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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Cool 2003 tls vs 2005 tl

Who would win? 0 to 70? Both Auto 03 has 60K miles, 05 has 74K miles. thanks!
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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Both cars are pretty even. If driven right, i would say the 03 type s would edge it out a bit.
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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it will be a very close race. Good luck!
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 12:52 PM
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The one that gets the jump first will win...

Do you know if those 03' TL-S are geared the same way as the 3rd gen A/T? Those 4th gear on a A/T is killing the car...
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 02:23 PM
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I think my moms old 2001 CL type S AT was definitely faster feeling then my 04 TL AT
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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having driven both cars, my SOTP tells me that the 3.2TL-S is quicker and faster than the 5AT 3G.
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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before mods stock v stock - the 03 tl-s wins.
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 01:35 AM
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hehe, makes me happy
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 01:00 PM
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Cool

Okay! Thanks! Now i know....
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 04:43 PM
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i beat frankie02's 08 TL and he had a CAI and im in a 03 TL stock... =) so yeah.. the TL-S would win...
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Old Dec 13, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Why is Acura Making Slower Tl's?
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Becuase thier not, i walk all over CL-S, TL-S(Of course older 1's)> I dont know what u guys are saying.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TL|GTX
Becuase thier not, i walk all over CL-S, TL-S(Of course older 1's)> I dont know what u guys are saying.
If you're "walking all over them", I don't think they're racing you.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AZN.M3NACE
i beat frankie02's 08 TL and he had a CAI and im in a 03 TL stock... =) so yeah.. the TL-S would win...
robert don't lie - you never beat frankie head to head
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
If you're "walking all over them", I don't think they're racing you.
true that
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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Becuase thier not, i walk all over CL-S, TL-S(Of course older 1's)> I dont know what u guys are saying.
With just 3rd muffler delete?
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 06:06 PM
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Well to clear things up i beat them buy a car or 2.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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Okay! Thanks! Now i know....
You don't know until you race one.

I beat an 03 TL-S in a race for the merging lane. Didn't think much of it because I figured the 3G was supposed to beat the 2G.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 07:50 PM
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Personally I would go with the 02-03 TL-S over a 04+ TL 5AT if they both left the shifters in auto mode. The 04+ TL's upshift early. The TL-S would upshift at redline. If both raced in manual mode then its a drivers race for sure.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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This is funny. You have two people that have personally beat a 2G TL-S with a 3G TL yet people continue with their theories on how the 2G will come out on top. I could care less, both cars are slow, but I find it amusing.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
This is funny. You have two people that have personally beat a 2G TL-S with a 3G TL yet people continue with their theories on how the 2G will come out on top. I could care less, both cars are slow, but I find it amusing.
Well regardless of how slow they are, I have an 03 TL-S and I've beaten an 04. SatinSilverAv6 is also right, the 04 shifted to second gear maybe a full second before me.. I won by about half a car. i could see his car the whole run.

its a luxury car, how fast you want it to be? get an M5 if u want more power

so yup. the 2nd Gen TL-S takes it
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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Well regardless of how slow they are, I have an 03 TL-S and I've beaten an 04. SatinSilverAv6 is also right, the 04 shifted to second gear maybe a full second before me.. I won by about half a car. i could see his car the whole run.

its a luxury car, how fast you want it to be? get an M5 if u want more power

so yup. the 2nd Gen TL-S takes it
I've beaten one so no, it does not take it.

M5 is not fast.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
I've beaten one so no, it does not take it.

M5 is not fast.
Well I guese we just have to agree to disagree

M5 may not be as fast to you but its faster than the TL

Not sure how fast you want to go in a luxury car. Consider the E-class Brabus if thats still not fast enough start looking into time travel.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
This is funny. You have two people that have personally beat a 2G TL-S with a 3G TL yet people continue with their theories on how the 2G will come out on top. I could care less, both cars are slow, but I find it amusing.
We are comparing the 2g TL-S and the 3g TL. Who cares if they are both slow, but that's what we're comparing. Nobody is saying it runs 10 seconds in a 1/4.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
I've beaten one so no, it does not take it.

M5 is not fast.

