Who has read the latest Car and Driver? it shows the tl spanking some major ass with its lowly motor.... the only car to out run it was the 306 hp lexus IS 350. the g35 sedan with its 28 extra hp (298hp) was the same speed from 0-60 and the quarter mile (g35 had 1 mph higher trap speed), it also beat the volvo s60r with 300hp and awd

whats funny is this was listed as a 270hp 05 model, even though the same engine for 06 is "only" 258.... and its the same motor....

either honda has some great horses the measure by, or nissan picks the sickly ones... this really shows that honda never really was "sand bagging" there #s but other manufactures may have been.... because if the acura tl is only making 258 then whats up with that volvo or the g 35?

 

^ Anyone know the times? (i.e. 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc.)

I know the IS did AMAZING for a car with an auto. Just curious to see how everyone else did in comparison to the TL.

 

Everything you said is true. I've been saying this for a long time too. The G35 is especially interesting, because no car that makes 298hp, is RWD, weighs 3500lbs, and has 6 aggressive gears, should be posting numbers as "slow" as it is. The IS makes a lot more sense, with just 8 more readjusted hp and a little more torque. How is a heavier car able to post .5 seconds better in 0-60 and 1/4 mile with these slight improvements?

The G35 power ratings were most true when it was 260hp 260tq. As they started climbing for marketing reasons, it became more and more bogus.

Which also explains why Nissan refuses to readjust their power ratings by the new SAE-net measurement. It would be ugly.

 

I also test drove a 6mt G35 rwd sedan and it was pretty fun to drive, but my TL 6MT feels faster.

 

What the hell are you talking about? Sand-bagging? That would effectively meant that "Honda wasn't stuffing away MORE horses," dude.

Where I come from, sand-bagging doesn't mean "inflating"...

 

i said exactly what i ment....

as i understand sand bagging is not being truthful, trying to decieve someone to gain an advantage

acura for 06 said that the tl only had 258 down from 270 for 04 and 05
the # went down because of the "new" testing method.

people have made comments that acura was "not honest" with the 04-05 hp rating.... ie that acura was really bluffing on the #'s

i have shown in other posts that the tl put out all of the hp that it should, and that the "new" testing procedures will lower almost all cars, only favoring a few more "exotic" hand built motors (z06 comes to mind). this is simply because the all of the factors for the test are controlled....

in the latest issue of car and driver the 258hp acura (270 on paper, 258 by the new rating) ran right with the 298hp infinity.... funny how a car with a 40hp defict and fwd ran with the g35...

 

But as speed increases the G35's times are better than the TL's which is what Nissan point was to add better top end to the G. 0-100 the G was .4 quicker and to 120 just shy of 1 sec at .9 which is a big difference at speed. Also look at the top gear numbers from 30-50 mph the G was nearly 2 secs quicker and from 50-70 it was well over 2 secs quicker than the TL. That extra power is there at key points when needed vs the TL.

 

What are you the acrura CEO...lol Acura is losing ground, first to the G and now to the IS ... Of course there is the BMW. Consumer Reports does not rate the 3 G as better than average quality and initital quality has fallen about 10 notches... It might run with some other cars but it is falling apart sooner and has many more quality issues...

 

are you the ceo for infinity? all i ever seem to read from you on the site is acura bashing, and infinity praise....

the tl has a higher ratio 6th gear (by a pretty good amountt too) so top gear acceleration times are going to be worse then the g 35, dont believe me? look at the rpm at 60mph the acuras rpm is lower which means it has a numerically higher gear ratio... i really dont look at top gear roll ons, especially since the lexus cant be kept in top gear becasue its an automatic, so the #s are skeewed....

and monte is right as speed builds the tl will lose some ground, but this has to do with higher gearing for the tl, aero dynamics, and hp....

the infinity with the aero kit is a "cleaner" car... dont know if this one was so equiped.

also most racers will be up to at most 100 mph, the 1/4 mile is over by then, and anything faster is go to jail speed, im quite happy to run with the g up to 100, and let off after that....

 

Don't forget there is some compromise on performance for the TL to get slightly better mpg and ULEV. C&D may only care about the performance numbers (as many people out here stress over 1/10th of a second), but the majority of people BUYING the car may be interested in the better efficiency and green(er) qualities in concert with that performance target.

If Acura decided to weigh in those two factors less, I would suspect they could better challenge the G (or better) in the numbers game (and still be FWD!!!???).

My theory is, that in some Acura think tank, it was decided that the TL was to be targeted for consumers who wanted performance similar to the G / BMW3 / IS, etc., BUT also were tuned into better efficiency and emissions? At the same time Acura wants to be 'different' in its own way not be be a copycat / carbon copy product. Somewhere the balance scales had to settle.

That said, it is impressive how BMW increased the 3's mpg ratings. I bet Infinity is looking to do the same. They all target aspects of each other trying to capture more market share (and flatter each other in the process).

I will buy only the BEST CAR....the BEST CAR for my needs. Not the BEST CAR for someone else's needs (unless they make the car payments).