13.998@106.04mph - 05 TL 6MT
06-13-2010, 10:24 AM
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This is one of those circumstances where I may need more corroboration than the timeslip itself. (i.e.: video OR my son attesting to said TL whipping past him at the stripe.)
06-13-2010, 11:10 AM
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Left lane I could get around the water but the right lane was soaked! I had to burnout a little before I got to the lights in the right lane. But the traps were very similar between both lanes. The Volvo trapped almost 100mph on a couple runs.
Do you guys want me to post the other time slips? They all show 104-105mph
A couple were lower cuz I missed a gear 
or almost stalled at the starting line 
06-13-2010, 11:18 AM
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Is you bro lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DZgJ...eature=related
06-13-2010, 12:23 PM
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here il post again go to youtube and type "acura tl vs" and go to the most recent one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DZgJvUgv6Q
06-13-2010, 04:14 PM
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Dyno is only as good as the person operating it 
Listen, i pulled 293.x whp on my 08 TL-S.... I have the sheet somewhere, and i will look for it and scan it as soon as i find it
I am pretty sure that it was uncorrected... but i will go try to find it.
my base dyno was 239 whp (on a 286hp car) That is a 17% drivetrain loss... which seems pretty damn accurate to me on a FWD Honda
Listen, i pulled 293.x whp on my 08 TL-S.... I have the sheet somewhere, and i will look for it and scan it as soon as i find it
I am pretty sure that it was uncorrected... but i will go try to find it.
my base dyno was 239 whp (on a 286hp car) That is a 17% drivetrain loss... which seems pretty damn accurate to me on a FWD Honda
06-13-2010, 05:38 PM
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Actually, that is VERY SLOW for a Modded S60R. They do better stock. They get fast when you flash the ecu. He must have had trouble.
06-14-2010, 07:35 AM
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I sort of recall the R typically posting traps in the 100-101mph ballpark stock.
06-14-2010, 07:37 AM
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Alex....can you post one or two slips of your other runs??
06-14-2010, 03:19 PM
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Yes of course, I'll try to have a few of them up tonight. If not tonight by tomorrow evening
working 12 hour shifts at the hospital
06-14-2010, 09:15 PM
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last year i ran stock and got 15.3@760mph three times! the announcer was having a good chuckle as he read my traps out loud...sometimes the equipment needs some tlc. honestly alex needs to run at a different track to put this one to bed. *cough* nitrous *cough* lol. for the record, i dont buy this for a second
06-14-2010, 11:26 PM
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last year i ran stock and got 15.3@760mph three times! the announcer was having a good chuckle as he read my traps out loud...sometimes the equipment needs some tlc. honestly alex needs to run at a different track to put this one to bed. *cough* nitrous *cough* lol. for the record, i dont buy this for a second
I think I'd trap a lil higher then 106mph with nitrous
06-15-2010, 07:08 PM
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Powershifting might get you .5-.8mph if you're lucky. I've experimented with powershifting in numerous Stangs, F-Bodies, and even my old Maxima. There is hardly any noticeable change in ET or MPH. It's not worth the potential damage to the motor or drivetrain, IMO. If someone is gaining 1.5mph to 2mph by powershifting, they are a super slow shifter.
Assuming you know your shift points, trapspeed vary no less than 1mph between runs whether you pull a 1.8 60' or a 2.4 60'. I've been racing street cars for about 18 years now. I know the ins and outs of this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a TL needs to be shifted right at redline for the 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts.
Assuming you know your shift points, trapspeed vary no less than 1mph between runs whether you pull a 1.8 60' or a 2.4 60'. I've been racing street cars for about 18 years now. I know the ins and outs of this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a TL needs to be shifted right at redline for the 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts.
My trap speeds vary 1-2 mph easily with just slight differences in shifting... I'm not defending anybody claiming that shift times made up 5-6 mph, but I know for sure that I've seen a friend of mine run 14.7@94 in his stock 02 6speed maxima, then let me drive it and it saw a 14.2@99. Difference? Shifting.
