Hi guys,

From Ron A's request, I'm posting a new thread regarding a case, which I don't feel responsible for what happened. BE PREPARE THIS WILL BE A LONG READ!!! I'll highlight some words in red, which I think it's very important in this case.

I was accused of scamming John aka jerzydevil609 for selling a set of used TPMS that he claimed 3 of 4 were not working.

Here's my for sale thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/various-items-3g-tl-836649/

I'd like to post everything from beginning to end here to let you guys see since I did not like the way I dealt business with him.

End of December 2011, he PMed me regarding the adapters he was interested since he got his MDX rims. He had some questions regarding them and with all the questions answered he pulled the trigger on purchasing them.

so you see there, he accepted the offer, which is the brand new adapters for $300+$40 for 4 used TPMS.

After I came back from my vacation, he PMed me saying that 3 of 4 TPMS he received were not working.

As you guys can see, he claimed that my adapters were used???? I have posted detailed pictures of the items on my for sale thread and I am not sure if he even saw them. No question asked, I offered him $40US back for the TPMS, but he wanted $120US instead.

So I replied him....and then he replied me with this.....
I got really annoyed after that and replied to his comments...
So as you guys can see, I've already offered him money back for the TPMS without even trying to find out how they were broken, but he insisted more money from me and claimed that my adapters were used.

Now he has disputed under paypal asking me for $100US refund....

I replied him with refund of $40US+$10 paypal fee from the original price, now I'm waiting on his reply if he accept it or not....even those TPMS were in working condition when I took them out of my TL.

I want you guys to know that I am not here to scam people and I'm here long enough to know that (joined since 2002).

I want John to tell me how he determined those TPMS were broken and what process he did to install them. From what i know, there were reading fine.
Maybe he can take some pictures as well.

Thanks for reading guys,
Sam

 

:shakehead

He doesn't get it.

 

The adapters look new to me

 

Well, at least the cruise was good?

 

sub'd

 

Here's a link of him having his rims happily installed with adapters.
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/how-hard-would-make-mdx-wheels-work-834166/

All this for 3 TPMS he claimed didn't work. If they didn't work, I wouldn't be selling them. I would just throw them out after I took them off my TL. I know for a fact that they were working.

Now I wish I didn't sell him the TPMS with the adapters, but even with adapters alone, he would probably tell me that they were used and not new. (As what he requested on paypal now).

 

I like the way John types.

Also like the fact that he has devil in his screen name.

 

Well.... its the risk of doing business online and he should accept that. I mean it was clearly stated before the sale was made that you were only charging him $40 for the TPMS sensors so that is all that should be refunded. He chose to take the risk of only paying $40 for TPMS sensors when we all know they run about $100+ but for whatever reason they didn't work or got damaged in shipping or what not. That's the risk he chose to take to save money and ended up losing instead of making.

Simply put..I would be very pissed if I was him as well ... but as per the sale it was clearly stated that you were only charging him $40 for the TPMS. So that's all he should get back. These are the 2 option that I see:

1. Refund $40 for the TPMS but he must return those TPMS sensors
2. Refund full amount but he must return all wheels and TPMS.

Shipping responsibility is on the buyer. Simple as that. You can let him decide. Paypal is notorious of siding with the buyer so I would make sure you state those two options in the message boards so you make yourself known to the paypal dispute team that you were willing to refund the entire purchase if he returns all items.

 

^Agree with everything you just said, but why should he offer to refund the full amount? The adapters are no longer new. Sam should only offer to refund the money for the TPMS.

 

I'm waiting for jerzydevil609's defense

 

And also in his defense about the TPMS sensors not working... I'm not surprised that they didn't work because.. I had that happen to me 2x. Gave my rim in for repair and first time I got it back the TPMS didn't work .. and I though the installer busted it up. I had a spare so no biggie, he just popped that in.

Second time I did the same thing.. but this time I told him I want the TPMS sensor in hand so that this way it doesn't get damaged and I watched him pull it out and hand it to me .. only for it not to work again afterwards. So these TPMS sensors don't like to be taken off and on constantly.

 

Because that's the risk that the seller takes in making online sales. Just like the buyer takes the risk of stuff not working.. return shipping and stuff. Also it wasn't clearly stated that it was final sale or there would be some sort of (for lack of better word) "restocking fee" in any of the PM's so you can only go based on that.

 

So did you send him the bands and brackets along with the sensors? I would suspect the shop probably did the install wrong. If the bands came loose from the barrels or the sensors came loose from brackets they would roll around inside the wheel/tire assembly and be destroyed.

Kind of odd that he posted pictures of the MDX wheels on the car and they have TPMS stems sticking out of the wheels when one of the sensors you sent him could not have been installed that way.

 

^^ Where are you hiding

 

Why would he need bands and brackets? They're an Acura OE wheel, shouldn't the TPMS fit the stems?

 

thanks for the input.

I would definitely wait for the items to be returned, inspect them myself before i refund fully IF that's that case. I'll also have a TPMS tester to make sure 3 of the 4 TPMS are broken here.

 

one of the TPMS was physically damaged as indicated CLEARLY on my for sale thread, that one TPMS would not fit the stem from what I know.

the buyer should know that as well before buying.

 

Truth is hes not happy with the offsets he achieved from the adapters, that is why he is asking for a refund this what he posted in the other thread. It's just obvious. Looks to me like hes the one scamming you and he used them. 40% restocking fee should be charged. in other words Buyers Remorse..below

 

and in the pics lights clearly showed the new condition of the adapters and used condition of the tpms.

