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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 09:31 PM
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3rd gen TLs are having tranny issues,

So be easy on them guys. This is from a guy I know that is a Acura Master Tech in Cali. He asked me to send this to you guys.

Also remember most trannys CL/TL don't die till around 15k. Just give it time. They haven't been revised. And they are putting Remans in which don't last near as long either. If you look at the last picture, next to the coolant hose on the left, the last 2 letters on it say RM, meaning Remanufactured. He also have replaced another once since this as well.

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I do around 1K trannies a year on CLs and TLs, I do about 2 MDXs a week now that the MDX trans recall is around. I did a few TSX trans recalls but according to our boss we aint got any more left- GOOD cause I hate doing them. I have replaced one 04 TL tranny with 5K miles on it cause it was slipping into 3rd gear, also the tranny I put in the car was a REMANUFACTURED trans. Look at the BLUE paint on the bolts, see ??? now all ya 2nd gen TL people go out, open the hood on your cars- Original tranny has no blue bolts on it, the REMAN ones have blue bolts holding- if they got them tight at the factory.... holding the case together.

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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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Dunno what to say...

Since you've carefully monitor our forum, you should know we seemed to have four members' trannies replaced or repaired. Meanwhile, Acura has sold more than 54k 04TLs this month, there could be always a few 04TL having tranny problems. Based on this percentage, your friend, Master Tech in one of the dealership in West Coast, should be very happy he doesn't have to work like dogs anymore to replace it as he has done millions for 2G TLs in the past.

The totaly numbers of 04TL RM trannies could be less than G's or other Luxury models' at this moment.

Thanks for your pictures and your friend. I wonder if those four members having trannies replaced do see those blue bolts yet?? Please feedback to us.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 09:52 PM
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Seems like you've reported this several times, as told from the same Master Tech. I haven't seen anyone else reporting these problems, at least not yet. There's no denying that some of our transmissions are going to be defective and are going to be replaced. (If the rate was even a SMALL 1%, that would be over 500 transmissions!) The same holds for engines and any other part in the car. The same holds true of any car on the road. You'll never see a rate of 100% perfection in all mechanical parts of this complexity. The question becomes whether it is a significant number, i.e., more than would be expected from the typical or average automatic transmission. The 2nd generation had a significant problem, and Acura is extending the warranty on those. I don't think there is any real evidence yet of a large number of 3rd gen. transmissions failing. If Acura let this happen, after KNOWING of the problem from previous designs, they must be among the most incompetent automotive engineers on Earth. So, personally, I'll wait and see before trying to spread the word on something that may not be true.

Does one or two 3rd gen. tranny problems indicate they are all going to have problems? Hardly. (Even all 2nd gen. trannys didn't have problems).
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 09:56 PM
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Hmmmm.....I hope this is just FUD. It also appears to refer mostly to the 2G TLs (mentions ONE 3G TL), which really DO receive remanufactured trannys--just go on over to the 2G part of the board and they'll tell you that.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverBulletCLS
So be easy on them guys. This is from a guy I know that is a Acura Master Tech in Cali. He asked me to send this to you guys.

Also remember most trannys CL/TL don't die till around 15k. Just give it time. They haven't been revised. And they are putting Remans in which don't last near as long either. If you look at the last picture, next to the coolant hose on the left, the last 2 letters on it say RM, meaning Remanufactured. He also have replaced another once since this as well.
Wow! Hi-res photos of ONE replaced tranny!!! i should go sell my '04 TL now!

I agree w/ Rets .. until you look at the bigger picture and get more feedback from current owners, you have nothing important to tell us. So, what, you're the one informing us of all the new problems we should expect w/ our '04's now that you're in an Infiniti? Perhaps you should move on to the Infiniti forums were you can discuss the "Problem-free" nature of the car, and its "100% reliablity" as per your signature.

Best of luck to you.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 10:07 PM
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LOL look who posted this. I am sure some G35 trannies have been replaced as well. You can't have every car come out perfect... thats why there is a new car lemon law.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 10:22 PM
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Wow! Hi-res photos of ONE replaced tranny!!! i should go sell my '04 TL now!

I agree w/ Rets .. until you look at the bigger picture and get more feedback from current owners, you have nothing important to tell us. So, what, you're the one informing us of all the new problems we should expect w/ our '04's now that you're in an Infiniti? Perhaps you should move on to the Infiniti forums were you can discuss the "Problem-free" nature of the car, and its "100% reliablity" as per your signature.