06-15-2010, 07:55 PM
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I was the one that said I get 1.5-2mph differences between lift shifting and powershifting, and it is true. I've tested it a few times, myself.... Look at the video in my sig and tell me that my slow shifting is the reason for the difference.
My trap speeds vary 1-2 mph easily with just slight differences in shifting... I'm not defending anybody claiming that shift times made up 5-6 mph, but I know for sure that I've seen a friend of mine run 14.7@94 in his stock 02 6speed maxima, then let me drive it and it saw a 14.2@99. Difference? Shifting.
My trap speeds vary 1-2 mph easily with just slight differences in shifting... I'm not defending anybody claiming that shift times made up 5-6 mph, but I know for sure that I've seen a friend of mine run 14.7@94 in his stock 02 6speed maxima, then let me drive it and it saw a 14.2@99. Difference? Shifting.
What I'm saying is there is some other variable than the shifting going on in your situation, not that it didn't happen.
06-15-2010, 08:07 PM
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14.7@94 to 14.2@99 from shifting alone, huh? I can see the ET dropping that much from bad driver to good driver but unless he was the worst driver on the planet or did not know how to push the pedal to the floor it's very unlikely. Was this on the same night? Even my friend's Porsche 951 that had a major tuning issue and would not take off until the 330' mark trapped 113 and then 114mph after we got the issue taken care of and did a full run.
What I'm saying is there is some other variable than the shifting going on in your situation, not that it didn't happen.
What I'm saying is there is some other variable than the shifting going on in your situation, not that it didn't happen.
Again, I'm not saying that is why he is trapping so much higher than people with the same mods. It takes a serious difference in skill to see that big a difference, and it can't be that ALL the other TL drivers can be that much worse.
I've gotta get this trans in and hit Zmax with you sometime, alex!
06-16-2010, 03:32 PM
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Powershifting might get you .5-.8mph if you're lucky. I've experimented with powershifting in numerous Stangs, F-Bodies, and even my old Maxima. There is hardly any noticeable change in ET or MPH. It's not worth the potential damage to the motor or drivetrain, IMO. If someone is gaining 1.5mph to 2mph by powershifting, they are a super slow shifter.
Assuming you know your shift points, trapspeed vary no less than 1mph between runs whether you pull a 1.8 60' or a 2.4 60'. I've been racing street cars for about 18 years now. I know the ins and outs of this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a TL needs to be shifted right at redline for the 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts.
A 3,500lb 6MT TL with these mods is putting down 235-240whp on a Dynojet. That power to weight ratio and the car's gearing puts in the ~101mph trapspeed range. A stock 03-06 3,250lb 350Z 6MT puts down the same power and typically sees 101-103mph (with 103mph being very rare). A stock 07/08 3,300lb 350Z with high revving VQ35HR makes a crack over 260whp sees 104-105mph traps. How does a significantly heavier TL with at least 20whp less and a shorter powerand outrun a VQHR Z in the 1/4 mile? Additionally, explain why these modded 3,500lb TL-S' with about 245-250whp are only getting 99-100mph. A 1 to 2mph difference can be easily explained, but a 6mph to 7mph swing? That well over 50whp.
It takes about 9whp to increase 1mph in trapspeed for a typical street car. Seeing that every other NA TL 6MT with the same mods has only able to do 102mph or less, this would mean this particular TL is making about 36whp+ more. Does that really seem feasible? Where's all this power being hidden?
I have experienced weird trapspeeds before at two different tracks. With absolutely no changes to the car or shift points, one lane was consistently 4mph faster than the other. If the trap boxes zeroed and calibrated, the traps can be off wildly. On a grudge nights, it's rare they take the measures to calibrate fully. According to one slip I have from 1998, I ran a 14.4@227mph in in my 96 Maxima and another 14.4@108mph.
