TheOne305

I've been on this forum for almost a year now and this is a great site .People have compared the 04TL and TSX in everyway possible and the one that gets me is cornering.People have test drove both and chose the TSX over the TL because of cornering.I like the TSX dont get me wrong but some of the reasons people used in getting the TSX i just dont get, for example(quicker lane change) i'm dumb founded on that one i mean how fast do u really need to change lanes.When it comes to cornering im a strong believer in (its the driver not the car).So i found a video on TOV thats probably already been posted but its a 2gen CLS vs RSXS with and S2000 filming.U can here how fast they are going from the sound of the S2K and the RSXS does have alittle more distance between each other when chased then chasing,But not in a SUPERIOR way though.Heres the link http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...ticle_id=41042 and they do have a TSX Vs 04 Accord V6 ill try to find that one too which probably been post here too.I'm only questioning the reason not the cars both are awsome.

TheOne305

found AV6 chasing an TSX just to show how superior the TSX is not at corning but comparable to others.http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=127390

HiG4s

Just as reference,, the TSX has the same track and wheel base as the Accord coupe,, the TL has the same track and wheel base as the Accord sedan.
And how much more does the V6 engine weigh.. I have to think that the TSX with a V6 would have the same heavy handling feel because of the extra weight on the front tires.

svtmike

Have you driven both (or either)? Go try a TSX and get back to us on which is more responsive to driver input and better balanced when being pushed through corners.

Mike

Donte99TL

TSX hands down is better in the corners. First off the TL power steering is over boosted so you don’t get a good feel through the wheel.

Second, The TSX is lighter and probably has a better weight distribution. Don’t quote me on the weight distribution but I am almost sure. $hit it has a four banger in the front and not a big heavy six.

ndx2

eh, practically any cars that are considered entry-lux/sport sedan have better weight balance than the 61/39 of the 3G TL. i was originally going to get the TSX, as i assumed the 3G handling would be close to that of the 2G. i've test driven the TSX quite a few times, and while it handled fine, it wasn't as direct/responsive/communicative as i expected. my 3G eclipse gt was better in that department.

but since i couldn't find the TSX i wanted anywhere, without waiting a month or two, i looked at the TL. i had my brother test drive a 6MT (never really driven stick in my life), who gave thumbs up... and then i test drove a 5AT and was pleasantly surprised by the level of responsiveness, as well as comfort. it was much better than the stock 2G TL-S for sure.

besides, i knew i could vastly improve the handling with a rear sway bar and stiffer springs.

i'm having a difficult time getting used to/learning to control the torque steer.

TheTriads

TSX will rape the TL in Autocross
TL will rip a new asshole in TSX in straight line launch.

nuff said

ndx2

mmm... when they're both stock, probably.

if they're both 6MT with similarly modded suspension, then no.

i'd go autox'ing in my TL in a heartbeat, except that um... im barely managing to drive the 6MT in traffic, sooooo it's gonna hafta wait.

btw, anyone have any tips on controlling the torque steer?

Gadgets

Rear wheel drive.

ndx2

thanks gadgets... duly noted. : )

now, anyone have any non-smartass tips on controlling the torque steer?

svtmike

Wrist exercises.



Mike

neuronbob

No big deal, you get used to it. In the 5AT, it's a minimal issue now that I've owned the car for over 18 months.

I've driven both the TSX and the TL and find the TSX's handling (stock) superior to the TL. With the A-Spec, the TL comes closer to the TSX's nimbleness even with the mildly overboosted steering. However, the TL is heavier than the TSX and nothing overcomes that kind of inertia.......

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

if you look at last year MT COTY test, where TL and TSX were both tested at the same time, you can see that the slalom and skidpad numbers for the TSX were a bit better. However, their figure 8 time for the TL was better than the TSX.

sufall96

I don't know what the big issue is but I might have the only TL that does not have a superior torque steer issue. My 03 TL Type S had much more torque steer than my 04 TL. Try driving a 265 hp Maxima and then talk to me about torque steer. That's torque steer. The TL controls the torque very well to me. I can control the car very easily but I know it's limitations. I had a 04 G35 for four days and the handling was better than the TL but it was no where near to the 330i I drove two years ago. It's not much that I would do in the G35 that I wouldn't do in my TL. But the BMW ate the curves up like a carnivore. At least that's my .

EZZ

It all depends on your suspension setup. The G35 coupe handles better than the 330 because of its tires and sport suspension. In turn the 350z handles better than the g35 coupe because its suspension is even more aggressively tuned. The g35 sedan has less aggressive suspension tuning that the coupe so it may not feel as good in the handling area but this can be fixed by modding.

As for the TL, it does very well considering its very front heavy. IMO, its harder to tune a fwd to be comfortable and handle well than it is to tune a rwd car to do both. A good example would be the IS300...that thing takes bumps like a champ but displays excellent handling (as does the BMW 3 series). The TSX should handle better...its noticeably lighter.

fasttl

I have a 6spd TL with pilot sports 2's. It will rip a TSX with MXM's not one but 2 A holes in the twisties. The Tl's disadvantage to the TSx in handling is mostly tire based. Yes the TSX will still "feel" more agile in transient maneuvers (mostly because of quicker steering ratio) but if you put good rubber on the TL the monster adhesion will make up for it in spades.

Pro Stock John

Who cares anyway, I went with the bigger car with 70 more horsies. I do like ALL the Acura vehicles, but if I had NOT gotten the TL I would have gotten a G35 sedan or a 330i.

TheTriads

^ wOrd to that my friend. Sometimes I wish I had gotten the 6MT G35c but most of the days i'm happy because it's roomy.

Gadgets

Sorry about that. Me --->


To reduce torque steer effect:

1. Find a car with equal length half-shafts (if the TL has this, then just disregard).
2. a car that has an engine with less torque.


As for controlling it, use less throttle when turning. In the end, you have a FWD car and you have torque steer. Really no way around it.

The ATTS in the last Gen Prelude was a pretty neat idea.