everything is like almost the same. the wheels look the same, but they are different to accomodate for the TPMS sensors. visually it is the ONLY thing i have found different. the iPod Accessory isnt out yet so i do not know how it installs. the TPMS monitoring is more similar to that of the MDX or Pilot, is does not display like th RL and Odyssey does.

changes are minor enough that i wont trade, but some people may want to update

 

How is it more similar to the MDX and Pilot? It shows the psi of each tire like the RL. There is even pictures in this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/think-golf-originated-scotland-think-again-124065/

 

I didnt want to wait till it came out. There just wasn't enough to wait for.

 

THe only way we were gonna wait is if they had a type-S or SH-AWD, the TPMS wasnt enough for us either.

 

oops

i was training someone today while i was in one, didnt get a chance to go that far in to info center, just saw where it said it was "ok"

 

Ha! I doubted the pictures after what you said at first thinking the pictures were photoshopped

 

Hey my pics are floating around! I can guarantee them to be authentic, though I am pretty decent with photoshop.. I think i would spend my time photoshopping different rims on the car though

I could shoot a little mpg video, thats much more difficult to photoshop.. hehe

I was messing with the TPMS today, its just another toy. You'd think it would be boring but when you're zipping around town you can tell you're putting a little hurt on the tires when the pressure rises a few psi from the heat. The part that worries me is when the tires get out of sinc of how anal i'm going to be at getting em all to the exact pound. I can already tell that two of them have about 1/2 lb more pressure than the other two

 

might be a stupid comment, havent been here in a while....anyways, i saw on acura's website that the 06 TL is now 258HP....which means it lost 12HP??? shed some light?

 

ya its explained all over the forum if you do a search.. sorry i'm too lazy to find the thread. But the summary of it is, 270 is measured using metric and 258 is measured using SAE. Plus testing conditions are more standardized. I think that Infiniti is still using metric.

So in short, engine puts out the same power. Its just measured using different testing methods.

 

Read all about it in the big TL hp change for 2006 thread.

 

I think the G35 sedan (auto) is now rated at 266hp (down from 280hp).

 

So the TL does show the exact poundage? I think I am going to have to contact the dealer as they did not respond the first time(although I gave my dads info he may have inadvertantly deleted it).

 

I heard that the 06 infinitis are using the new SAE rating system and still have the same HP numbers as last year.
http://nissannews.com/infiniti/2006v...an/specs.shtml

 

Last I checked, Nissan hasn NOT gone with the new ratings yet.

quick question - were the keys the sames as '05?

 

yeah that was weird... I hear all kinds of comments like 266 ponies on the 280 motor but have not heard about torque. Have not heard about the 298 motor either.... When I asked I was give the same crap who cares it is the same motor and all. I don't care in either forum since the end result is you get the same performance. I was just curious from a technical aspect is all. But I have not heard any numbers...

All the VQ has to do is bump up the compression to 11:1 and I bet they get that all back and maybe some more.

 

Ask n1976jmk, he owns an '06.

 

See the asterisk next to horsepower? Scroll down to the bottom and read that Infiniti is using the June 1995 rating, not the new one that brought down the TL's horsepower figure to 258.

 

I don't think they will reduce HP for Canadian model....

coz I asked dealer, they didn't know the news, they said they have got the documents for 06, the doc. says the car is still 270hp...

is this true?

 

You confusing G with the Avalon. Avalon hp went down from 280 to 266. The hp ratings went down because the NEW SAE procedures leave no/less room for cheating. Those manufacturesrs that did not cheat do not have to reduce the power ratings for their cars.

 

Iits not cheating. it is just becoming a standard

 

Incorrect.
This has nothing to do with cheating. The new SAE requires certain new things. For example: power steering pump, oil level, cool fan has to be on, etc.

Some cars will be effected more than others depending on various factors.

If you really care, read this thread and ask questions. Don't simply brand someone as having "cheated".

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=396489

 

First thing...the tire pressure monitor. Is it measuring wheel speed or is it inside the tire attached to the rim and measuring the psi? If it's measuring wheel speed/rotation, then changing tires sizes (overall diameter) could throw the readings off. That sucks for those who like to re-engineer their tires and suspensions.

Second, there is a small article in the November issue of Motor Trend in regards to the SAE calculation change. To sum it up, it read like this. "Japanese cars lose Horsepower".

..."It seems that Honda, Toyota and Nissan took advantage of the SAE standards that allowed minimal oil in the crankcase and "simulated" exhaust systems to make their numbers. It must be emphasized that no automaker did wrong in interpreting the old SAE rules and estimating horsepower, but the new rules have seen a number of Japanese models, particularly Honda and Toyota, lose horses, while American cars generally have gained.

One of the biggest gainers is the Cadillac XLR-V rated 469 horsepower, up from an earlier 440 horsepower estimate. The Corvette Z06 is the most famous case, having gained five horsepower to 505. Big losers include the Acura MDX, down from 265 to 235 horses. The Acura RL, off 10 to 290 horses, [the Acura TL down 258 from 270 horsepower], the Lexus LS 430, 278 horses, and the Toyota Avalon, 268 horses both off 12 horses. It sounds like a bad day on Wall Street.

