thevikas87

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjzVS...eature=related


yea...and from reading the comments, someone please tell me its a base TL, ALSO wtf is up with those guys saying stuff like even a TLS couldnt beat a 2002 maxima...

Acura FTW....but we lost in this video...

Ilya

Being I'm a Maxima driver currently and an enthusiast...you do realize the 2002 is a 3.5 engine right? That's a 3.2 TL. That's one thing, second...the 6spd 3.5 Maxima is RIDICULOUS. I'm not surprised the TL lost that one. Now, pit a 3.5 TL-S verse a 3.5 Maxima...6spd vs 6spd...and I doubt the Maxima wins.

PPLAPW

Hes a member on here...

BTW, those maximas have good disposable torque. Kinda doesn't surprise me that it can beat a 5AT. With a good driver the 6MT Base and Type S MT can beat a maxima.

thevikas87

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right i do realize that, but you still think the maxima has a chance against a TLS as well?

PPLAPW

^IMO, the type S should be able to take the maxima.

Ilya

No, against the TL-S I doubt it. This is coming from a guy who's been a Maxima nut for 3 years now. It's a VERY fast 3.5 V6 but I just test drove a 2008 TL-S 6spd...I don't think it would even beat me and I'm by all means not perfect at driving a manual car. I've driven both, and the TL-S is the fastest car I've ever driven.

t0talacuratl

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I used to have an 02 Max AT, and that car was fast from start to 120(whole lot of tq). But it isn't enough for a 07 and up TL-S.

ib18c1

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it is a base, and i lost lol




we did another run on the highway (no footage). was from a 55mph roll, i held up wiht it much better, we were neck to neck until 90 where he pulled me REALLY hard (note i was in 3rd still, not the infamous 4th)

bf17738

found 0-60 times on a 07 TL-S 6sp ... 5.52sec

0-60 on 04 Maxima 6sp ... 6.34sec
0-60 on 02 Maxima 6sp ... 6.3 sec
0-60 on 05 TL 6sp ... 5.9 sec
0-60 on 04 TL 5AT ....6.3 sec

Elegant TYPE S

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My experience with racing Nissans is that if you actually start from stop, we will lead them by half to a whole car legnth right off take off all the way up to about 70mph. And from that point on fwd, the Nissan usually catches up and then takes us and keeps walking away at speeds over 90mph.

This was the result when I raced my friend in his 350Z and my 2003 TL Type S. Do not underestimate the 2nd Gen TYPE S it defenitely had balls.

Based on this I would state the results here would be the same. In both races I saw none was from a stop, it was from 30mph and our cars are meant to shine from a stop. Plus I see the TL has aftermarket RIMS which prolly weigh a bit more compared to the Stock 17's the Maxima might have been rolling on.

Good stuff..

04Enthusiast

I've had three Nissan Maxima's and always thought my 2006 Acura TL felt slower. But it might be because my Maxima's were manuals and my Acura is an automatic.

Rajca

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my friend raced me in his 03 maxima (auto) and i had a 02 type s. there is NO way i was going to keep up with him. but once i spayed (75 shot) on him he didnt know what hit him and till a couple weeks ago i told him and he was shocked that a 75 shot would do that much

thevikas87

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alriight, thats what i thought, TLS > Maxima....

bf17738

i'm confused about the comment about the engine size of 3.5 vs 3.2 ... the maxima only generated 255hp and the smaller TL engine generates 270 (or 258 depending on SAE rating) was does the liter size have to do with why it would have beat out the TL?

jdoggg12

^ Torque?

thevikas87

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yea...torque....hp isnt everything

rockyfeller

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That may be why nobody on an Acura site will believe you.

Just playin with you. Maximas are faster than people think but I too think a TL-S will kick it's ass. I'd say what's been said already. TL-S 6MT>Maxima 6MT>TL 6MT>Maxima 5AT>TL 5AT (stock cars)

Do you think capacity has everything to do with it? My dad's Caddy has a 4.8L V8 with 275hp but my TL is faster?

97whtse

Well i used to own a max previously and i do think that the tl feels slower than my max. and they are both manuals. but i raced my friends 02 max 6spd stock vs my 04 tl 6spd and i had a couple feet on him.

djbonsu

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Funny yet interesting match up! I can DEFINTELY voche that the 02' Maxima 6MT is faster than the 05' TL 6MT! i come from an 02' MAX 6MT and that BEAST is one torque monster! thats why it definitely KILLS the 05' TL 6MT......dont get it twisted tho.....the TL 6MT will keep up tho. the TL-S 6MT on ther other hand im sure will get the max if not, it would be neck and neck! Also consider that WEIGHT is a factor here!!

SouthernBoy

The old hot rodder adage: "there is no substitute for cubic inches". I would add this this the following: "depending upon how you use them".

I had a 2002 Altima SE (it was the car I got rid of for my '04 manual TL). I had modded that Altima with a full catback exhaust system (Mossy), an Unorthodox Racing UDP, and a Frankencar/Apexi intake system. In the car's box stock condition, my TL would beat it, hands down. Plus my TL has quite a bit more throttle response and "felt" torque" than did my Altima. With the mods on the Altima, it would be very close.. probably a draw with perhaps a very slight edge going to my TL.

I had a friend who did pretty much the same mods as did I, plus he had his ECU reflashed, installed headers, and removed all of the cats. His car was very quick and would beat my TL and I would bet the newer TL-S's as well.

