07tlsWDP

so..friend has a maxima and is convinced that he'll kill my TLS..i know them maximas are quick but against a TLS?..i mean even a TL?..seriously right?

by the way..the maxima has an intake and mines straight stock
both automatics..

who'd win?

iforyou

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It will be a close race. How much does a Maxima gain with an intake?

FiveLiterCheater

I thought the VQ's lose power with an intake...and given that you're both auto, i'd say you would win.

kosstick

it will be close no one will own no one.. Just like half a car max maybe?

03bl AC k CL

you should be able to take him... dont expect to walk him though.

erick3

hm...that's the newest generation right?
took one a few days ago...we were dead even from 50 to around 110...

Monte TLS,MAX

Will be a very close I ran one in my 5.5 gen stock at light on 121 in Grapevine week before last and it was damn close.

Monte TLS,MAX

No its the last gen with the clear rear lights and HID's with the 3.5.

sbuswell

I think you'll beat him pretty easily. 286HP vs. 255HP. Maxi weighs about 200lbs less but that's not enough of a difference. A stock TL 5AT is about as fast as a stock 5.5G Maxi 4AT. We all know a 3G tl-s is noticeably faster than a 3G tl-p.

ILLustriousUA6

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U SHOULD win.. Learn to brake-torque, master it and you are set.. post a vid

EL19

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ull win...my 2nd gen TLS is the same speed as the 5.5 gen max...and the 3rd gen TLS is obviously faster than the 2nd gen...

06 Acura TL A-Spec

I would say you would burn the 5.5 Gen. I used to own 5.5 auto and i couldnt beat the 2nd gen TL Type S.

Eoanou

Just use SS to better your chances and don't screw up.

ib18c1

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just use ss mode and shift close to ur redline...
from a freeway run, i was able to hang with a 6mt from 55mph to 90ish mph and im 5at while he was 6mt....TL-S obviously are faster than my base TL...so you should have np

Go90go

Do it too long and the engine retards timing, adds fuel, and you lose power, . One half to one second before launching should do the trick, though. Try and not to spin too much off the line; your launch is the most important.

~Cheers~

iforyou

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^ I just learned something new today

Dave_B

I'll say the Maxima wins. I've see numerous accounts of stock and very lightly modded 5.5 gen autos running 14.4-14.6s@94-96mph which is better than most 6MT TLs on this site. Seeing that the 5AT in the Acura is poorly geared, I don't see an auto TL or TLS hanging with the Maxima. It could be close, but I still see the 5.5 gen ahead.

ILLustriousUA6

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so.. brake torque is not a good method to launch our cars??

Go90go

Under load, the ECU retards timing and when it retards timing, it adds fuel. Same thing goes for when you start to lean the fuel, your timing goes advanced. Brake torquing is fine just don't sit there holding it, you know? It's not a 2-step, haha!

~Cheers~

Go90go

Stupid time limit on editing...

I bogged once off the line against a stock 3.2TL because the light didn't turn when I expected it to, but once the ECU cleared up and leaned out the fuel, I started pulling... HARD. I broke traction at 5K RPM to 6500, and had to start tapping the gas pedal before I hooked again. Off the line, he got a fender on me but I remember passing him and seeing the look on his face when he heard and saw my tires spinning at 40MPH, haha.

~Cheers~

P.S. I blew a motor once by advancing the timing too much. I started detonating and soon enough, the motor called it quits. Poor A20... 3 valves/cylinder FTW!!

EL19

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the auto 5.5 gens are geared wayyyy worse then the TL's...they have nothing after 2nd gear and they only have 4 gears...im not sure about the 3rd gen TLs but my 2nd gen TLS which is supposedly the same specs as my 3nd gen TL smokes the 5.5 gen auto max mod for mod...wen i raced one stock it was dead even but my TLS always pulls on the 2 i race consistently mod for mod...The 3rd gen TLS will smoke it

sbuswell

I agree the 5.5G Maxi AT's are not geared well. My sisters boyfriends has an 03 4AT and my 99 TL-P(well modded) spanks it every time. I actually think the 4AT in my car is geared better than the 4AT in his car, which really sucks for him.