I am not a hater at all. I'm a voice of reason.
Assuming you know your shift points, trapspeed vary no less than 1mph between runs whether you pull a 1.8 60' or a 2.4 60'. I've been racing street cars for about 18 years now. I know the ins and outs of this. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that a TL needs to be shifted right at redline for the 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 shifts.
A 3,500lb 6MT TL with these mods is putting down 235-240whp on a Dynojet. That power to weight ratio and the car's gearing puts in the ~101mph trapspeed range. A stock 03-06 3,250lb 350Z 6MT puts down the same power and typically sees 101-103mph (with 103mph being very rare). A stock 07/08 3,300lb 350Z with high revving VQ35HR makes a crack over 260whp sees 104-105mph traps. How does a significantly heavier TL with at least 20whp less and a shorter powerand outrun a VQHR Z in the 1/4 mile? Additionally, explain why these modded 3,500lb TL-S' with about 245-250whp are only getting 99-100mph. A 1 to 2mph difference can be easily explained, but a 6mph to 7mph swing? That well over 50whp.
It takes about 9whp to increase 1mph in trapspeed for a typical street car. Seeing that every other NA TL 6MT with the same mods has only able to do 102mph or less, this would mean this particular TL is making about 36whp+ more. Does that really seem feasible? Where's all this power being hidden?
I have experienced weird trapspeeds before at two different tracks. With absolutely no changes to the car or shift points, one lane was consistently 4mph faster than the other. If the trap boxes zeroed and calibrated, the traps can be off wildly. On a grudge nights, it's rare they take the measures to calibrate fully. According to one slip I have from 1998, I ran a 14.4@227mph in in my 96 Maxima and another 14.4@108mph.
I am not a hater at all. I'm a voice of reason.
I suspect one of the two things, or both:
- The trap box was inaccurate the time of the day he ran.
- Tail wind. Tail / head wind has impacts on trap speed.
Seriously, 106 mph is not realistic for a bolted on manual trans TL.
And if you want to race other cars from rolling start it needs to be done in a controlled environment, not some random attempts of racing during rush hour.
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06-16-2010, 04:33 PM
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Good post. I fully agree.
I suspect one of the two things, or both:
- The trap box was inaccurate the time of the day he ran.
- Tail wind. Tail / head wind has impacts on trap speed.
Seriously, 106 mph is not realistic for a bolted on manual trans TL.
And if you want to race other cars from rolling start it needs to be done in a controlled environment, not some random attempts of racing during rush hour.
I suspect one of the two things, or both:
- The trap box was inaccurate the time of the day he ran.
- Tail wind. Tail / head wind has impacts on trap speed.
Seriously, 106 mph is not realistic for a bolted on manual trans TL.
And if you want to race other cars from rolling start it needs to be done in a controlled environment, not some random attempts of racing during rush hour.
Did I say anything about racing in rush hour? No, I didn't. Just like most other members on here, I use caution when doing a few highway runs.
06-16-2010, 07:32 PM
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Good post. I fully agree.
I suspect one of the two things, or both:
- The trap box was inaccurate the time of the day he ran.
- Tail wind. Tail / head wind has impacts on trap speed.
Seriously, 106 mph is not realistic for a bolted on manual trans TL.
And if you want to race other cars from rolling start it needs to be done in a controlled environment, not some random attempts of racing during rush hour.
I suspect one of the two things, or both:
- The trap box was inaccurate the time of the day he ran.
- Tail wind. Tail / head wind has impacts on trap speed.
Seriously, 106 mph is not realistic for a bolted on manual trans TL.
And if you want to race other cars from rolling start it needs to be done in a controlled environment, not some random attempts of racing during rush hour.
Aren't you the same guy that claims the MS3 pulls back power even in third gear and that it beats cars that trap much higher? I find it much easier to believe a bolted 6mt TL traps 106mph than a 250hp car that needs a power reduction in 3rd gear.
