Black_6spd

I was bored and was curious at what the '06 TL's are going for on cars direct for zip code 90703:
$29,500

I couldn't believe my eyes! That's close to what I bought my TSX for! Then, I decided to check at the prices the 07 TL-S is going for:
$38,500

I immediately asked myself, "Is the TL-S really worth almost 10 grand more for 20hp, wheels, and badging?"

Whenever I even started to calculate the cost of "bulding" a Honda performance model such as the Si, GS-R, and Type R, the stock configuration would always be cheaper and more reliable.

However, in the 2006 base TL's case, wouldn't you arrive at the same HP number with a CAI, pro cats, and pulleys and have thousands more to spare? The same for the Comptech supercharger -- you'd exceed the power of the TL-S.

Am I off-base here with this comparison? Or are the prices still not normalized due to the "newness" of the TL-S? Either way, you'd have to admit that this price discrepancy between two trim levels are much higher than normal.

Phesto

everything your saying is true......the main diffrence I think is the 3.5l RL motor....which isn't so easily (cheaply) done.

Thorin78

I think you're a little off with the comparison. Because in reality, you can put on the CAI into the new Type-S as someone has already done and get a HP improvement.

So if you were to add in the extra components to the Type-S, it would come out to be a better car too.

There are some new features in the new TL as well. But for me, to spend $10k on a TL, I'd rather get the RL, even though it may not be as sporty.

gomezine

i wanted to get the 07 model too, but i paid $28800 for my 06 tl with no navi yesterday. i'm gonna add some tl-s featues and be glad that i saved $10k. but that tl-s sure does look good.

csmeance

technically, you caould spend money just for the appearance or performace, but getting the exact same things such as the navi and and gauges and such would cost more than the car itself.

Nykor

^^ You realize the base RL starts at 45k right? With the tech package it's at 49k. To compare the RL to the TL-S your looking at a 10k differential.

Thorin78

Ya but the RL doesn't sell well so last I heard you can get it in the $41k range.

enigmaos

iTrader: (4)

yeah, if RL is going for $41-45k, then might as well just get an RL. SH-AWD plus all made in Japan. you get so much more from RL. love the illuminated door handles. lol

Thorin78

Edmunds shows TMV Price for San Diego area
2006 RL w/ Tech package
$45,367

2006 RL w/o Tech package
$41,657

2007 Rl w/o tech package
$45,304

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

edmunds TMV isn't always accurate. Deals can be made right now on a RL for about 41k. Heck, I believe one of the moderators traded up for one.

berite100

i think acura is going to get their asses handed to them by the new 07 g35. if you are going to buy it for performance. if you are going to buy it for whole package then no one is going to bother getting the 07 tl s. they would rather pick up the 06tl for the most bang for the buck.

Rpappi

how about waiting alittle while till a few of them wreck and order a 3.5L engine and install it in your car. then you have the 3.5 and alittle cash in pocket. then sell your 3.2L

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

What does your post have to do with this thread? There is specific thread comparing the G and the TL.

Final

Unless you want to bore out 300 CC's of displacement on your 3G TL you wont match up with the TL-S. Your analysis is true, that if you get a CAI and headers you will be in the range of the TL-S, but the TL-S is all N/A hp and if that person was to drop a CAI and headers in as well he would be spanking you.

FLBusa

Just my

If I was in your position... I wouldn't go for TL-S stuff on my 06 TL. You have an '06 TL and that's what it is. Be proud of that!

Then... Go out and get a RonJon body kit and some really kickass wheels and tires. There will be a lot of TL-S owners out there giving YOU compliments on an extremely beautiful an unique TL.

Like I said... Just my lousy

ndabunka

I had an RL WITH Tech package offered to me a short while back for $42K so this is more accurate than the Edmunds site. Sure it was a good deal but as others have stated, they aren't all that appealing to the mass market and therefore the depreciation hit will also probably be bigger. Pair that with the fact my TL is nearly paid for and I don't really want another 36 or 48 month of payments (even under $500/month) I decided to waive the opportunity. However, to the guy who was considering getting the '06 and addiing the TL-S stuff, why not simply buy an older '04 model (which had a higher HP listing of 270HP) and then adding the TL-S peices/parts. '04TL's with low 20K-something mileages can be had WITH NAVI on the open market for around $24-$25K. Add a few basic peices (pulley, CAI, cosmetic, etc) and you get "what appears to be" a $40K car (From the outside) and has nearly the same performance (as a basic 07TL-S). Heck, I even saw someone sellign the super charger for $3K. Drop it on there and you have 320HP or so and you've still saved well over $10K. Yea, I know... I am the SAME guy who thinks that the Benz "posers" who try to simply place AMG bodywork on their cars should be "shot" when they try to "pass their ride off as a TRUE AMG" but that's a little different. True AMG's are "Hand built engines". The new TL-S is simple the 04TL with cosmetics and the RL engine. I say...go for it!