Dave_B

The 4AT in the Maxima is poorly geared, but the VQ35DE's fat powerband and healthy low and midrange torque somewhat make up for it's lack of torque multiplication. As for a TL-anything hanging with the 5.5 Max auto, mod for mod, no way in hell. There are 5.5 Max autos with modded intakes, headers (25whp alone), ECUs, and catbacks that are in the 13.7-13.9 range. I don't see many modded 6MT TLs in that range. Do you guys? Someone just posted that their stock 6MT TL-S did 14.4s@98mph at Moroso this week which is right in line with what other 6MT TL-S' have been posting. If the TL-S is the pinnacle of TL performance, it's got a long way to go because bonestock 6MT 5.5 gen Maximas have been posting 14.1-14.4s for over 6 years now and in modded form they're DEEP into the 13s.

I don't doubt you guys are beating 5.5 gens, but on average at the strip where is really matters and is legit, the 5.5 Maxima tends to be a bit quicker than the TL.

iforyou

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But you are also forgetting what not many people are driving the new TL-S. How many Maximas do you see a day, vs how many TL-S do you see? I don't know about the states, I see 5.5 gen max countless times a day, and if I am lucky, I see 1 TL-S every 3 days. Obviously there are way more 5.5gen Max than TL-S, and that usually means there are more modded maximas on the street too..and what I think it's pretty obvious what that means...

We only have 2 pages of 1/4mile timeslips in our forum, that's very little compared with G35 (last time I checked, which was last year it had like 24 pages) and Maxima forums. Yet, with oonly 2 pages, we already have 2 6MT TL, slightly modded in the 13's. It's too early to conclude what the TL-S can do with a few mods, it's too new and there aren't enough on the street to really prove anything. The bottom line is it can do very low 14's @ over 100mph.

Again, on average, there are way more 5.5 gens on the street (even though not a lot compared to say..Civics) than TL-S. So that really doesn't prove anything.

Go90go

Back in SF, I see more Maximas than 3G TL-S, but I see a good number of TL-Ps. Not too many modded ones besides the youngsters I know.

~Cheers~

jumbosizeme79

i got to drive a 3.5 maxima, i say you would killll, the acceleration is soooo slow compared to the tl-s i flored it up to 105, and damn it took a while...

FiveLiterCheater

6MT TL-S running 14.4? I've seen 6MT TL's running low 14s(theres even one guy on here that ran 13.9 with just an intake) I don't know where you pull your information, but its funny how it always seems to be biased towards anything Nissan related.

iforyou

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^ there are some people running 14.4s in TL-S (people who are new to drag racing), but then there are also countless of 5.5 gen maximas that run in the 15's....

FiveLiterCheater

I'm not doubting that....but when you compare cars, you don't compare stats of those who cannot drive.

iforyou

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^ exactly, I hope Dave B would understand that..

Dave_B

Umm...you 1/4 mile thread? This section with a simple search? You've got one guy running 13s with a modded TLS. Wow. In the mags and on this site, the TLS 6MT is posting 98-100mph traps. With FWD, that's a lower 14 second ride. Nissan have been doing that since the spring of 2002 and there are bone stock 03/05 G35s that have been seeing 13.8-13.9@101mph.

Dave_B

Go read the 1/4 mile forums at Maxima.org. You'll be amazed at the times and just how easy it is to get a 5.5 gen Maxima, regardless of tranny, into the 13.5 range with NA mods.

iforyou

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I think you should read the 1/4mile thread again...there are 2 normal TL 6MT (non type S) that are running in the 13's with simple mods. And again, there's only 2 pages in that thread, what does that mean? Pretty obvious, it means not many people have tried drag racing their TL's. And what does that mean? The probability of getting a good time is slim. Make sense?