06-17-2010, 01:41 PM
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It does. That's where the MS3 gets the power starting from 4th gear. Beating typical 104~ 105 mph trap cars from roll is normal for the MS3. 107 mph you are pushing it.
06-17-2010, 01:51 PM
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I don't think its impossible its just not probable. There has been a stock TL 6MT that ran a 13.9@101MPH. That isn't the normal either but strange things do happen.The MS3 holds its own no doubt. I still havent seen a stock one though beat out any cars that trap 104-105MPH from a roll. Ive checked a lot of youtube vids. The slightly modded ones whoop some arse!
06-17-2010, 01:56 PM
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IIRC, 13.9@ 101 mph was done with an intake mod, no? I remember one guy has hit 13.9 with his 3rd gen TL manual, almost stock.
The MS3 holds its own no doubt. I still havent seen a stock one though beat out any cars that trap 104-105MPH from a roll. Ive checked a lot of youtube vids. The slightly modded ones whoop some arse!
06-17-2010, 02:08 PM
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Driving skill is definately the main concern. Seems like most people don't know how to get the full potential out of the MS3 as far as what gear to start in when racing from a roll and where the most optimal shift points need to occur.
06-17-2010, 03:58 PM
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Okay, now that makes some sense. However, that trap speed seem low using nitrous. I was right that the bolted TL can't get to 106 mph trap. It's physically impossible unless you have very strong tail wind under excellent weather condition.
Read above post before rambling your mouth.
It does. That's where the MS3 gets the power starting from 4th gear. Beating typical 104~ 105 mph trap cars from roll is normal for the MS3. 107 mph you are pushing it.
Read above post before rambling your mouth.
It does. That's where the MS3 gets the power starting from 4th gear. Beating typical 104~ 105 mph trap cars from roll is normal for the MS3. 107 mph you are pushing it.
Good thing that 250hp monster pulls all of those horsess back to stop those 3rd gear 100mph burnouts. You just don't get it. So if a stock ms3 can beat a 106mph car, why does it struggle to break 100mph?
06-17-2010, 04:47 PM
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Okay, now that makes some sense. However, that trap speed seem low using nitrous. I was right that the bolted TL can't get to 106 mph trap. It's physically impossible unless you have very strong tail wind under excellent weather condition.
Read above post before rambling your mouth.
It does. That's where the MS3 gets the power starting from 4th gear. Beating typical 104~ 105 mph trap cars from roll is normal for the MS3. 107 mph you are pushing it.
Read above post before rambling your mouth.
It does. That's where the MS3 gets the power starting from 4th gear. Beating typical 104~ 105 mph trap cars from roll is normal for the MS3. 107 mph you are pushing it.
so there you have it, good luck pulling on me with your MS3.Ah ok, joke accepted. IIRC, 13.9@ 101 mph was done with an intake mod, no? I remember one guy has hit 13.9 with his 3rd gen TL manual, almost stock.
The problem is most of them are modded. There are a few that are stock and have seen them able to keep up with the modded ones. Driving skill is in question.
IIRC, 13.9@ 101 mph was done with an intake mod, no? I remember one guy has hit 13.9 with his 3rd gen TL manual, almost stock.The problem is most of them are modded. There are a few that are stock and have seen them able to keep up with the modded ones. Driving skill is in question.
Learn what the red means before rambling your mouth.....and let me know how that foot tastes.
Good thing that 250hp monster pulls all of those horsess back to stop those 3rd gear 100mph burnouts. You just don't get it. So if a stock ms3 can beat a 106mph car, why does it struggle to break 100mph?
Good thing that 250hp monster pulls all of those horsess back to stop those 3rd gear 100mph burnouts. You just don't get it. So if a stock ms3 can beat a 106mph car, why does it struggle to break 100mph?
thanks for keeping this interestingNo I didn't get a chance, maybe not for a while. My days are booked up at the hospital so I'm not gonna see the track for a while
if I find a good friend who I can trust, I'll let him run my car sometime.