S PAW 1

Who CARES if the Maxima is quicker???
It's so friggin' ugly
If he beats me, I won't even know it!
I be too busy lookin' GOOD

fish008

There are a couple of reasons that the TL loses this race... First as mention the MT maxima with a half-decent driver will beat the AT TL any day (much of that has to do with shift speed but more of it has to do with the MT having gear ratios closer together). Give the TL a MT and that is a much closer race. It should also be noted that a MT weights less than an AT. The real kicker is the power to weight ratio (I will use the printed HP and torque for those year cars because like Acura I am sure that Nissan wanted to keep their HP as high as possible for as long as possible). First the 2002 Maxima: 255 HP, 246 lb/ft, 3275 lbs. Next the 2005 TL 270 HP, 238 lb/ft, 3489 lbs. SO the Maxima's power to weight ratio is 12.84 lbs per HP. The TL's power to weight ratio is 12.92 lbs per HP. Its the same story with torque. There is another reason the TL AT loses that race.

For fun assume that the 2007 TL-S would have pulled 300 HP with the old testing procedure and a weight of 3674 lbs. Then the power to weight ratio is 12.24 lbs per HP. That would equal a Maxima in the rear view mirror.

McKulit

LOL I agree ... um do I look good or what? ... oh it's that ugly maxima passing by .. who cares ... um do I look good or what?

Ilya

Yeah I believe the 5.5th Generation Maxima (02-03) puts out like 255hp AND 250tq. The TL is what, 258hp and 200tq?

Sir, you're mistaken. The 97-99 Maxima and the 02-03 Maxima is one hell of a good looking car. Here are some pics:

1997 - 1999 (first four pictures are of my car, I love my car, but I just want something newer which is why I'm getting ready to purchase a 2008 TL-S):

















2002-2003:

ballinfizzle89

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The maxima is in no way UGLY but I don't think it compares the TL, appearance wise.

Ilya

I agree. The TL is a beautiful car.

I'm still getting compliments about my 99 SE from various people at the mall, movies, stores, gas stations, etc. But then again, I have custom headlights (that have TL projectors in them actually hehe) that are very eye catching so maybe that's what people notice the most. My car is pretty much stock from the exterior, except for the lighting and tint.

S PAW 1

Hey Ilya, I know you're new to the forum, and you're European and all that.
So, I'll forgive you just this one time on behalf of all the members on this A C U R A forum ))))

P.S.
This is just some friendly ribbing before I get flamed

Better get back on topic before I get flamed by a MOD

Ilya

I'm new to THIS forum . I've been around many forums over the last 4 years so I know how they work. No offence taken lol.

But I will be going to/joining the Acura world soon enough and then I'll start flaming Nissan drivers myself . Nah, every car has it's pro's and con's but the 4.5th Gen. (97-99) and 5.5th Gen (02-03) Maxima's are by no means ugly cars lol.

VQPower37

maxima's are siiiick cars, esp like ilya said the 97 - 99 are awesome ... and overall vq35>j32 IMHO

VQPower37

o btw juss wanted to add that TL's are siick too ... juss not as fast

Aman

well that was not a fair race at all

1. the TL was probably heavier due to the Aspec kit, rims
2. it was a 5AT vs a 6MT, not fair at all
3. we have no indication of the driver skill (not sayin the tl owner was a bad driver) but how good was the Maxi's driver?

new Maxima vs. mew type-s that would be a fair race.

Ilya

They don't make a 6MT Maxima anymore. It's only auto.

djbonsu

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....i defintely agree with you on that!!!...couldnt have said it better myself!

juruki

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=xr6JYHtVnQ4

EL19

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5.5 gen maxes are sick...my car stock keeps up with a stock one evenly and mod for mod it was the same race until we got into the higher rpm range where vtec reigns supreme

EL19

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that tLS kicked ass

MTVtec

6MT > 5AT

With similar trannies, it's a driver's race.

With different trannies, whoever has the 6MT will win, hands down....

Dave_B

That race went exactly the way I thought it would. 5.5 gen Max 6MT to TL 6MT and it's a driver's race. I also think the TL-S vs 5.5 6MT would be a driver's race. According to the 1/4 mile stats for the TL-S 6MT on this site, it's going to be a driver's race. Quite a few 5.5 6MT Max's have seen 14.2-14.4@99mph stock which matches the times of those that have race their TL-S 6MTs at the strip. Look at the power to weight ratios and it makes perfect sense. The TL and TLS make fractionally more power above 6500rpms, but from 3000-6000rpms, the VQ35 has a big advantage and power under the curve is what accelerates a car, not the peak from 6200-6700rpms.

When it comes to NA modification potential, the TL/TL-S doesn't stand a chance in hell. The Maxima will be far faster.

iforyou

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and not to mention those big rims on that TL.

Big rims
AT
5 gear ratios
Heavier

No wonder it's lost.

But that TL-S showed what it's capable of against the 350z.

ib18c1

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i've been friends wiht the Maxima driver for a while now, he is a good driver imo, ran 9.1 on the 1/8th mile track with full bolt ons and 9.4 stock

yeah, no matter what, the 6spd will pull, just depends how long it takes until he will pull. I purchased a set of UR pulley and TB spacer and I will be rolling on stock rims soon, so I will see how that goes