37 Data

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...5i_vs_G37S.pdf



Cool ass temperature
Weight: 3750 lbs
Wheelbase: 112.2 in (long as f#@k)

0-60 mph: 5.5 sec
0-100 mph: 13.5 sec
Quarter mile: 14.1 sec @ 102 mph
Lateral G (200-ft skidpad): 0.86g
700-ft slalom: 67.1 mph




G35 Data


Cool ass temperature
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...5i_vs_G37S.pdf

Weight: 3615 lbs
Wheelbase: 112.2 in (long as f#@k)

0-60 mph: 5.4 sec (faster than G37)
0-100 mph: 13.5 sec
Quarter mile: 13.9 sec @ 101.8 mph
Lateral G (200-ft skidpad): 0.88g
700-ft slalom: 65.5 mph




13.4 sec quarter mile my @$$..... full of lies, Dave_B. I was right, the G37 is slightly slower in the 0-60 and considerably slower in the quarter mile than the G35. What a shame. No surprise as I knew what the outcomes would've been.



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Manual Transmission

Like the topic said, TL Type-S 6MT > IS350 > G35 > G37


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anx1300c

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Was the C5 automatic? My buddy had a '98. I drove it a few times and the 0-70 wasn't that impressive, but 70-150 was decent. I remember his Father saying he saw several automatics at the track, barely in the 13's.

anx1300c

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If I look at a 1st Gen G35 sedan from certain angles, I see a markedly long wheelbase. And what is up with Nissan/Infinity doing the PRONOUNCED fender lip these days? Not a good look, IMO. I saw a newer G35 at the gym today and it really didn't look much different than an Altima.

nova_G

oh man oh man. back at it again ehh Manual Transmission? lol this guy keeps going and going, ill call you the energizer bunny from now on. Dave_B im sure you've noticed it by now, talking to him is completely pointless. too much bias in his blood to consider facts and experience and on top of that his crazy numbers he comes up with. i think people should just let him be, ignore him, and he will realize things through experience since it seems like he lacks A LOT. he just likes to get people worked up and i would not be surprised if a MOD closed this thread up soon too.

note: this is not a personal attack on you. simply explaining to Dave_B and other members some things i have noticed about you and your posts.

back on topic, i would love to see another test against the three cars. since there are lots of people who think each one is better than the other. it would be interesting. and honestly i could care less who won what because in reality, when will you ever have a chance to do the same or even have HALF the skill tsuchiya has? iforyou where can i watch BM Videos!!!! hook it up! haha

ps. the lexus is350 is the king... it really is from a dig, roll, track, its just the best its the king! have a good day!

iforyou

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lol come on Dave Keiichi doesn't, or didn't just work for Honda

R35 vs RE Amemiya's FD..I think that would be a video from the Hot Version series, Best Motoring most of the time only show stock, factory cars, and I just watched the July version a few days ago

Dave_B

Apparently you can't read and you're a borderline moron because I have to repeat myself for the 3rd time in this thread. The 2nd gen G35 SEDAN weighs in 3500-3550lb range. The G37 COUPE weighs in around 3750-3800lbs. The 35 in G35 designates engine displacement. The G37 sedan will come with the new VQ37HR, hence G37. The VQ37HR weighs 10lbs more than the VQ35HR. A G37 sedan will weigh ~250lbs less than a comparably equipped G37 coupe. 250lbs is a crap load of weight. In the August 2008 issue of Car & Driver (pages 94-99), their long term tester G35 6MT ran a 13.7@104mph. In the right hands and in decent air, the G37 sedan will be fully capable of 13.4-13.5s. On a set of 26" slicks? 13.1-13.2. No problem what so ever. STOCK. The mags will most likely see consistent 13.6-13.7s out of these cars. Just like most any other car, there will always be those that can out perform mag numbers. Usually people will better published numbers by .2 to .3 seconds. The mags say my G is good for solid 14.6s. I did 14.3s stock in sea level air.

BTW, where are those slips. Talks cheap.

Dave_B

Do you think my friend's 08 6MT G looks like an Altima? Here it is at the Heartland Park Topeka road course tearing it up. The car is riding on H&Rs and G37 19s. It doesn't suffer from this oversteer problem that Manual keeps alluding to either. This car has done 13.82@102mph stock in 80 degree air.

I hate cars

Dave- Since you obviously race your car, how is the handling balance stock? The factory usually won't set a car up to oversteer in steady state cornering so I'm wondering what your input is.