Best of luck to you.
This wasn't meant to start anything. It was meant to be more information for you guys. I use to own a CL-S, so I know how it is. The pics give everyone a nice idea what the TL looks like under as well in a way.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 10:41 PM
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For that being an 04. It sure looks like it has been ridden hard and put to bed wet.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 10:51 PM
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THis is BS
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverBulletCLS
This wasn't meant to start anything. It was meant to be more information for you guys. I use to own a CL-S, so I know how it is. The pics give everyone a nice idea what the TL looks like under as well in a way.

So what information are we supposed to come away with? Our transmissions are defective? Nice repair photos? I'm just not sure what, if anything, can be concluded here. I'm sure there are dealerships that have replaced an engine or two, also.
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That car looks like it just got done doing some 4x4ing.
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Debating back and forth is meaningless. Time will tell.
Yep, someone resurrect this thread in a year.
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Thomwarn
THis is BS
This is BFS! These are probably pics of the demo TL that got ragged out by the salesman of the month who drove it home because he moved three cars in one day. How many RM trannys are they going to have available on a new model year?

How many recalls will require the entire drivetrain to be replaced? Which can evidentally give your car blue balls...uhh...blue bolts. The MDX didn't require a full tranny replacement. The Honda Odyssey had the same recall. The fix for the MDX and the Odyssey was to replace one tranny oil return line. Not a wholesale replacement of the transmission.

Get a life.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 11:23 PM
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Its total Bull$hit. One tranny doesn't indicate a problem. However, take a look at 6-speed g35 problems and that my friends, is ONE HUGE problem. The trannies are like glass and many many G35s, coupes, and Zs suffer from it. Grinding 2nd gear is the first indication and then the dealer just replaces it because it is so common. How do I know, because I OWN a g35 coupe and have been keeping up with the problem on 3 different forums. I decided the auto was the way to go due to heavy traffic. They have changed the 6-speeds on the upcoming Gs and Zs.

Watch Silverbullet's tranny go and he will be the biggest hater of the G35.
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This just in...

Al Quida forces are responsible for sabotaging the 3rd gen trannies. If you hear grinding in 3rd gear immediatly stop the car, get our and run
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 12:18 AM
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The truth, clearly hurts. Its one thing to deny people debating but here, we have pics of an 04 Tl getting a new tranny already. Only time will tell if this problem gets worse.
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 01:11 AM
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1sicklex I had a tranny replaced on my SC430 with 4500 miles on it, which I sold right after it was replaced. It was just a bad tranny, doesnt mean that Lexus has a weak or defective transmission in their SC430's.
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 01:42 AM
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all i gotta say is that, ppl knew that 2nd TLs were having tranny issues, and they (including me ) still decided to buy 3rd gen TL and Acura already sold 50+ TLs and thats A+ for Acura.

I dont think it'll effect my decision on buyin another honda/acura product even if they continue to have tranny problems.

I just came to work now in my TL hehehe man i love this car
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
The truth, clearly hurts. Its one thing to deny people debating but here, we have pics of an 04 Tl getting a new tranny already. Only time will tell if this problem gets worse.
oh please
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Originally Posted by AcuraTLjaTT559
all i gotta say is that, ppl knew that 2nd TLs were having tranny issues, and they (including me ) still decided to buy 3rd gen TL and Acura already sold 50+ TLs and thats A+ for Acura.

I dont think it'll effect my decision on buyin another honda/acura product even if they continue to have tranny problems.

I just came to work now in my TL hehehe man i love this car


Yes....2gen TL had major problems with the tranny from threads I read here plus from magazine and friends telling me the same thing. I would of thought HONDA would of fixed up this problem for the 3rd Gen. I hope they did!!!
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 01:59 AM
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Honda/Acura is not stupid to put the same tranny from the 2nd gen in the 3rd gen. Honda/Acura is not stupid to put defective transmissions in the 3rd gen. They will/can not let this happen again.
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Originally Posted by 6mtV6
Honda/Acura is not stupid to put the same tranny from the 2nd gen in the 3rd gen. Honda/Acura is not stupid to put defective transmissions in the 3rd gen. They will/can not let this happen again.

Maybe HONDA has not come up with a good reliable Auto Sequential sport shift yet. The HONDA Prelude had alot of tranny problems too besides the 2nd Gen TL.
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ed99

Maybe HONDA has not come up with a good reliable Auto Sequential sport shift yet. The HONDA Prelude had alot of tranny problems too besides the 2nd Gen TL.

my Legend's tranny is so good though...
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This is BFS! These are probably pics of the demo TL that got ragged out by the salesman of the month who drove it home because he moved three cars in one day. How many RM trannys are they going to have available on a new model year?

How many recalls will require the entire drivetrain to be replaced? Which can evidentally give your car blue balls...uhh...blue bolts. The MDX didn't require a full tranny replacement. The Honda Odyssey had the same recall. The fix for the MDX and the Odyssey was to replace one tranny oil return line. Not a wholesale replacement of the transmission.