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

All 04-07 TL's have 258 hp (obviously excluding the Type-S). It was measured differently in 04 and 05- that's where the 270 hp # came from.

Sun Diego CL-S

good find. i always use Edmunds along with KBB.

lembowski

iTrader: (1)

Wouldn't procats be a waste on a 07 type-s? I mean it already has the high flow cats on it...............

Thorin78

Gonna trade in your CL-S?

Sun Diego CL-S

i don't know. like most of us CL guys, we would like to have a new Acura coupe. but that just doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime soon. a NSX would be nice but, i won't do that.

varanelli

Apparently, the Pro-Cats are even higher flow than those on the TL-S. From acuranews.com:

Stock TL cats: 900 density
RL and TL-S cats: 600 density
E-Shift Pro-Cats: 200 density

baysic tl

you need to find out if thats all a type s is, just more hp and badging with some rims, cause you said to build a type r you could start with the rs but there's alot more to the car than motor/tranny and five lug...

neuronbob

ya, that was me.

The one thing you can't replace, no matter how much you spend on engine enhancements, is displacement. There is more torque in that 3.5 l engine. If you don't care about that, you can get all the dangly bits of the 2007 TL and attach them to the 2004-06 model to make it at least look like it. Further, you can get the supercharger as noted above and have more output than the TL.

For 38k I had the choice of upgrading to a TL-S or spending a teeny bit more to get an RL....chose the latter. In A-Spec form it's plenty fun to drive, though it is NOT a TL by any stretch.

realfresh

the suspension is different as well right? and if they're both autos, the 07s have revised trannies right?

sorry if i revived this thread

SouthernBoy

Just a slight correction. You can't install headers on a 3G TL with the stock engine.

csmeance

the TL-S has a firmer ride to it, thicker anti-roll bars and the TL-S use the RL trannsmission and motor. I think the manual transmission is new to the acura lineup and is based off the RL 5AT tranny.

vincethe1

06 TL with navi used to go for like 35g sticker, now the 07 TL with navi, same thing...so it's actually 3g more, not 10g, and it's not 20hp, it's 30, and you have 2 tone leather seats, noice cancelation, stronger tranny, stiffer suspension, better resale value vs a modded car, etc....so yes it is worth the extra 3g or so and it is once again the cheapest and most reliable configuration.

vincethe1

are you trying to say the 6-Speed stick in the TL is based on the 5-Speed auto from the RL????? hahahahahha that's impossible, the differences are so emence that if they looked at each-other they wouldn't recognise themselves as both transmissions...

SANS-TLS

also when you build the base tl add about 1500 for 4 piston brembo brakes

pimpin-tl

Nope, so far every review that has come out the TL-S has beat the 07 G35.

drdug27

Theyre are alot of arguments for TL-S verse this and that. in one previous post a guy got a 335 for cheaper monthly payments then my TL-S. Should i have gone with a 335, who knows. At this time of my life i wanted to try an acura on for size. All in All i am very truly impressed with the car and for the exta 3000 i spent on my S than a normal Tl, i couldnt have made a better decision. not only for today but 3 years down the road. Factory specs keep their value and some aftermarkets actualy decrease the value of the car.

leedogg

Modding our TL to imitate the TL-S as closely as possible is a worthy and impressive feat. I dont know about cheaper, but it's definitely a worthwhile goal.

black label

Edmunds is useless until they have a button for "buy it now" or "accept offer", they make money on advertising not buy providing good information (or buying and selling cars).

If you can find a 06 RL, you can get a crazy deal on it. There is no dealer incentive on an 07, so you should expect to pay $4000 more for it (current incentive on an 06 is 4000).

simont53

And improved tranny (auto) with paddle shifting and updated ECU with new shift points and quicker throttle response, and so on.......

the list is alot deeper than most realise, a lot of work went into the type S not just dropping a bigger motor in.

black label

The Active Noise cancellation in the TL S just plain sucks, and this is coming from some one who will rave about the ANC on the RL.

I have tested it in both AT and MT cars and cannot notice a difference is noise. I never thought I'd say it, but ANC is something Bose does best.

Pika817

I find that it does make a difference in how much exhaust boominess there is in the cabin. It doesn't get rid of road/wind/engine noise though.

pimpin-tl

There is a downpipe that attaches itself right to the manifold available.

ndabunka

LOL. I know it's just a typo but...
"Self-attaching" pipes? I need some of that. Do you have any self-installing superchargers lying around as well?

vincethe1

lol