So I've been racing this guy (friend) since we are 16, he just trade his Altima SE-R 6MT for a red 2007 G35S 6MT. Those new VQ35HR are no joke, they go for 13.9@103 stock...

2nd gear roll is my best bet?

I'm phoqued...

 

get moar bolt ons!

 

I think you'll be dead even from a roll.

Give it a shot, you got nothing to lose! :

 

Did you race one?

103 MPH vs 100 MPH...I think he will walk me in every gear. He's getting the car tomorrow night, I'll make a video...with the passenger in his car

 

I think it'll be dead even because you have shorter throws, your car will put down power instantly between shifts (stiffer suspension, no bucking) and you have a little extra power than your last 100mph trap.

It may just be enough to stick with him .

Would you say you are the better driver?

 

No offense but, I'd be leaning more towards the G from a dead stop.

 

G35 no issue this one, even the 5spd auto 07 G can get you in this case. 2nd gear in the manual 07+ G is strong!

 

PCD's, and a catback



MOAR bolt ons!

 

I've taken this car from a stop before. We did 2 runs, and I took him from a stop both times.

 

tough one............i know the first thought would be the G and believe i would also say the g ...but i've left a couple of cars that i should'nt have with all of the TL's i have owned from the 96 TL...to the 06 TL even now with the 11 TL.......

I'm telling you the TL has this type of balance that other cars don't have..........even sometimes i think it has a ghost lol .......

i've been a main person owning yet cursing the tl because of the competition...and yet have blown away the comp with TL's STOCK ..........

that will be a driver's race

 

It's highly unlikely that he'll know how to drive the car to it's full potential on the first night he gets it. I say go for it and I'd go even further as to say that you stand a good chance. You managed to trap a 100mph flat with just a SRI. I think from a roll, you've got this. You won't destroy him, but I think you'll either stay even with him or pull slightly ahead.

Just remember;
- Put the camera guy in his car
- 1/4 tank of gas in your car, tops
- you honk

 

With the passenger in his car I can see it being pretty even. He may still slightly pull on you though. You will have a shot with PCD/E, but that may be your only hope. My mom's 5AT felt faster than my car, and it was stock.

 

I still think you'll stay even with him, at the minimum. We won't know till you try right?

Hey sonnick, have you ever pulled on any G's or Z's?

 

i didn't see the g35 >S< so yeah you might be phoqued.......but hey i know you will drive you're hardest and you never know ................good luck .....shit i'm rooting for you ....need some more TL's whooping on the comp ........

 

Oh I'm not saying not to try, just trying to be realistic. Yes, I have.

 

lol!

So, 1/4 tank, spare tire and tools out, no cd's, and no food for the next 2 days and I may keep up with those VQ lol...

I watch a lot of videos and they are quick, after 100 mph it keeps pulling hard and Monte TLS said that they're 2nd gear is strong...

 

How much more top end does those mods give Tetuex from that 100 trap with that SRI, I hope a whole lot. Those 07-08 G's in manual can easily trap 103/104 and few 105 stock, autos even trap 101 ish stock. Seen it a many times in person.

 

Give it a try go man. Your friend is not familiar with his new car, take advantage of that!

 

Test pipe + J-Pipe...not a lot and nobody here traps near close to 103-105 with their fully bolt TL 6Mt and TL-S 6MT. I've heard they were underrated as well, more like 315 HP. This car is like a 4 door Z...i guess its time to upgrade the car...

 

Damn, I could see his face when i was pulling his SER in 4th gear and waving him...

 

PCD v3 and a catback.

 

Hi guy’s, It's so funny because I just purchased a TL Type S 6SP 1 month ago and my friend has a 2004 TL 6SP with mods and we raced against his brother that has a G35S 6SP 07 and seriously, forget about the race. The G is in another league... The 2nd gear is just destructive on this car... He did 13.6 at 103 on is first drag test... Good luck anyway! Let's Go Acura

 

13.6-13.7@103-104mph is more common. 13.5s aren't unheard of. The G37 appears to be no quicker. These Gs have gotten silly heavy over the years. My G weighs around 3,350lbs. The RWD G37 comes in at 3,650lbs. Seriously, the car is no bigger than my 1st G. Where are these six 45lb steel plates in the car?

 

I do think that the G37 sedan did get quicker in auto form vs the 07/08 G35 auto trapping a couple mph faster, in manual its a wash as you said..........I also have been trying to figure out that gaining weight theme thats been going on in alot of cars.........the past 9 yrs or so. It seems to me that get more power just to compensate for the extra heft and in return the times remain the same or near the same, and in alot of cases we can't blame it on extra safety equipment as that has not changed a whole lot and as you said the cars are basically the same size......

 

You will lose against the G like most of these guys are saying. Race him for fun anyway and be safe! From a roll is probably your best bet to even come close. If you ran a 14.3@100mph just with short ram then I could see you running 102 or 103MPH with your current mods. Its just from a dig that the G will pull hard due to the torquey nature and RWD. Good luck!

 

^ that may be the case in some models but the newer G37's come with 330HP the 35's were around 280HP .....heavier or not 50 extra horses is a BIG difference........let's say 30 of those horses went to the weight difference there's still 20 extra horses there ..............