M5 isnt fast!?!?! i mean i know it isnt as fast as your GN but give it some credit lol. i think any sedan thats in the 12's straight from factory should be considered fast but then again i guess your entitled to your own opinion
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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M5 isnt fast!?!?! i mean i know it isnt as fast as your GN but give it some credit lol. i think any sedan thats in the 12's straight from factory should be considered fast but then again i guess your entitled to your own opinion
LOL. Just trying to ruffle some feathers. M5 is fast for a factory street car, it's just not something I would take out to the races and bet money on.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Silva-type-s
Well I guese we just have to agree to disagree

M5 may not be as fast to you but its faster than the TL

Not sure how fast you want to go in a luxury car. Consider the E-class Brabus if thats still not fast enough start looking into time travel.
After riding in a friend's Brabus T-12 CL65 nothing else will do. 704hp in a luxury car is what it's all about. We took it to the track with the tags still on it and managed an 11.9 on street tries. Not too bad. Probabaly an 11.50 car with some tire on it.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TL|GTX
Becuase thier not, i walk all over CL-S, TL-S(Of course older 1's)> I dont know what u guys are saying.
CL-S's will walk you, lol. Bad drivers these days attempting to "race" just kill everything, making you "think" you walked them.

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I've beaten one so no, it does not take it.

M5 is not fast.
Just to let you know, the 2gen TL-S's can be faster than the 3rd gen TL. The reason behind that is because the 2nd gen's can hold their 1st to redline, whereas the 3rd gen TL's automatically shift frmo 1st to 2nd gear like a couple hundred RPM's before redline..

The also have gateshifting which may help..

As for the M5 not being fast, it's fast stock. try racing the M5 vs your GN, when put to stock. That' is just as stupid as comparing 70's car into the 2000's.. both are in different leagues.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
After riding in a friend's Brabus T-12 CL65 nothing else will do. 704hp in a luxury car is what it's all about. We took it to the track with the tags still on it and managed an 11.9 on street tries. Not too bad. Probabaly an 11.50 car with some tire on it.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we can finally agree on something (Brabus) LOL
its took a v12 biturbo to get this guys interest.

Whew!!!!!!!!

Were you in the car for the 11.9 run? Weight palys a role in 1/4 mile times.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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I wonder how stable a GNX is versus an ungoverned E60 M5, which tops @ a little above 200mph. Bottomline: the M5 is rocket. Period.

But, enough with the thread jack.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 03:09 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2py2Dy8ghDI

starts at 0:31

ib18c1 vs me

this was

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both are base.. and auto.. of course..
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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Nice video!

The 3rd gen had the extra passenger...
I would of love to see that 3rd gear pull a bit longer...
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Silva-type-s
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we can finally agree on something (Brabus) LOL
its took a v12 biturbo to get this guys interest.

Whew!!!!!!!!

Were you in the car for the 11.9 run? Weight palys a role in 1/4 mile times.
I drove it on that run. The owner went 12.0 on the first run of the night. My 60' was crap, 2.2 going from memory but it trapped right at 120mph so the power was there.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ILLustriousUA6
CL-S's will walk you, lol. Bad drivers these days attempting to "race" just kill everything, making you "think" you walked them.



Just to let you know, the 2gen TL-S's can be faster than the 3rd gen TL. The reason behind that is because the 2nd gen's can hold their 1st to redline, whereas the 3rd gen TL's automatically shift frmo 1st to 2nd gear like a couple hundred RPM's before redline..

The also have gateshifting which may help..

As for the M5 not being fast, it's fast stock. try racing the M5 vs your GN, when put to stock. That' is just as stupid as comparing 70's car into the 2000's.. both are in different leagues.
Thanks for comparing my car to a car that cost 5X more.

Stock for stock, one is a 13 second car and the other is a 12 second car. Throw $200 in mods at both and you've got a driver's race.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I wonder how stable a GNX is versus an ungoverned E60 M5, which tops @ a little above 200mph. Bottomline: the M5 is rocket. Period.

But, enough with the thread jack.
Are we really arguing stability? I know it matters all the time on the street which car is more stable at 200mph.

I care more about what I can do on the street or 1/4 mile. Where will you ever be able to really tap into the top speed or cornering potential of the M5 in normal driving? Acceleration on the other hand can be had every day on the way to work.
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Teteux
Nice video!

The 3rd gen had the extra passenger...
I would of love to see that 3rd gear pull a bit longer...
haha, yea he did.. but i'm a pretty heavy guy.

haha.. but i can't be THAT heavy right?? hahah
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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jjasha, you also have a tl-p right?? that makes a huge difference, and to see you come out on top says alot
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Old Dec 16, 2008 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
I drove it on that run. The owner went 12.0 on the first run of the night. My 60' was crap, 2.2 going from memory but it trapped right at 120mph so the power was there.
I think its all the handling technology that kills the launches.
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Old Dec 16, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by I hate cars
Thanks for comparing my car to a car that cost 5X more.

Stock for stock, one is a 13 second car and the other is a 12 second car. Throw $200 in mods at both and you've got a driver's race.
$200? \In an M5? what that like an oil change? maybe an allignment Lol.

$200 will do alot more for the GN that it will for the M5
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