06-18-2010, 07:51 AM
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And 3rd gear 100 mph burnouts? huh? it's not making any sense. How can this be done on a MS3? Sounds like you haven't driven very many cars. Not all cars behave the same way your loving friend's Buick GN does...or your AUTOMATIC TL. Try to think a little more broad before posting next time.
You just don't get it. So if a stock ms3 can beat a 106mph car, why does it struggle to break 100mph?
)It has already broken 100 mph on a stock MS3. When you are in different gears at given speed the power to the ground changes. It's not linear. You cannot predict the rate of acceleration because of this. Trap speed in a quarter mile measures power at up to 3rd or 4th gears on many vehicles. And that is assuming you are running at full throttle at max rpm (max power the vehicle outputs). Once you get to the next gear after quarter mile it slows down. MS3, with stock ECU, there is nearly 40% of boost cut on first two gears and some on 3rd gear. The effect is similar to as if you are launching with only 1/4 throttle on the gas and shift at lower RPM. You seem to lack in understanding gearing and how it impacts the acceleration. Also you don't seem to understand how boost cut at low gears affect quarter mile time and trap speed. I would be glad to explain more if you would like.
Therefore racing from rolling start at say 40 or 50 to 120 or so the MS3 takes the advantage and beat most RWD cars with higher horsepower, that weighs more, have taller gearing, and those that trap 104~ 105 mph at the quarter mile track.
06-18-2010, 08:02 AM
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And the TL cannot pull on a stock MS3, unless the TL is equipped with supercharger + other mods. The trap speed you got at the drag strip is fraud I believe. TL with bolt-on's can't get to that speed unless you have very strong tail wind with all weather is in your favor. Expect to see 99~ 101 mph on your TL. Besides, the G37 you pulled may have been an '08 model with automatic. They are pretty slow in rolling start races. If you can't beat them then your car has some issues.
I'll agree with driving skill, you can't do much with a shitty driver.
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06-18-2010, 08:26 AM
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Also keep in mind that the MS3 has the weight advantage as well. The power to weight ratio is better than most other vehicles that have higher hp. It outperforms many 104~ 105 mph trap cars, *except* for cars like 335i, 135i, hr350z, 370z, etc. But cars like Infiniti G35/G37, Lexus IS350, Mustang GT (300+ hp 315 tq), etc MS3 can beat from roll. These cars trap around 104~ 105 mph. Going by "trap speed" quarter mile is very stupid and foolish. Don't even mention "Acura TL" as it can't even come close. It is not in the same league. I wouldn't be surprised if an Accord V6 to beat the TL 6MT. And of course, the AUTOMATIC TL is the slow turtle and with worst handling.
These cars trap around 104~ 105 mph. Going by "trap speed" quarter mile is very stupid and foolish. Don't even mention "Acura TL" as it can't even come close. It is not in the same league. I wouldn't be surprised if an Accord V6 to beat the TL 6MT. And of course, the AUTOMATIC TL is the slow turtle and with worst handling.
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06-18-2010, 08:29 AM
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It's not 250 hp. Are we having new standard of rating horsepower now? what's the deal?
And 3rd gear 100 mph burnouts? huh? it's not making any sense. How can this be done on a MS3? Sounds like you haven't driven very many cars. Not all cars behave the same way your loving friend's Buick GN does...or your AUTOMATIC TL. Try to think a little more broad before posting next time.
I didn't say beat a 106 mph car. I said 104~ 105. (reading problem?)
It has already broken 100 mph on a stock MS3. When you are in different gears at given speed the power to the ground changes. It's not linear. You cannot predict the rate of acceleration because of this. Trap speed in a quarter mile measures power at up to 3rd or 4th gears on many vehicles. And that is assuming you are running at full throttle at max rpm (max power the vehicle outputs). Once you get to the next gear after quarter mile it slows down. MS3, with stock ECU, there is nearly 40% of boost cut on first two gears and some on 3rd gear. The effect is similar to as if you are launching with only 1/4 throttle on the gas and shift at lower RPM. You seem to lack in understanding gearing and how it impacts the acceleration. Also you don't seem to understand how boost cut at low gears affect quarter mile time and trap speed. I would be glad to explain more if you would like.
