I just got news form my dealership that they guy who owned my car before i did totaled it and never reported it. The front end was gone and the motor was rebuilt. The frame was also rewelded on. Acura now says they will try to fix the knocking noise but thats it.

 

i would make a scene @ the dealership.

 

Did you buy the car at the dealership? By totaled, do you mean the car had a salvage title, or just wrecked badly? I ask becasue my car was in accident that wound up costing 19k to fix, but it wasn't "totaled" by the insurace company. If you put my VIN number in carfax, you wouldn't see any evidence of an accident.

 

Man that is bad. They should have told you before you bought it. Make them get it back and give you a similar replacement.

 

Time to let someone steal it.

 

It's illegal in VA to sell a vehicle that has had frame damage and not disclose it at the time of sale. You need to check into some legal actions it seems.

 

If this car was sold to you by the/a dealer, I would be consulting a lawyer immediately. Whether they knew of the damage or not (if it was totalled they did...) they should be giving your money back and taking their case up with the individual that traded it in.

Do not for a moment think "that's it!!"

Now, if you purchased it via a private sale....... You own it.

 

Oye desi Tl walay.... Baat sun!.... Take your Case to the Best Best attorney cause first its gonna be NO CHARGE because the attorney will take the money when you will win the case depending on how r u charging them.. Get a descent attorney if you only need your money back or want to change the tl....My own TL was burned and i put a new engine in the car.. a 2002 TL to 2003Tl-s engine... and not even a dot on CarFax

 

man im loving the desiness on these forums

 

hahaha
damn, theres a lot of desis on these boards
wonder if the camry and accord boards have more?

 

I think I saw on a TV show that they're responsible, even if they didn't know it. It won't hurt to check with a lawyer.

Do *NOT* accept that. Do not.

 

did you buy from the dealer or private party?

 

lol i think the camry and accord boards are filled with desis liek no other. not to many desis i see with the tl

 

wow.. hopefully you never get into a collision while driving your TL..

 

My question is the same as others'.....where did you buy it? Dealer or private party?

As much as I hate to suggest it.....you may need to lawyer up if it's the dealer.

Yet another reason I don't buy used.

 

Pretty sure that if there we're an "Odyssey" forum, thats where all the desi's would be

 

i bought the car used from Gary Yaemons ford. They gave me 31 otd so i took it. THey insisted it was never in an accident and i even talked to the bodyshop there and they said it was still the orignal paint. The carfax didn't have anything on it.

 

is it a salvage title or in your opinion it was totaled? BIG difference. the dealer and any seller only have to report damage "to the best of their knowledge" in RI, if could be different elsewhere.

However, if it is a salvage title, they did know it was damaged and they did not disclose known damage to you. Lawyer in 3.....2.....1....GO!

 

You bought a TL from a Fraud dealer ??!??

 

Shows you what good Carfax is. Don't they have a guarantee of some type?

 

when i mean totaled, the front end was crushed. The title shows nothing and neither does the insurance companies.

 

As far as I know you have to activate that guarantee....I may be wrong.

 

99% of desis either drive a toyota, a honda, mercedes benz or a BMW. Then there is that 1% that has american cars.

 

If they didnt disclose anything about the accident and gave you assurance the car was fine (assuming they knew it was in an accident) you should go get a lawyer to work on your claim.

 

You're right.

http://www.carfax.com/guarantee/hctermsanddef.cfm

So if the OP finds that there was indeed a salvage title (MUST have been if the frame was re-welded on!), he/she can file a claim.

 

It's all in the reporting and timing. The accident may not have been reported to Carfax, so the Carfax was clean (which is why shopping for used cars requires inspection on a lift, etc., depending on how good the buyer, friends and a good mechanic are at spotting non-factory work on a car). If the car was repaired just before the sale, Carfax may not get report until after the sale.

Salvage title is used in California for "totalled" cars, flooded cars and once-stolen cars of subsequently-cleared title. If the damage to the front end and frame of csmeance's TL took less than $25K to fix, it probably wouldn't be totalled and would not get a salvage title in CA.

If the Ford dealer bought the TL at auction, it will be difficult to show that the Ford dealer knew about the major repairs to the car absent a salvage title or obvious work on the frame.

By the way, what does "desis" mean or refer to, per imrantl and TacoBellSauce?

 

wow, I wouldn't even be driving that car. It's an F'ing lemon and the place you bought it at just made an ass load of money off of you. Contact BBB, a lawyer, and anybody that is high on the food chain that will not tolerate the kind of behavior the dealership is portraying on their consumors!

 

hahahahahahaha true true

 

Sounds like they misrepresented the car. Time for them to take it back and give you your money back. If not you need to sue them for it and your costs to sue them. If you have any proof that "it was never in an accident" and/or "still the original paint" you wound not have to fight much. I would think they have to disclose the accident/repair part since by looking at it it appears never to have been fixed and the price does not seem to be lower due to diminished value since it was fixed. Definitely time to see a Lawyer.

I found some info in another thread regarding diminished value in your state. It might give you some ideas to research.