Again, the new accord with a DETUNED, as in less hp/torque is posting 102mph, on BOTH edmunds and C&D, I don't know a proof that's better than that. And again, in C&D, the TL-S is posting 101mph (and please dont say, oh only one magazine, which doesn't mean anything).

Bone stock CL-S has been posting low 14s since 2001 (yes, that's earlier than spring of 2002), check C&D comparison with 330ci for proof. 7th gen accord 6mT have also been posting lower 14's.

And just how many maximas are out there compared with 3rd gen TL-S? Again, from what I've seen, 5-10 max a day, at most 2 TL-S in a week. See the difference? Besides, aren't we talking about a 5.5gen maxima with intake? Why are we bringing in maxima that has modS? And I believe that on the G35, intake actually hurts power, if that's also true with the maxima...then I think the result is pretty obvious.

FiveLiterCheater

Its actually just a 6MT base TL with an intake....I don't really consider that a mod. Just goes to show what the right driver can do. I've seen *STOCK* 6MT's run 14.1/14.2 So if he got the 6MT base TL to run a 13.9 how do you figure a car with more power and torque will run a 14.4?

And I love how you say base everything non-nissan related to the media, and everything nissan related to various forums and see what others are doing lol

iforyou

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http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...threadid=34925

Check this site out, from a BMW forum, to avoid any bias.

CL Type S 6MT stock: 14.11 at 95.9 mph w/ 2.181 60'

That's in the summer by the way, and the CL had stock Michelin Mud+snow tires, not even high performance summer tires (which I am sure will cut some time).

That thread also proves that a better driver is more important than the car, the driver who was driving the CL also drove his friend's S2000, the owner could only get 14.2@100mph, 2.07 60', but with a better driver, it did 13.66 at 99.8 mph w/ 1.861 60'. That's more than 1/2 second of difference, and the owner wasn't a newbie either.

So conclusion is, don't use the time from a newbie as reference...makes sense to me...

Go90go

Damn straight!!

~Cheers~

iforyou

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and not to mention that the CL-S only had 1000 miles on it, who knows what it can do if it had around 10000 miles as well as some summer tires...

whether it's street racing, or drag racing at the track, the driver is more important than the car...

Monte TLS,MAX

5.5 gens pull good in 3rd gear, 4th is ok and the TL's do not pull well in 4th gear at all, so they both have there weaknesses.

Dave_B

No surprise here. The car was run at ATCO where the air is nearly 20% nitrous. There are stock 06 Z06s on DRs running 10.9s (yeah, 10.9s), bonestock 98 Cobras that have run 13.4s, stock LS1 F-bodies that ran 12.8s, stock 6MT Maximas running 14.0, and stock 350Zs (autos and 6MTs) that have run 13.6s at ATCO. Case in point, that track is quick as hell. Do some research and you'll what I'm talking. If you see an exceptional time for any car, take note if the runs were done at any of the following tracks:

ATCO
E-town
Moroso
Silver Dollar Raceway
HRP
Sacramento
Alabama International
Basically any track in Canada (by far the quickest tracks, on average)

Anyways, I've never disputed low 14s out of the 6MT TLs or CL-S 6MT. The power is there. But the new TL-S is heavy and isn't making a whole lot more than before. If you've ever been to the strip, you'd know that MPH is basically impossible to screw up. It's ET that varies by a wide margin. You can run 14.1s@100mph or 14.7s@100mph and the only difference is 60'. MPH is available HP. To get a TL-S solidly into the 13s is going to DRs because 99-100mph traps isn't going to cut it. Even 101mph. It's going to take a mid 1.9 60' and that's not happening on FWD street rubber.

TwinTurbo335

I don't really see much stock TL getting into the 13s range. Most of the TL get into the low 14s to high 14s depending on the transmission. TL isn't really a fast car. People buy it for the luxury and sporty.