Robert05

So - so so - I've been racing around town reciently in my 05Auto and I've noticed that the past 4 "stop light" races i've had with BMW's (330i's) have all been the same...a) we both look at each other and decide to go b) I take off asap as I know they may be quicker off the start c) they tend to "slow play" the race and let me pull a bit ahead only to try and "burn by me" c) it never happens and all they wind up seeing is my tail lights....I did have one guy pin it off the get go but by 160Km/h I was pulling away...this town is just full of BMW drivers that know nothing about Acura's...

funfun

get my CAI this week and catback next week...should be fun!

special-ed

yeah, since they are dealing with 2006 models and most don't have the cahones to mod the car for fear of messing with the warranty, slap on that cai and exhaust and trust me, these 330i's will be a much easier kill.

nikko

Not trying to bash you or anything but new 330i is faster than TL automatic and almost even with TL stick (stock).
It takes a few mods to beat them but this is a short term solution. Acura TL will have to go into real heavy mods to be able to even keep up with 2007 BMW 330i that will get a brand new engine upped to 272hp (it is estimated that it will be a mid 13s car) or the new BMW 335i (300hp/300lb of torque) which is due this fall.
All in one, Calgary BMW drivers may not know about Acura TL but at the same time Acura TL drivers may not know what's coming ahead from BMW.
Good luck racing bimmers!

CL Platano

I thought the new 330's were 255 hp which shouldnt be a problem for auto TL

nikko

Actually the numbers for auto TL lag behind those of 330i (stick and auto).
The best time I've ever got even with my wife's 2006 auto was 6.4 sec 0-60mph whereas my buddy's new 330i got a consistent 5.6 sec 0-60mph (his 330 is manual but auto has almost similar times).

sbuswell

how are you tracking 0-60 times? 5.6 to 60 in a 330 MT is pretty fast and much faster than any advertized time I have seen. Is your buddies car modded or is he a professional driver? there is no way a stock 330 MT will run 0-60 in 5.6 on the streets.

special-ed

all i can say is this......I've raced my room mates 2006 330i automatic with my 2004 lightly modded (non-sc) TL automatic. We've even switched cars so I was driving his car......TL won every single time. This is all I'm comparing. Don't know what else to say.....case closed.

I'm also curious just how much more cash future bimmer owners will have to fork over for the "new and improved" engines. Any guesses? 15k perhaps? Much more for the model coming late fall? If that's the case and we're talking a different price bracket, I'd gladly pick up a G35 or lexus IS and slap a turbo on it. Goodbye bimmer.

MichaelBenz

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Ya...those beemers are EASY to spank!
Never had a problem whatsoever.

special-ed

Can I get an amen! haha! Nikko.....why does that name sound so familiar. Oh yes, now it's all coming back.....

nikko

Glad you remember bud!

nikko

No mods, bone stock. Actually even Car and Drivers posted the same numbers for E90 330i. Don't go by the numbers advertised by BMW website, they are very conservative.
The worst time I've seen on my buddy's car was 5.74 0-60mph. He does have sport package but I don't think this makes his car faster.BTW these are drag strip times!

CL Platano

Yeah I didn't think the auto TL would have a problem with the E96 330, I've seen a TL spank the E46 330 but never seen a race between the E96. I wanna run my coworkers E96 330xi but he doesn't want to.

bmoreTLS

I don't think the 330 will do a 5.6 either... the IS350 does at least 5.9 and it's much faster than the BMW.

golferboy1862

So the 330's you are racing are pre 2006? I think the new 2006 330's will walk away from your auto TLs. I've had a few want to race off the line (too much traffic so I didn't bother) and they seem to have some giddy up!

Black_6spd

Do you mean E90?

As far as the E46 330i goes, I wonder how the a 6MT TL would do against a ZHP (performance package) E46i 330i?