Therefore racing from rolling start at say 40 or 50 to 120 or so the MS3 takes the advantage and beat most RWD cars with higher horsepower, that weighs more, have taller gearing, and those that trap 104~ 105 mph at the quarter mile track.
And 3rd gear 100 mph burnouts? huh? it's not making any sense. How can this be done on a MS3? Sounds like you haven't driven very many cars. Not all cars behave the same way your loving friend's Buick GN does...or your AUTOMATIC TL. Try to think a little more broad before posting next time.
I didn't say beat a 106 mph car. I said 104~ 105. (reading problem?
)It has already broken 100 mph on a stock MS3. When you are in different gears at given speed the power to the ground changes. It's not linear. You cannot predict the rate of acceleration because of this. Trap speed in a quarter mile measures power at up to 3rd or 4th gears on many vehicles. And that is assuming you are running at full throttle at max rpm (max power the vehicle outputs). Once you get to the next gear after quarter mile it slows down. MS3, with stock ECU, there is nearly 40% of boost cut on first two gears and some on 3rd gear. The effect is similar to as if you are launching with only 1/4 throttle on the gas and shift at lower RPM. You seem to lack in understanding gearing and how it impacts the acceleration. Also you don't seem to understand how boost cut at low gears affect quarter mile time and trap speed. I would be glad to explain more if you would like.
Therefore racing from rolling start at say 40 or 50 to 120 or so the MS3 takes the advantage and beat most RWD cars with higher horsepower, that weighs more, have taller gearing, and those that trap 104~ 105 mph at the quarter mile track.
It does not matter how you get off the line. Trap speed remains the same.
Why would a low powered car cut power in 3rd gear? It's far from being able to spin the tires. Maybe the drivetrain is that weak.
Just about every car will make more power in higher gears on the dyno. It's not just your ugly ms3. It's well known you're supposed to dyno in whatever gear puts you close to a 1:1. You can dyno in 5th if you want your numbers articifially high but you're still going to get your ass handed to you by just about everything on the road.
06-18-2010, 08:30 AM
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Also keep in mind that the MS3 has the weight advantage as well. The power to weight ratio is better than most other vehicles that have higher hp. It outperforms many 104~ 105 mph trap cars, *except* for cars like 335i, 135i, hr350z, 370z, etc. But cars like Infiniti G35/G37, Lexus IS350, Mustang GT (300+ hp 315 tq), etc MS3 can beat from roll. Don't even mention "Acura TL" as it can't even come close. It is not in the same league. I wouldn't be surprised if an Accord V6 to beat the TL 6MT. And of course, the AUTOMATIC TL is the slow turtle and with worst handling.
Don't even mention "Acura TL" as it can't even come close. It is not in the same league. I wouldn't be surprised if an Accord V6 to beat the TL 6MT. And of course, the AUTOMATIC TL is the slow turtle and with worst handling.
06-18-2010, 08:51 AM
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I think the ignorant person is you I'm afraid.
Yes it does. Trap speed is affected when the car has boost cut on lower gears, like MS3 for example. Just because your Buick GN achieved a similar trap speed on different runs doesn't mean it applies to MS3.
MS3 is not a low powered car. It has too much power, read carefully this time, it's 263 hp and 280 lb-ft tq@ 3k rpm. And it's a FWD so how is it far from spinning the tires??? This is why I say you are the most ignorant one on this board. Please do some researches before making assumptions.