The Pontiac G6's 3.5L V-6 is up one horsepower to 201, though this pushrod engine is still less powerful than Toyota's 3.3L four-valve V6 which lost 15 horses, dropping back to 210.
The popular 3.0L V6 Camry is now rated 190 horsepower, down from 225 [GADZOOKS THAT'S A 35 HORSE LOSS!] and the four cylinder Camry is rated 154 horsepower, down from 160. One curiosity of the new SAE system is that horsepower figures won't be rounded to the fives and 10's anymore."...

I see this alot on dyno's. Dyno numbers should be taken with a grain of salt since each dyno is different (i.e. Dynojet, Mustang Dyno, etc.). Most shops like to use STD correction factors instead of SAE correction. The STD correction is a standard correction and the numbers are fixed to that humidity, temperature and altitude WHERE the dyno is. SAE corrects this to a fixed number so everyone should have a fair horsepower and torque reading regardless of where they are, what the temp is or the altitude. STD is about 4-5% higher (better) reading than SAE.

A-Train

 

the keys are the same cause back in July I had an 05' TL as a loaner...... the TPMS does show as ok but when u hit the select button it will show pressure of each tire.... also, figured out handsfree.... it is beautiful.....

 

Honda/Acura will probably give us a new fob when they introduce that "start/stop" button feature (either on the MMC or 4th gen). I have a feeling the Accord may get it before the TL.

 

maybe a stupid question, but could the OEM TPMS be retrofitted to an 04 or 05? Is there a different MID or anything, or just wiring and the TPMS units on each wheel? Is it wired or wireless?

Thanks,
John

 

Real quick. The 3.3L went from 225 to 210(15hp loss, and the 3.0L went from 210 to 190. 20 hp differnce not 35. But yes all cars still perform the same.

 

Its a sensor inside the rim that monitors actual pressure inside the tire. No wires involved. Its about all I know, but if anyone is curious about a retrofit I was thinking about getting my spare dismounted from the rim and shooting some pics of the sensor to see what would be involved.

 

please do. If you can find out how it works in correlation with the MID that would be awesome! If it is wireless, Im sure its just some software that they could update on 04/05 TL's to allow the MID to display the readings from TPMS sensors in each wheel!

Thanks!!

 

Magneto112,

Hey I didn't write the article, it was in Motor Trend (hence the quotes).

Still they were "fudging" the numbers and now everyone knows. 20 HP is substaintial, while the engines are no different than before, consumers will note the loss.

Spool32,

Ok, so it's actually monitoring the tire pressure, not wheel speed. Still, not worth upgrading if you don't already have it. Have we become that lazy! We can't take a $2.00 tire pressure gauge and stab 4 tires while waiting for the gas tank to fill at the service station?

A-Train

 

Circumstances are not the same for everyone. Up north during winter with tempratures of -15C or lower, not including wind chill, who wants to be checking the pressure with a tire gauge. Most of our gas stations are now self-serve with no flow lock on the nozzle, so multitasking is out.

Last winter I had a tire go soft, drove over some roadwork, and ended up needing a new rim and tire. TPMS would have saved me.

 

True, though its one of those things that you dont realize how much more info there is until you have it. I never knew that tire pressure can vary in a 6 lb range like that depending on how warm/cold it is.

Having the tires inflated properly also improves gas mileage. I honestly never check my pressure that often unless it looks like its low. Right now I can tell that two tires have are a fraction of a lb off. A $2 tire guage is going to have a couple lbs of a variance from the little white stick that pops out. I've always had problems getting things exactly on the lb.

The most useful thing though is if you pick up a nail or damage the tire while driving. You instantly know if its losing air, which can save a tire if you would have driven it 100's of miles while low.

You could look at it as a safety issue. You know something is up with the tire long before it shreds to bits on the highway. Many inexperienced drivers lose control and roll their auto due to tire issues. I'm the first person that would like to keep myself alive (one reason I bought the TL for its ***** crash ratings). But theres soon to be a little boy thats going to count on me to be there for him too. I will also feel better that its a safer car to protect him if he's riding with me.

I have a client that had a tire blow out on her on the freeway. She lost control and rolled her vehicle. Luckily she wasnt hurt at all. She's not the type that would have checked her tires, but if some kind of warning popped up and said she had a problem with a tire it would have been a different story.

All just examples and i'm not trying to hack on you for this. Its more of a safety item than it is for convenience/money saver.

Cheers!

-rick

 

I actually am scheduled to meet a dealer in the area and ask to see an 06.... the ipod integration kit in important to me, and i am gonna ask the dealer for details... i wonder what it looks like (basically i want to know how/where they are gonna dock the ipod to the system, since if the news i read is correct, the system is going to make is digital stereo, but most OEM equibments on the market is Mono (like the cassette adapter))

Last week i went to the "taste of lexus" event to test the IS350. Its a nice car, good looking ( i know there are certain disputes about that) and the power does come in handy when i test it on a designated course (306 hp weeeeeeee.........). But according to some leaks from local dealers to load up an IS 350, including Mark Levinson and Navi, is gonna be mid to-upper 40s, which prompted a What The F*** moment for me, since that totally eats into the market for the GS300. The back seat of the IS is small (but then i am just a single dude). They do offer Ipod capability but not full integration if i think correctly.