Get a life.
That is complete bs what you just said. Everyone knows on the Odyssey club that its a tranny problem not a hose like you think. lol
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 07:20 AM
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Its total Bull$hit. One tranny doesn't indicate a problem. However, take a look at 6-speed g35 problems and that my friends, is ONE HUGE problem. The trannies are like glass and many many G35s, coupes, and Zs suffer from it. Grinding 2nd gear is the first indication and then the dealer just replaces it because it is so common. How do I know, because I OWN a g35 coupe and have been keeping up with the problem on 3 different forums. I decided the auto was the way to go due to heavy traffic. They have changed the 6-speeds on the upcoming Gs and Zs.

Watch Silverbullet's tranny go and he will be the biggest hater of the G35.

Hmm, the 6MT problem is pretty rare now. It was a first year issue. But Acura 1st year tranny issues are never resolved and we learned that with the CL and TL.

I have a 6MT with no issues.
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 07:21 AM
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1sicklex I had a tranny replaced on my SC430 with 4500 miles on it, which I sold right after it was replaced. It was just a bad tranny, doesnt mean that Lexus has a weak or defective transmission in their SC430's.
He has already replaced 2 trannys. Like I said, the TL doesn't haev enough miles on it yet to show issues. And the original trannys are the stronger ones, when remans start getting in them they will start to fail even faster.
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 07:23 AM
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Honda/Acura is not stupid to put the same tranny from the 2nd gen in the 3rd gen. Honda/Acura is not stupid to put defective transmissions in the 3rd gen. They will/can not let this happen again.
Well they were stupid to put it in the MDX, Odyssey, and other v6 cars too. If the Accord V6 Autos are failing already, the new one, expect the new TL to start eventually as well.
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All this is, is a G35 04 TL hater!!
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I'm pretty sure that if silverbullet says it twenty more itmes, it will become true!
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either way, I got the 6spd, so its ALL good
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^ ur still NEWBIE TO MANUAL :P so dont mess up the clutch or tranny
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i dont know if i have a tranny issue but i think i do, sometimes when i put my car in reverse i feel a jerk and some times its smooth, liek this morning i put it in reverse to back up and i feel a violent jerk, i than put it in park and than into reverse again and this time it jerks slightly...is this a tranny issue?
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^ ur still NEWBIE TO MANUAL :P so dont mess up the clutch or tranny
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Old Jun 22, 2004 | 10:38 AM
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i dont know if i have a tranny issue but i think i do, sometimes when i put my car in reverse i feel a jerk and some times its smooth, liek this morning i put it in reverse to back up and i feel a violent jerk, i than put it in park and than into reverse again and this time it jerks slightly...is this a tranny issue?
Yep, your tranny is dieing. First signs of failure is jerkyness. My CL-S did that, and after a few more thousand miles, it slipped going into 3rd.
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 11:01 AM
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The truth, clearly hurts. Its one thing to deny people debating but here, we have pics of an 04 Tl getting a new tranny already. Only time will tell if this problem gets worse.
This is true...just go back on the forum to late '02/early'03 when the TL-S trannies started to fail and we were posting here. People jumped all over everyone who had a failed tranny telling us that we didn't know how to drive, or our mods f*cked up the car, or we were trashing the car all the time. Just bide your time fellas.
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Yes, time will tell. Hopefully, the 'o4 TL will be rated "excellent" most of the time in transmission reliability like most TLs and most Acuras.
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Originally Posted by GO_TL
This is BFS! These are probably pics of the demo TL that got ragged out by the salesman of the month who drove it home because he moved three cars in one day. How many RM trannys are they going to have available on a new model year?

How many recalls will require the entire drivetrain to be replaced? Which can evidentally give your car blue balls...uhh...blue bolts. The MDX didn't require a full tranny replacement. The Honda Odyssey had the same recall. The fix for the MDX and the Odyssey was to replace one tranny oil return line. Not a wholesale replacement of the transmission.

Get a life.
your actually partly wrong. when performing the mdx recall you have to inspect second gear. if it shows signs of overheating then you replace the trans. if the gear looks good you install an oil jet kit.
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i dont know if i have a tranny issue but i think i do, sometimes when i put my car in reverse i feel a jerk and some times its smooth, liek this morning i put it in reverse to back up and i feel a violent jerk, i than put it in park and than into reverse again and this time it jerks slightly...is this a tranny issue?
If you park the car on an incline and it is 'resting' on the gear in park, you will get a clunk when you put it in gear next time. This may be what you are experiencing - if so it is not a problem. It can be avoided by setting the parking brake prior to releasing the brake pedal when parking on an incline.



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