I'm talking about how cars accelerate on the road, not in dynograph. Why are you changing a subject? Running out of excuses? Obviously you have trouble understanding about the gearing and boost cut at low gears. Get outside, go find a manual car and take it to the track. Keep 1/4 throttle of gas when accelerating. Shift the gears at 4000 rpm instead of 6500. Once you get to the 4th gear give FULL THROTTLE on the gas. Your trap speed will be differ than as if you run the car at full throttle and at max rpm all the way from start to the quarter mile mark. Hopefully your brain might catch up this time.
It does not matter how you get off the line. Trap speed remains the same.
Why would a low powered car cut power in 3rd gear? It's far from being able to spin the tires. Maybe the drivetrain is that weak.
Please do some researches before making assumptions.
Just about every car will make more power in higher gears on the dyno. It's not just your ugly ms3. It's well known you're supposed to dyno in whatever gear puts you close to a 1:1.
Obviously you have trouble understanding about the gearing and boost cut at low gears. Get outside, go find a manual car and take it to the track. Keep 1/4 throttle of gas when accelerating. Shift the gears at 4000 rpm instead of 6500. Once you get to the 4th gear give FULL THROTTLE on the gas. Your trap speed will be differ than as if you run the car at full throttle and at max rpm all the way from start to the quarter mile mark. Hopefully your brain might catch up this time.
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06-18-2010, 08:53 AM
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06-18-2010, 08:56 AM
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Or if you can't find a manual car go take your AUTOMATIC TL to the track. Keep the gas pedal 1/5 of the way till you get to about 70 mph and then use FULL THROTTLE to the finish line at quarter mile. See what trap speed you will get. Compare it with the trap speed you obtained with full power acceleration from start to finish.
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06-18-2010, 09:12 AM
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The problem is you are thinking "getting off the line" when I'm talking about boost cut in 1st three gears. The car does not put full power until you get to 4th gear on the road. This is why I said you are not thinking broad. Just relax and think about it. Take your time. It will all come to you and everything will make sense. Like I said, you will thank me later. Don't know how long that will take, but eventually will happen.
06-18-2010, 09:15 AM
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I see what you're saying Mazdaspeed. But, if there is a 40% boost cut, then how is it like pushing 1/4 throttle? That would be a 75% boost cut
And, at least from my knowledge, increasing/decreasing the boost on a BONE STOCK car already made to handle the turbo from the factory, shouldn't affect HP numbers substantially. I'd estimate 10-15whp. While that isn't slim, it isn't as marginal as you make it out to be. But I could be wrong
Have they done any research on this? To see how much power the car is actually putting down in the 1st 3 gears?
IHC has a good point too. You make it seem as if the MS3 if a monster, or 'demon' as you have called it before. It is not a demon in stock form, nor a monster. It is a quick car, that's it. And I would be willing to bet $$ that I would creep on a stock MS3, and stay next to one with an exhaust. Anymore than that, no.
For you to say the TL/Accord should trap 99-101 with those mods is false and incorrect. I trapped 100.82 with I/Jpipe. Now add an exhaust, precat deletes, and a ported intake manifold. I should be around 104+, especially with my dyno of 255whp/209wtq (little disappointed with the tq number).
Also, for you to say the MS3 is in a whole different performance league STOCK than the TL/Accord 6MTs is also false. When you look at performance statistics, what do people look at? 1/4 mile and 0-60. The TL is very close in performance to the MS3 in 1/4 mile and 0-60. Stock the TL/Accords trap 97-99. The MS3 is 98-100. If you ask me there is some overlap there, and very close. With equal drivers, it should be a very good race.
Stop praising the MS3, it's not all that.
And, at least from my knowledge, increasing/decreasing the boost on a BONE STOCK car already made to handle the turbo from the factory, shouldn't affect HP numbers substantially. I'd estimate 10-15whp. While that isn't slim, it isn't as marginal as you make it out to be. But I could be wrong
Have they done any research on this? To see how much power the car is actually putting down in the 1st 3 gears?IHC has a good point too. You make it seem as if the MS3 if a monster, or 'demon' as you have called it before. It is not a demon in stock form, nor a monster. It is a quick car, that's it. And I would be willing to bet $$ that I would creep on a stock MS3, and stay next to one with an exhaust. Anymore than that, no.
