NetoAzul

So theirs a few hills around here and one has a nice turns, and ups & downs, It was fun and all with my Evo 8. so the limit is 30mph and on my Evo I would do at least 55mph, so I did 40 on my TL and the back end went loose. Did I just tested the limit of my car? or is the suspension just really lacking?

MEKO

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I am going to say we need pictures but even video wouldn't show or explain those seconds

paperboy42190

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you have an 07-08 base tl....softest suspension of ALL 04-08 TL....that's why.

Healingduck

The TL is not a race car.

MrJimmy

^ My thoughts exactly.

vill0169

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You were probably trying to drive your TL like your EVO.....wrong plan and bad idea. I track and race both a TL and an STI and my logic has to change every time I switch seats.

AMUA6

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All wheels pulling vs front wheels pulling.. in tight curves... hmmm

Bearcat94

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/tl-diet-2-0-track-car-build-roll-cage-pg-51-a-805334/

http://www.hondanews.com/channels/vi...2&page_size=20

UA6~RBP

JoeChege

My backend going loose is a different one. It was raining, I was driving to my aunts and I had mashed the gas several times at red lights just to see the VSA light come on to check if it works and it did. So on my way home, the road was still pretty damp and I come to this corner. In my Prelude, I could take the corner doing 35mph in the dry. And since it was dump and TL is heavier, I decided to go 25mph. All over sudden the back end let go and I was on full opposite lock. I was able to correct it without going to a ditch but the back end crossed the double yellow lines. I was really mad that that whole time the VSA didn't kick in!!! Don't trust these marketing gadgets.

paperboy42190

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Vsa allows a small amount of skid before it kicks in. You probably didn't slid very much then. I know for a fact that my vsa will kick in when I make a turn so fast that my tires start making noises. Though that hasn't happened yet, my Michelin ps2's have too much grip

JORTS

Sounds like u need new tires

Bearcat94

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truonghthe

Base 07-08 TL has softest suspension setting and that mean add comfort for daily driving, I have a TL-S the suspension set up is perfect for me and I like it because not too stiff nor too soft (considering I had after market suspension on my previous ride). Your Evo suspension setting probably fall in to category between performance/street setting versus your base TL on comfort setting. According to the forum suspension setting is as following.

A-spec --> TL-S --> 04-06 MT --> 04-06 AT --> 07-08 Base.

NetoAzul

I know its not a race car but, for the back end to get loose that easily I was really disappointed at such low speeds.

UA6~RBP

It could very well be your tires that caused you to slip loose. You need good tires to stand a chance when hugging corners.

NetoAzul

Tires are only like 6 months old son.

pohljm

I can tell you that in so cal running summer tires on my 06, you need to consciously make an effort to break out the rear. if the traction is compromised by sand/gravel/wet then that's different, but dry? no issues. if you are trying to suggest that the suspension of the TL is inferior to the EVO for a road course I would have to disagree. I think your tires are at fault.

DaeHanMeenGuk

what kind of tires are you running on the TL?

NetoAzul

This came with the car when I bought it. but in 17's
http://tires.pmctire.com/ent/sailun-...-100w-blk.tire

paperboy42190

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^ are you serious?! what kind of no name brand tire is that? THAT's why your rear end slid out. dont you understand the importance of good tires? a no name brand tire may cause you to slide out and crash and a good brand tire will let you go through the turn comfortably. I guarantee you if you get some michelin PS2's you will take that turn at 50mph...well maybe you need tl-s suspension too, or some aftermarket coilovers.

DaeHanMeenGuk

i did a search on forums for "sailun"....and this was alll i found:

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-tires-wheels-suspension-97/sailun-atrezzo-factory-replacements-839134/

truonghthe

Made in China yeh? no wonder why your TL loose the rear end. Anyway the rule of thumb for tire grip is rubber compound, the softer compound being used the more grip it offer.

e.g

1. Tread wear: 120 = sport street tires (grip awesome) but tire wear very quick.

2. Tread wear: 440 = all season tires (grip not so great) but tire might last you 30-40k miles depend on your driving style.

3. Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 (which come with my TL)

Tread wear: 300 = Grand Touring All-Season (offer ok grip and quite) tire offer grip and longevity.



I wouldn't buy a tire of no name, I would buy tires that has reputation on the market such as Michellin, Bridgestone, Continental, Dunlop etc.

NetoAzul

I didn't buy them, they came on my car when I bought it, And I think they sell them in Canada but I have no idea how it got to Oklahoma.

Ken1997TL

Shitty tires contributed to FWD oversteer.

sixsixfour

he had more sense than this post. ass tires = no grip.

BaucE

Get new tires, son.

NetoAzul

^^ I will when I get new wheels.

komet

Another thing (which I haven't seen suggested so far) is to check your tire pressures.

I know it sounds stupid, but even if you have the best tires in the world with a decent amount of tread, having no air pressure in them will not do you any good when you quickly shift weight onto or off them in sharp turns. Without the proper air pressure, the tire(s) will behave less like a performance tire and more like a bald all-season.

In my opinion, tire pressure is one of the most over looked maintenance factors out there. Obviously your tire pressure should not be dropping 10 PSI over night, but it's not a bad idea to check them out once a month or every two months.

In addition to tracking your tire pressures, (and like everyone else has said) definitely check out different tires from a more reputable brand. Even though they are on the more expensive side, Michelin makes some excellent tires which offer a good balance between handling, comfort, and bad weather performance. The extra money spent is well worth the safety and performance advantages.

Good luck!

geekybiker

Treadwear rating is only vaguely related to grip. First off treadwear varies quite a bit from make to make. What one calls 220, another might call 180. Second is there are more expensive compounds that wear better and grip better than cheap compounds. Performance tires do tend to have lower tread wear ratings, but I'd never make an assumption just based on that number.

BaucE

Thats a bold strategy. Try and take it easy until then. Stay safe.

Majofo

Tires, RSB, Rear Struts..

I hate cars

Each tire only has so much traction. AWD can help with corner exit. I prefer RWD because it's easier to position the car using throttle. Doesn't matter anyway since the rear got loose. In a FWD, standing on the throttle around a corner will only make the front push, the rear will stay in place.

It's the tires, not the car. VSA can't turn the steering wheel for you. All it can do is modulate the throttle and brakes. It's ok at stopping a very small slide from turning into a spin but it does practically nothing for a real slide.
Finally.

Tires.
They still suck.
FWD naturally understeers. You can make it oversteer if you really try but not without abrupt lift throttle at the cornering limit. A larger RSB brings it closer to neutral or oversteer depending on the rest of the suspension.
Tire pressure makes a small difference. I use it sometimes for fine tuning the balance but no large differences should be noticed unless they are severely under or over inflated.

Agreed. My tires have a 200 tread wear but I'm lucky to get 18,000 easy miles out of them. Less if I'm having fun. I've had them go in 12,000 miles even without a track day. They behave much more like a 100 tread wear tire in both the grip and the wear.

For the rest, the tires are the single most important item for grip. The rubber compound determines the grip, even in the rain. Tread only begins to matter when the speed combined with water depth and tire width produces hydroplaning. This is where the tread design and depth is important. Below the hydroplaning threshold grip is determined solely by rubber compound. Extreme performance summer tires do very well in the rain.

geekybiker

Mostly. Tread block size and design also influences the contact patch stability. That affects grip.

I hate cars

I was speaking only in the wet. It has a very small influence due to the decreased traction.

komet

I probably should of been more specific. However, I was thinking that the OP's tires might be decently low on air pressure because he recently bought the car and I highly doubt the original owner cared too much about tire pressure considering he was running some no-name tires in the first place.

I hate cars

I'm just bored at work, commenting on everything, don't mind me lol.

NetoAzul

I running them at 36PSI, and the dealership bought the tires not me. If i were to buy some new rubber i would go for some
falkens or Hankook tires because i've had them before on my S4 an Evo and did very well all year round.

jwr0ng626

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^till then, you can't complain about your back end getting loose

The car or suspension is not lacking.

TheChamp531

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Even though the tires aren't THAT hazardous:

Safety > Aesthetics

All day everyday.