ATF - Drain vs. Fill amounts.
09-16-2011, 03:41 PM
#1
95518
Thread Starter
ATF - Drain vs. Fill amounts.
This morning I did a drain fill on my '07 TL.
Something I noticed and thought to ask...
As I was draining the tranny oil, it seemed to drain more than the 1/3 that it's supposed drain, i was a bit taken back...and thought maybe because I wasn't paying attention...
Than I came to refill what I drained and it needed more than the 3 quarts I thought I took out.
I did all this at my buddies shop on a lift. so while the TL was on the lift, I called a local shop getting a spec on the exact amount to refill the tranny (after checking in their computer) they said it was 3.3 quarts...???
So I filled it just the 3 quarts checked the levels and it was below the 2 holes on the dipstick. (not by much)
I panicked a bit, because when the car was on the lift (tires were not in contact with the ground) i tried to push the accelerator pedal and wasn't getting acceleration....ZEROOOO ...then I decided to call the Acura dealership, asked them the same question and the lady ranted for a bit and said 3 quarts. she also mentioned that if I was doing a complete flush it's a total of 12 quarts ..??? again!
my questions:
have you who have done this, needed more than 3 quarts at a time per fill/drain?
was this lady correct in saying a total of 12 quarts for a complete flush?
what may have caused the no acclearation while it was on the lift? (I did have the VSA on and off to make sure that wasn't the issue)
Thanks in advance all...
Something I noticed and thought to ask...
As I was draining the tranny oil, it seemed to drain more than the 1/3 that it's supposed drain, i was a bit taken back...and thought maybe because I wasn't paying attention...
Than I came to refill what I drained and it needed more than the 3 quarts I thought I took out.
I did all this at my buddies shop on a lift. so while the TL was on the lift, I called a local shop getting a spec on the exact amount to refill the tranny (after checking in their computer) they said it was 3.3 quarts...???
So I filled it just the 3 quarts checked the levels and it was below the 2 holes on the dipstick. (not by much)
I panicked a bit, because when the car was on the lift (tires were not in contact with the ground) i tried to push the accelerator pedal and wasn't getting acceleration....ZEROOOO ...then I decided to call the Acura dealership, asked them the same question and the lady ranted for a bit and said 3 quarts. she also mentioned that if I was doing a complete flush it's a total of 12 quarts ..???
again!my questions:
have you who have done this, needed more than 3 quarts at a time per fill/drain?
was this lady correct in saying a total of 12 quarts for a complete flush?
what may have caused the no acclearation while it was on the lift? (I did have the VSA on and off to make sure that wasn't the issue)
Thanks in advance all...
09-16-2011, 03:59 PM
#2
Got to get the fluid hot and go through the gears to make a correct assessment on fluid level. Also, the TL will not, in some cases go beyond 2nd gear when the wheels are off the ground.
2008:
The original procedure was written for simpler A/Ts that readily up shifted when you ran the vehicle on a lift. But A/Ts have come a long way since then, and most of the newer ones balk at shifting past 2nd gear when on a lift, unless you work the shift lever a certain way.In light of all this, we thought it was high time that the A/T flushing procedure got a facelift. So here’s the latest word on flushing that works for all A/Ts:
1. Set the parking brake, and raise the vehicle on a lift.
2. Drain the trans, and refill it with Acura Precision Crafted ATF-Z1. Refer to the applicable S/M or to ISIS for details.
3. Start the engine, shift into Drive, and release the parking brake.
4. Push down on the accelerator pedal to raise the vehicle speed to 2,500 rpm.
• If the trans shifts past 2nd gear, go to step 5.
• If the trans won’t shift past 2nd gear, keep the engine speed at 2,500 rpm and shift from Drive to Neutral and back to Drive. Then go to step 5.
5. Make sure that the trans shifts through all the forward gears and goes into torque converter lockup.
6. Let off the accelerator pedal, and press the brake pedal to drop the vehicle speed to zero. Shift into Reverse and then into Neutral.
7. Shift into Drive, and repeat steps 4 thru 6 four more times.
8. Set the parking brake, and repeat steps 2 thru 6 two more times.
9. Drain the trans, and reinstall the drain plug with a new sealing washer.
10. Refill the A/T with ATF-Z1.
2008:
The original procedure was written for simpler A/Ts that readily up shifted when you ran the vehicle on a lift. But A/Ts have come a long way since then, and most of the newer ones balk at shifting past 2nd gear when on a lift, unless you work the shift lever a certain way.In light of all this, we thought it was high time that the A/T flushing procedure got a facelift. So here’s the latest word on flushing that works for all A/Ts:
1. Set the parking brake, and raise the vehicle on a lift.
2. Drain the trans, and refill it with Acura Precision Crafted ATF-Z1. Refer to the applicable S/M or to ISIS for details.
3. Start the engine, shift into Drive, and release the parking brake.
4. Push down on the accelerator pedal to raise the vehicle speed to 2,500 rpm.
• If the trans shifts past 2nd gear, go to step 5.
• If the trans won’t shift past 2nd gear, keep the engine speed at 2,500 rpm and shift from Drive to Neutral and back to Drive. Then go to step 5.
5. Make sure that the trans shifts through all the forward gears and goes into torque converter lockup.
6. Let off the accelerator pedal, and press the brake pedal to drop the vehicle speed to zero. Shift into Reverse and then into Neutral.