Any 3rd gen TL go against one? Some lightly modded bimmerforum members claim to beat TL's on a regular basis, but who knows.

nikko

We are talking about new BMW 330 (255hp) not the old one.
Ok, if you don't believe me see below the Car and Driver test results on E90 330i:

C/D TEST RESULTS
ACCELERATION: Seconds
Zero to 30 mph: 1.9
40 mph: 3.0
50 mph: 4.4
60 mph: 5.6
70 mph: 7.7
80 mph: 9.7
90 mph: 11.8
100 mph: 15.3
110 mph: 18.8
120 mph: 22.9
130 mph: 29.1
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.0
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 9.5
50-70 mph: 8.6
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.3 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph

Edward'TLS

Forget about the xi. Anything with AWD system slows down the car considerably. Another 50 or so horsepower is required to be as quick as the 2wd counterpart.

special-ed

like I said, slap on the cai and exhaust (or high flow cats for similar price) since the majority of new bimmer owners probably have never looked at their engine bay except only to look at the fancy engine cover and then happily say adios to the 330i driver while wearing that large grin knowing you saved about $7 grand and still whooped his ass.

ResidualFreedom

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-330i-Timeslip-7719.html
Stock 2006 BMW 330i hitting a 14.9 in the 1/4 @ 94mph


http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-330i-Timeslip-6956.html
2005 BMW 330i DINAN hitting a 14.56 in the 1/4 @ 99.3mph

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-330i-Timeslip-8690.html
Stock 2001 BMW 330i hitting a 14.76 in the 1/4 @ 95.7mph

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-3220.html
04 TL Aspec hitting a 14.3 in the 1/4 at 99mph

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-3.2TL-Timeslip-6891.html
Stock 2002 TL Type-S hitting a 14.9 in the 1/4 @ 90mph

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-8619.html
2004 TL with intake/exhaust/short shifter... hitting a 14.08 in the 1/4 @ 100.65mph
Put this one up against the DINAN

For some reason we don't post our times on this site.... because I know there is a ton of TL-S' that get much much better than the numbers posted on this site for our car..

RUF87

Well, maybe the new 330i will be the one . . . .

Seriously, maybe it will be the one I have to worry about, but we'll have to wait and see. The fact that there is still less than .5 secs between the new 330i's numbers and mine. I really doubt that it'll be enough since we are talking less than a 10th difference between what a "trade rag" result is verses mine.

Right now my record vs 3-series Bimmers is above 13 wins and no losses. That includes a few older M3s and the rest 328i and 330i.

Ruf
02 WDP TLS w/ Black Interior
1/4 mile: 14.46 @96.07MPH
17x7" Konig Appeals SMF
P225/45ZR-17 Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S
(used Ziex 512s for track use only)
Comptech Sways & Springs
Comptech Icebox
Mugen Cooling Mods
Thermoblok
NEO Anti Freeze
NEO Oil 5w-20
Formula 1 Millennium 28% tint
Pending -
UR Pullies
headers - this year maybe?
BBK?

sbuswell

the 2006 330i is 255HP and goes 0-60 in 6.1 secs for the auto, the manual is maybe .1 faster. there is not a large difference in quicker between AT's and MT's for BMW's compared to Acura's. BMW makes a much better sporty auto tranny that shifts much faster than a Honda AT. A friend of mine used to own a 740iL and that things shifts very fast for an auto, now he has a 540i MT and that things hauls ass!

Actuary

3G auto sucks ONLY when it involves fairly long course and speed. Because 2nd and 3rd aren't that usable once you pick up the speed. When I'm on highway, it takes me a while to max out on 3rd and shift into 4th.

However, 1st and 2nd gears are fairly well spaced and anything can happen on races. The other driver may react .2 seconds slower to the gas and that could change the race.

nikko

Hey Actuary..I know that you have automatic transmission...I've noticed this on my previous 2005 TL and now on my wife's 2006 TL, when I cruise at around 140km/h and I floor it takes some time until it gets up to 160km/h and more, it's like it doesn't have enough juice at high speeds and the same goes in SS mode, it's this because the AT is designed this way?

nikko

Seriously I have no reason to BS you guys..I don't have a 330i and therefore no reason to glorify it however I've seen it with my own eyes..my buddy's BONE STOCK manual transmission E90 330i SP does get 0-60 in 5.6 sec.
Moreover the same numbers are displayed by C&D magazine, the same one that rated 3G TL A-Spec for 5.6sec 0-60mph.

acuraz88

I agree with this... 2006 330i (255hp) is no joke... auto or manual.. it should walk away from a 3G auto or manual TL but it should be on par with a manual A-spec.