I can add that the stock TL will understeer but it's surprisingly easy to get the tail out. So easy that I'm not going to put the big sway bar on the back. If I ever go any farther than Konis, I will stiffen all 4 corners equally to keep the balance but I doubt that will ever happen.

When I raced my friend's IS350, he was very frustrated at the understeer. I was able to drive at 7/10s and stay right on him. He eventually got really pissed and it looked more like a drift contest toward the end. I think this car might put up good numbers with a little more roll stiffness in the rear.

Dave_B

I can't speak for the 2nd gen Gs, but I do know they come with staggered wheels, like the 350Z or G coupe, to overcome snap oversteer.

With my G, it came with the Sports package which includes stiffer springs, struts, and different style rims (17X7 5 spokes). G sedans equipped the non-sport package can be identifed by the 7 spoke rims (17X7s too) and those suspensions ride very softly, too softly IMO. With the sport package, the buyer had the option of getting summer rated Goodyear rubber or crap RSAs. My used G came with RSAs. They were awful and the car was quite tail happy with the VDC off. Admittedly it was very fun, but not the fastest way around a turn. Shortly after buying the car, I installed 350Z springs up front and coupe springs out back effectively dropping the car 1". Handling improved mostly in terms of roll and chassis response. I upgraded to Avon M550s which are ultra high performance all season tires. They were far better than the RSAs and offered a lot more grip. Coaxing the tail became quite a bit harder. In March I purchased a set of 18X8 rims with Pirelli PZero rubber. Grip improved by orders of magnitude. Now it takes hamfisted driving to get the tail to swing out. A couple of weeks ago I added an adjustable rear sway bar which on the lowest setting is 80% stiffer than stock. I'm running the lowest setting and I still have problems coaxing the tail out. The car is extremely neutral and I still haven't found the limit because it's so much higher now that I need to be careful because I'm carrying so much more speed.

Like the mags have stated over and over, the G sedans are drift machines. However, simply lowering the car slightly and tweaking the suspension slightly with some sway bars and/or stickier rubber, the limits improve by quite a bit and a lot of that oversteer is gone unless you're in 1st around going 15mph in mid corner and mash the gas. Then yes, you can coax out power oversteer.

I know TL can handle because it's a Honda. No one does FWD better except for maybe BMW with the Coopers. It's not suprising that you can induce some oversteer with the TL. As long as it's controllable and happens when you want it to, I wouldn't change anything because it sounds like the chassis is pretty damn neutral and can do what you want. Most FWDs slip into terminal understeer very quickly. Even some RWD cars like the IS350 are prone to a crap load of understeer, just like your friend saw. The IS350 isn't known for it's handling. The IS-F is pretty much the first car Lexus has done that appears to handle quite decently, though the mags still say it has disconnected steering, just like the IS350. I've driven the TL 6MT and IS350 and honestly both cars drive very much the same in 7/10ths driving. I didn't push them any harder, but it was clear to me that the IS was more prone to understeering earlier. It really didn't feel like RWD in terms of handling feel which was disappointing because I really like the IS350. I don't know why Lexus has such a problem giving their cars some soul. Everything is so damn muted in those cars. Their great for cruising and the IS350 is damn fast, a sports sedan it is not.

iforyou

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I hate cars, another car that would have snap oversteering problem is the AP2 S2000, but Honda fixed it with the AP2.

And Dave, the IS350's not-so-good handling is due to the fact that its chassis is from the Lexus GS, which is from Toyota Crown, an executive sedan in Japan that's not intended for spirited driving (well may be a bit with the Crown Athlete).

F23A4

...and he might be going on hiatus for longer than that of his last one on Memorial Day weekend.

Manual Transmission, tone down the obnoxiousness or you will be toned out.

F23A4

As for the TL-S, IS350 and G35 comparison, here:

2007 Acura TL Type S (comparo specs vs. G35 Sport and IS350)


..and note the 0-120 mph time. Worthless @ triple digits indeed, that G35.

nova_G

the mod has spoken!

cuteguy1414

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Dave B -------------------------------Nissan/Infiniti fanboy who "use to" bash Acura/Honda

Manual Transmission--------------Former Acura TL owner, now IS350 fanboy who bashes Infiniti/Nissan and sometimes Acura

Maybe, we can arrange a something between the two..lol

Pistols, swords or an old fashioned boxing match?

FiveLiterCheater

That has to be the fruitiest username i've seen on this site

And you have it wrong...

Dave B favors Nissans, I wouldn't say he "bashes" other cars, they're just never as good as a Nissan product But atleast he is knowledgeable and not a complete retard like MT.