Bottom line those G's are beast's .................i even had the pleasure of driving a 2011 G25 even though way way behind in the horse power segment somewhat around 230 if i am not mistaken the pull off and response in that car was kind of surprising.....................

i've also had the op to drive the M37 and the G37 i think out of all the best was the G37 coupe i might add.........their sedans tend to feel bulky IMO ......

i have kept on the tails less than a car length of 6series bm's with my 06 TL .....literally ....i still say it's driver's race.....straight away is one thing ..........having to maneuver is a whole other ball game ....everybody can't handle their cars.........

 

i have more mods than you and ill say that its about a 1+(-) car race with these for me

 

I agree but the 280 hp was the 1st gen 05/06 G Sedan (03/04 as well just underrated), the 07/08's had 306hp.....So manual to manual lets say 07 vs 10 G manual the 24 horses that it has gained since the 07 is washed out by the little extra heft as manual to manual it really tracks no faster. Mid 13's to.7 at 103-105 ish for both.

 

Run from a roll and don't be intimidated, you would be surprised by the results. He will have an advantage from a dig no doubt but that doesn't mean you can't win that way either. If the race runs well past 100 mph you can eliminate nearly all the G's advantage, not saying to do so and if you do be very safe about it.

Yes traps are often a good baseline indicator of top speed but they are not foolproof. There are plenty of examples of cars that are better 1/4 mile and trap cars that lose out once you go past that. 1/4 mile stat are just that, stats from 0-1320 ft but once you change any of those parameters, those stats mean very little. They don't and can't tell you how a car accelerates after that point.

 

^^ While this may be true, the G has better gearing for it's power. While the TL shifts to 4th, the G is at the top of 3rd pulling HARD. If it goes past 100 I'd still expect the G to pull. It has enough power to back up the longer gears, despite being slightly heavier than the TL.

In the end it's still a drivers race. But, the G no doubt has the advantage. Even if he trapped on the lower end of the norm @103 (the G), no 6MT TL has done that yet with FULL bolt ons.

Win or lose, I still think a bolt on TL 6MT is capable of 103-104 traps in the right conditions with the right driver. Our FD really kills us. If we had a 3.6 - 3.8 FD, I'd expect at least 2-3mph more in the 1/4.

 

I don't necessarily disagree Sonnick but all those stats are a great indiactor for the G being a better acclerating 1/4 mile car and it is but take away the dig advantage and give the TL 6MT it's advantage, which is a higher mph run from a roll, particularly through 4th gear, and it becomes a lot more interesting than the stats and normal level of 1/4 mile thinking implies.

I am not saying what is faster or who will win, just that under different parameters, things change and what is originally a disadvantage can become the advanatge and vice versa and I am speaking from extensive personal experience and there are others here who know exactly what I am talking about.

 

The 07+ G35 with the VQ35HR don't have a suffering top end like the prior G. Even the 07+ VQ35DE has improved on the top end (the DE now actually shares the same heads as the HR). I've always been a fan of the J series engine, and historically it's top end has always impressed me, but just be aware that the newer VQs have a very nice powerband and pulls hard all the way to redline. In this case, from a roll, dig, or 100+ race, I give it to the G, however I think you have a chance since the car is still new to him. Take advantage of that!

 

^This is very true, just saying that the normal degree of advantages the G presents can be reduced drastically under different scenarios and that will allow the OP to stand a much better chance, it evens the playing field a bit.

Only saying this because sometimes we are too quick to base it off of stats and 1/4 mile runs when that might not be the case and often a winner is crowned when the race didn't even happen yet.

OP is asking what his realworld chances are and what is the best way to go about it, not who runs better numbers or who we think will win and he didn't ask us to magazine race them, he can do that himself and he did, plus he already knows he at a disadvantage. Not directed at anybody, just saying.

 

CBR 169 trapped 103 in a fully bolted 6MT without the nitrous. Think he had ported intake and runners on top of everything else. My money's on the G here though.

 

I thought this was interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnP_QRWktd4

60'  1.991

330' 5.675

1/8 8.714

MPH 81.30

1000' 11.328

1/4 13.538

MPH 101.58

That was a bone stock automatic. If you were racing this from a high roll instead of the 6spd I could see you slightly pulling on it since it only gains 20.2MPH from the 1/8th mile to the 1/4 mile. My accord V6 auto gained 20.7MPH from the 1/8th mile to the 1/4 mile. From a dig though this G is a beast! I like the 6MT gearing better as it is longer than the 5spd auto gearing.

 

hopefully you win this race bro! Acura power! KEEP UP INFORMED! good luck bro

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbkrWJsEpSE

 

Might be closer than I thought from a roll. Here's that road & track comparo with the is350, tl-s and g. Granted it's a type-s trapping 100 vs the g trapping 101.8, but op did trap 100 with sri only? The g is only 3/10 quicker from 100-120 than the tl.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...S-350_data.pdf

OP, stick a fat cameraman in the g and run 50-120, lol. Start in second gear though.

 

Nice, cant wait to be fully bolted.

 

The TL or TL-S 6MT will get rocked from a 60mph roll. Look at that data. From 60mph to 120mph, the G gets to 120mph nearly 1 second quicker. 1 second doesn't seem like a big deal, but when you're in that loosing car, that 8+ car distance is going to look huge. Right from the start, the G starts steadily walking away.