7. Shift into Drive, and repeat steps 4 thru 6 four more times.
8. Set the parking brake, and repeat steps 2 thru 6 two more times.
9. Drain the trans, and reinstall the drain plug with a new sealing washer.
10. Refill the A/T with ATF-Z1.
09-16-2011, 05:25 PM
#3
KingKong_Dav
that is funny too because mitchell ondemand says the TYPE S tranny was 8 qts but it wasnt really it took 3.2 qts. funny now i refill with 3 qts.. but measure the dip stick
09-16-2011, 06:53 PM
#6
Team Owner
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When I did mine last month I drained out about 3 qts but needed close to 3.5 to get it back to between the 2 holes on the dip stick. I've checked it about 5 times since and it is right in the middle.
09-16-2011, 09:40 PM
#7
Team Owner
Just check the dipstick and fill as needed. The car wouldn't accelerate on the lift because traction control was not letting it. Turn VSA off and it will be fine.
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09-17-2011, 01:01 PM
#8
09-17-2011, 09:08 PM
#9
95518
Thread Starter
To all of your points...
I've done the tranny drain fill a few times over the years...
on my 2000 TL...it was a perfect 3 quarts drain and 3 quarts fill...no more no less
my concern is on the 2007 TL...
could the lack of acceleration be attributed to the fact that the transmission oil drained more than the 1/3 i thought it was going to drain and didn't fill it enough???
now if I did do a complete flush of the system, is it a full 12 quarts that's required? because as i've read before that these transmission are designed to drain a 1/3 of the oil at a time...meaning a total of 9 quarts?
I've done the tranny drain fill a few times over the years...
on my 2000 TL...it was a perfect 3 quarts drain and 3 quarts fill...no more no less
my concern is on the 2007 TL...
could the lack of acceleration be attributed to the fact that the transmission oil drained more than the 1/3 i thought it was going to drain and didn't fill it enough???
now if I did do a complete flush of the system, is it a full 12 quarts that's required? because as i've read before that these transmission are designed to drain a 1/3 of the oil at a time...meaning a total of 9 quarts?
09-17-2011, 10:19 PM
#10
Team Owner
If it reads full on the dipstick, it's not a fluid level issue. The capacities in the manual are approximate. The dipstick has the final say.
It's simple. Check the dipstick.
It's simple. Check the dipstick.
09-22-2011, 11:52 AM
#11
Instructor
Got to get the fluid hot and go through the gears to make a correct assessment on fluid level. Also, the TL will not, in some cases go beyond 2nd gear when the wheels are off the ground.
2008:
The original procedure was written for simpler A/Ts that readily up shifted when you ran the vehicle on a lift. But A/Ts have come a long way since then, and most of the newer ones balk at shifting past 2nd gear when on a lift, unless you work the shift lever a certain way.In light of all this, we thought it was high time that the A/T flushing procedure got a facelift. So here’s the latest word on flushing that works for all A/Ts:
1. Set the parking brake, and raise the vehicle on a lift.
2. Drain the trans, and refill it with Acura Precision Crafted ATF-Z1. Refer to the applicable S/M or to ISIS for details.
3. Start the engine, shift into Drive, and release the parking brake.
4. Push down on the accelerator pedal to raise the vehicle speed to 2,500 rpm.
• If the trans shifts past 2nd gear, go to step 5.
• If the trans won’t shift past 2nd gear, keep the engine speed at 2,500 rpm and shift from Drive to Neutral and back to Drive. Then go to step 5.
5. Make sure that the trans shifts through all the forward gears and goes into torque converter lockup.
6. Let off the accelerator pedal, and press the brake pedal to drop the vehicle speed to zero. Shift into Reverse and then into Neutral.
7. Shift into Drive, and repeat steps 4 thru 6 four more times.
8. Set the parking brake, and repeat steps 2 thru 6 two more times.
9. Drain the trans, and reinstall the drain plug with a new sealing washer.
10. Refill the A/T with ATF-Z1.
2008:
The original procedure was written for simpler A/Ts that readily up shifted when you ran the vehicle on a lift. But A/Ts have come a long way since then, and most of the newer ones balk at shifting past 2nd gear when on a lift, unless you work the shift lever a certain way.In light of all this, we thought it was high time that the A/T flushing procedure got a facelift. So here’s the latest word on flushing that works for all A/Ts:
1. Set the parking brake, and raise the vehicle on a lift.
2. Drain the trans, and refill it with Acura Precision Crafted ATF-Z1. Refer to the applicable S/M or to ISIS for details.
3. Start the engine, shift into Drive, and release the parking brake.
4. Push down on the accelerator pedal to raise the vehicle speed to 2,500 rpm.
• If the trans shifts past 2nd gear, go to step 5.
• If the trans won’t shift past 2nd gear, keep the engine speed at 2,500 rpm and shift from Drive to Neutral and back to Drive. Then go to step 5.
5. Make sure that the trans shifts through all the forward gears and goes into torque converter lockup.
6. Let off the accelerator pedal, and press the brake pedal to drop the vehicle speed to zero. Shift into Reverse and then into Neutral.
7. Shift into Drive, and repeat steps 4 thru 6 four more times.
8. Set the parking brake, and repeat steps 2 thru 6 two more times.
9. Drain the trans, and reinstall the drain plug with a new sealing washer.
10. Refill the A/T with ATF-Z1.
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