I frequent the g35 forums and most on there have agreed that the 2006 330i is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile than the g35. However if you are talking about a pre 2006 330i (225) then I would says its a drivers race with a little edge towards a manual TL and with A-spec definitely beating it. With the new 335i coming out soon.. its going to be out of the TL's league unless you have mods. The 335i has quite an impressive engine producing 300 HP and maintaining the same fuel efficiency as the 330i or better.

Edward'TLS

Why is the A-spec has better acceleration performance than the manual TL ? Shouldn't all the additional aero pieces weight the A-spec down ?

MichaelBenz

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Do you know what you are talking about? This statement makes no sense at all? It will walk on either Auto or Manual...but if the Manual has an A-spec pkg it should be on par? Let me guess....you have a manual TL with A-spec kit. lol

Dude....that A-Spec kit does NOTHING for speed man. Not until maybe you are ripping at 100mph plus so you could take advantage of the aerodynamics?

nikko

Then why most magazines that tested Acura TL with A-Spec reported better 0-60mph times than non-A-Spec versions?

acuraz88

Do you know what you are talking about? ... DO i have spell it out for you.. take a look for yourself:

2004 Acura TL TL A- SPEC
0-60 mph, sec 6.0 5.7
1/4 mile 14.44 @ 98.17 14.25 @ 97.81
Braking, 60-0, ft 141v 119
Slalom, mph 62.5 66.1
Skidpad, g 0.77 0.83

And no, I didn't make this sh*t up.. Motor Trend tested the A-spec.. here's the article http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...fications.html

And no, I don't own an A-spec.. even a TL for that matter.. I'm looking to buy one in '07.. depending what they have installed.

Do your research before you make dumb ass comments like that.

levon1830

Maybe the tighter A-Spec suspension prevents the car from squating as much under hard acceleration, which keeps more weight over the front wheels, which allows for better traction, which leads to better acceleration when compared to non A-Spec TLs.

DISCLAIMER: I am speaking entirely outta me poo-maker at the moment, but it seems to make sense.

MichaelBenz

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Oh yes my friend...I do know what I am talking about. I have experienced both A-Spec and Non-A-Spec versions.....car really didnt start getting faster until you started messing with the motor...ie...CAI, ProCats, ect. It started like this....I started with a base model...started with rims/tires...then body kit and suspension a few months later. Ya...the car handled a bit better, ok - a lot better in turns, ect...but from my experience....didnt really start to increase my quarter mile times until I put on the intake and exhaust. THEN I started to see increases....but from base to A-Spec base....handling increased tremendously....but my times were just about the same either way...again...until I started messing with the motor and exhaust.

Now....as far as me "making a dumb ass comment like that"....I would say...hey...its my opinion guy...take it for what its worth? You can read the books and magazines all you want...not discounting these sources whatsoever either....but in my experience....other than handling....I personally saw no increase in HP or torque just because I put on the A-Spec Kit that my meters were able to detect. But again guy...thats just my opinion.... I say...crap....buy the car...check it out...and let us know what you think? Its all good!

Black_6spd

Does the aspec kit include summer tires? If so, it's very possible to have a better 0-60 and 1/4 mi time due to better traction when launching and shifting.

A good example is how much slicks can reduce your 1/4 mile times. I've seen them shave off up to a full second on some cars. Almost everytime a 1/4 mile time is mentioned, it's almost automatic someone asks, "Is that with street tires or slicks?"

MichaelBenz

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Because slicks hook up WAY better than street tires on a drag strip due to the difference in compound used, as well as many other factors.

Actuary

Yeah 3rd is placed very tall. There is so much gap between 2nd and 3rd. I know I can hit almost 110km in 2nd. when 3rd kicks in, car loses much momentum. I believe when you shift from 2nd to 3rd, you end up around 5000RPM. This is big issue at such speed because rate of speed increase is much slower than shifting from 1st to 2nd.

I'd say Autos should stay with low speed or short burst racing like I do. Best chance for autos are racing between 1st to end of 2nd or begining of 3rd.