 

^^^That's why. There's really no fixing a sensor once it's been damaged that badly. The only way that broken sensor would have worked would be to strap it to the wheel barrel. That makes me wonder if the shop only strapped one of them to the barrel or all of them. If they strapped all of them to the barrels why are there TPMS sensors in the wheel valve holes too? Something just doesn't add up if you ask me.

 

yep those look brand new to me as well and the tpms is clearly damaged which was clearly stated by lights. I think that jersey is trying to pull something here

 

i think it's a combination of incompetency on the shop's part and douche baggery on the buyer's part.

I hope paypal sides with the seller on this one. paypal has been known to not give a rats ass about the seller's story and take the money back from the seller.

also reading that thread showing off his car he seems to know other azine members in person. At least he can't run now.

 

dis kind of stuff happens to my dad at his shop all the time when people bring stuff in that is "brand new" my dad is a master lead tech he said ur sensors looked new anyways good luck i hate sellin shit i sold a iphone and the buyer reported it didnt work and thattheshell wasnt black i clearly stated it was a custom yellow shell but o well good luck dude

 

Pretty soon BM threads will include the following phrase
"If you make this purchase you agree to the above outlined terms and conditions"

Sellers need protection from douche buyers as much as there are douche sellers.

 

Reminds me that I got bitched at from a buyer who bought my wheels and tires cause the tires were 10% less tread even though I have two sheets from Acura and Discount Tire stating the tires were that tread I stated. He wanted a refund, I said no.

 

I say "buyer beware" and if you don't feel confident in buying something from a fellow forum member in the BM, then don't. No one's forcing you buy their stuff.

 

I am 100% on your side, lights. What confuses me is why a mod (although that it's Ron A is no surprise) would request you to create a thread to eviscerate this guy (as warranted as it is). This is essentially a private transaction/dispute.

 

No mention of any problems in the other thread, but installers have been know to do damage to the TPMS sensors, so giving the buyer credit ($40) for the 4 sensors seems to be the most logical choice and far more than what is defintely required, as items are sold As-Is.

Good luck with PayPal and at least you have pictures of the car with the adapters installed so he should be SOL with this complaint as they are now used.

 

U sold the item as a part so i dont see why youre obligated to pay for the installation and labor troubles the buyer had to go through. Also, u gave him a deal for $40 for used TPMS sensor which is fair. In the end, he agreed to pay $300 for the custom spacers (which is already mounted on his car, so its not new anymore) as you are already willing to refund him back for the sensors..

+1 for lights

Good luck on this matter guys..

 

Where is that awesome pic of the chick eating the pop corn LoL

For the record, this a prime example of why I only deal with a select group of members.

Look who is watching

 

It's quite interesting how the buyers grammar, while still poor, has improved over the other thread now that he is no longer satisfied with his purchase.

~J

 

 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by VicTL06

I am 100% on your side, lights. What confuses me is why a mod (although that it's Ron A is no surprise) would request you to create a thread to eviscerate this guy (as warranted as it is). This is essentially a private transaction/dispute.

Just my theory on why Ron A and other Moderators want this out there is to caution people about this type of stuff...

there are a lot more people buying used TLs and now it seems like we might see more people buy an aftermarket part from a previous TL owner then not like it.. then try and get their money back.. or some money back.. also knowing that the previous TL owner really doesn’t want the part back.. I mean if your goal was to get stuff out of your garage that was just taking up space would you really take it back knowing you made some profit? It’s gaming the system and my gut feeling says we will see more people try this… I know if I had old parts and want it out of my garage I might eat the headache of returning $100.. it is not right.. it makes me angry.. but I have to weigh life and what is the value to me in fighting this, especially with time constraints, emotional constraints and other things with family and work

if the person did not want the piece then why put it on the car then say "90%" happy? Why not accept the return for the TPMS?

this thread is a warning to sellers and buyers to beware of scrupulous people who do not have good intentions... this time the seller is getting screwed.. but imagine if it was the buyer getting screwed? imagine if jerzey was a seller.. would you trust his ilk?

more and more I think of only working with folks who are reputable sellers or buyers.. that sucks because people have to do their first sell or first buy...

I know when I sell an item on the Black Market I will have an agreement via email or PM stating that the buyer understands what they are getting via the picture… something very stern and formal.. it won’t stop some people from trying to game the system but it will stop most… I haven’t read up on paypal but from what I have heard from others it does err in favor of the buyer.. so the verbiage of my sales to people would have to include something from paypal

 

also just an FYI the spacer look brand new.. that is what mine looked like when I purchased it.. now after only a couple months use you cant get out the wear on it.. wear is very very noticable on a spacer

 

Did the buyer recalibrate the tpms sensor to work with his car? If I'm
Not mistaken you must have the tpms sensors linked to your car in order to have them work. And I don't think any shop can do this . You must take it to Acura. Some one correct me if I'm wrong. By saying that the tpms sensors don't work does he mean that 3 of the tires are showing 58lbs which is what it usually shows on my car when I run my spare with no tpms. Or is there air leaking thru the stems??

 

Ohhh snap, getting my pop corn too, and read this thread... Hmmm OP clearly layed the description on the table to the "T"

 

really...

"did you make the adaptors? no... they were used... who buys used stuff for the full price"

I guess I've always bought used underwear and paid full price, damn it man. there goes my weekend.

On a serious note, I'm with you lights. GL

 

Good Luck..... Its Lights out fot the Jerseydevil...lol

 

tl;dr.