Taken from post 32:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ht=repair+loss
(post 32)

"I live in Florida, so I'm not familiar with California law. However, when you say that CA does not recognize diminished value, be aware that this may be true vis a vis your own insurer, i.e. coverage may not be afforded by your policy, but this may not be true vis a vis a third party tortfeasor who causes damage to your vehicle. This is the situation in Florida, where your own insurer is not required to pay diminished value under comp or collision, but an at-fault driver (and his liability insurance) is responsible for diminished value caused to another's vehicle."

Good luck with the resolution!

 

I dont know that this would classify as a 'lemon' under FL law because it was in an accident and he bought it used, but I agree with your suggestion of getting a lawyer to sort through this mess.

 

this car did belong to someone and they did trade it in, nor an auction. They traded it in for an f-150. Also, i don't know the total extent of the damage. Acura is sending the car to their bodyshop for them to take a look.

 

Its nothing new people do that all the time, buy cars from auctions with clean titles and then trade them in to the dealer or sell them to carmax for a profit..... The dealer probably had no idea what the last person did, so I think they might not be liable in this situation

 

My family has an Accord and we were about to buy a Camry

 

If the dealer said it was never in an accident" and/or "still the original paint" then they have a problem of misrepresenting the car. If they didn't know for sure they should not have given those answers.

When I traded in my CLS for the TL, to the same dealer, they asked me if it was ever in an accident and if it anything had been repainted. This was last year in NY. I'm sure things are different in FL but car dealers are in the business of selling and trading cars no matter where they're located! Obviously they don't want to get stuck or loose money but they should know what they are selling. They are "Professionals" in their field.

Someone either didn't do their job correctly or they are lying. The buyer was wise enough to ask the correct questions about the car and the dealer gave him incorrect information. It is not like he assumed what he was looking at was what he thought it was, he asked what it was!

I think the only problem csmeance might have with a case is proof of how the dealer answered his questions and how FL laws protect consumers. If csmeance presses the dealer they will probably try settle somehow instead of going to court (take the car back and return your money, or another car for the money paid). The dealer may have a good case with the original owner if they had
misrepresented the car. But that is not csmeance's problem!

 

Ok, so, How did the acura dealer figure out it was in an accident? If they just looked it over and figured it out, why didn't the ford dealer catch that? Either they never inspected it at all, or they did, found it and hid the fact. Any good bodyshop is going to catch that. Did the ford dealer have some kinda 120 point inspection thing? If it was obvious to the acura dealer, it should have been to the ford dealer and you can go after them on that. Didn't do it or just didn't tell you. I've got my money on the dealer knowing it was in an accident.

Also, 3 outta 4 desis prefer Toyota.

 

During my 8+ years working at the dealership we had two similar cases, one the very same issue, the other worse. Both times it involved a used vehicle being sold after having/or needing significant repairs.

The first vehicle I truly believe our dealership paid no attention nor had any knowledge of the repairs. The car was literally traded in and re-sold the next day. The new owners were very happy but when they attempted to get a front end alignment a month later,, it was discovered the car had been wrecked bad enough / the uni-body structure was out of whack to the point the front end alignment couldn't be performed. I will also admit at that point our dealership "management" did the wrong thing and told the customer "sorry, you bought it used as is...." Wrong answer folks! This customer was smart enough to ask a lawyer friend if they had any recourse.. Long story short, they originally purchased a used 1987 vehicle and ended up settling out of court for a brand spanking new 1990 of the same vehicle...

Second vehicle my dealership thought they did the right thing. Used pickup was traded in and discovered after the fact that the front end was quite worn out and needed hundreds of dollars of repairs. Used car management knew this and appropriately informed the guy who wanted to purchase the truck. He was well aware of the trucks issues, purchased the truck for a reduced cost and drove away.
It wasn't two weeks later I remember driving into the lot for work and seeing this mangled pickup in our bodyshop lot!! The guy had been driving down the highway at high (though legal) speed and ended up loosing control over the front end coming apart - he rolled several times yet survived the crash. Even though the maintenance issues were disclosed and he purchased it that way willingly etc., our dealership was once again taken to court, lost and paid heavily..

Moral to the story - as mentioned above it will depend on the State laws and how they protect the consumer. In my State at the time, it did not matter whether the dealer knew or not, they were liable.

Bottom line, I would discuss this with a lawyer and demand my money back from the dealership (that is the appropriate thing for dealer and purchaser here).
If they refuse, let the lawyer off his/her leash. For your case I hope FL law is on your side.

Good luck!

 

desi is a term that we use for people from india and pakistan.

 

Thanks!
I couldn't figure out what "desis" meant and couldn't find the term in Wikipedia or the Urban Dictionary.

 

I second all here, time to grab some legal advice.

 

When he traded the car into the dealer, they asked him if it had been wrecked. They most certainly should have had him signing a paper stating that. I know I have on every transaction I've had for many years now in several states. This will go back on the guy who originally defrauded the dealer...so don't worry about it...he deserves it for lying. If you don't pursue this, you will have to state the same thing when you go to sell or trade it and the car will have a diminished value. I wouldn't let them cut you a check for diminished value either...I would want a clean car. The dealer isn't going to offer to do anything...you're going to have to ask them...or demand from them. They're in a weak position.

I require the seller to sign a disclaimer of no accidents whenever I buy from a private party too.

I would really like to know how the dealership found out it had been damaged. There's something out there. Take the car back.