For you to say the TL/Accord should trap 99-101 with those mods is false and incorrect. I trapped 100.82 with I/Jpipe. Now add an exhaust, precat deletes, and a ported intake manifold. I should be around 104+, especially with my dyno of 255whp/209wtq (little disappointed with the tq number).
Also, for you to say the MS3 is in a whole different performance league STOCK than the TL/Accord 6MTs is also false. When you look at performance statistics, what do people look at? 1/4 mile and 0-60. The TL is very close in performance to the MS3 in 1/4 mile and 0-60. Stock the TL/Accords trap 97-99. The MS3 is 98-100. If you ask me there is some overlap there, and very close. With equal drivers, it should be a very good race.
Stop praising the MS3, it's not all that.
06-18-2010, 09:26 AM
#119
Team Owner
Why would any underpowered car cut power in 3rd gear? I remember from a long time ago that you were basing this on the fact that the hp numbers went up in 4th gear on the dyno. EVERY car does the same thing and none of them have power cut in the first 3 gears. If it were true, I would be embarassed to admit it. Talk about a completely useless car. Do you go around doing 120+mph roll ons....
As for my dragstrip runs, if all I had run was the GN I would not be so sure. I've run many cars and practically lived at the track. They're all the same. Get a 3 second 60' and it still traps the same, sometimes higher.
You fail to answer, why does this slow car have an imaginary power cut in 3rd gear? Are you saying it will smoke the tires in 3rd without the cut? If this is the case with only 260hp, you probably should not drag race.
Last, who's full of excuses? I would have to say the one with the 100mph car that claims it hangs with the faster cars only in 4th gear based on this imaginary power cut. I've already put in my time, when my car didn't run what I wanted it to, I found ways to cure it, not make up excuses for why it's slow.
As for my dragstrip runs, if all I had run was the GN I would not be so sure. I've run many cars and practically lived at the track. They're all the same. Get a 3 second 60' and it still traps the same, sometimes higher.
You fail to answer, why does this slow car have an imaginary power cut in 3rd gear? Are you saying it will smoke the tires in 3rd without the cut? If this is the case with only 260hp, you probably should not drag race.
Last, who's full of excuses? I would have to say the one with the 100mph car that claims it hangs with the faster cars only in 4th gear based on this imaginary power cut. I've already put in my time, when my car didn't run what I wanted it to, I found ways to cure it, not make up excuses for why it's slow.
06-18-2010, 09:40 AM
#120
And, at least from my knowledge, increasing/decreasing the boost on a BONE STOCK car already made to handle the turbo from the factory, shouldn't affect HP numbers substantially. I'd estimate 10-15whp.
IHC has a good point too. You make it seem as if the MS3 if a monster, or 'demon' as you have called it before.
It is not a demon in stock form, nor a monster.
It is a quick car, that's it. And I would be willing to bet $$ that I would creep on a stock MS3, and stay next to one with an exhaust. Anymore than that, no.
For you to say the TL/Accord should trap 99-101 with those mods is false and incorrect. I trapped 100.82 with I/Jpipe. Now add an exhaust, precat deletes, and a ported intake manifold. I should be around 104+, especially with my dyno of 255whp/209wtq (little disappointed with the tq number).
Also, for you to say the MS3 is in a whole different performance league STOCK than the TL/Accord 6MTs is also false. When you look at performance statistics, what do people look at? 1/4 mile and 0-60. The TL is very close in performance to the MS3 in 1/4 mile and 0-60.
Stock the TL/Accords trap 97-99. The MS3 is 98-100. If you ask me there is some overlap there, and very close. With equal drivers, it should be a very good race.
Stop praising the MS3, it's not all that.