simont53

Ok Type S owners feel free to chime in here , I know everyone is waiting for some performance numbers and few of us have even broken their Type s in ( I have 300miles on mine) However after 4 days of driving here are some of my observations compared to my 05 A Spec

This car is alot faster !!!! I still have not floored it due to the low miles but it is faster (comparing Auto to Auto here)

Torque is noticed mostly in the low range,the car feels like it can pull from any gear!!

Exhaust note is AWESOME perfect when you are having fun but subtle enough for every day use, it can turn heads even with mild exceleration

Interior is very cool and the quality of the new leather very evident (and more comfortable), the red lights I actually really like ( I wasnt sure I would ) but because they are very red (not orange they look really cool,that and the fact that every light is red including some subtle footwell lights.

Wheels, they have really grown on me, they make the car different which is what every Type S driver is paying for, yes they are a big conversation piece but they look way better in person and make a statement.I do wish they were 18's though.

Handling......right now I am debating whether it would be worth putting A spec susp on this car, as it is a little softer than my A Spec but handling seems almost as good, maybe Acura will do a modified shock kit for the 07 type S

Every thing on this car is better in person than in any of the marketing materials.

I am very happy with this TL and would encourage other Type S owners to post their experiences

broly

I cancelled my pre order, my dad's getting me a 335i in spring

I wanted a TL but for my situation is just a forced buy, especially when the J32A2 >J motors except the new TL-S and RL motor.

I'm happy with 260 HP and 228 LB/tq with an auto. Atleast for me it's quick as hell.

ggesq

iTrader: (1)

I thought the 335i came w/ 300hp?

Mr. Hill

Got a plain ol 2006, but man your S is hot. Can you explain the exhaust note more?

Is it like the G35? I'm dying to see one in person. Nice car, good luck.

ericajackhannahjamie?

I think the 335i is alot faster than the Type S.

kobi2002

Don't care about the 335i, the type s is what I like. My car is doing fine. loving the seats and audio and the navi is much better. I still have a acura integra that was on a 400+ whp that makes 335i or anyother car plain. so peak horsepower was not a factor. o me the tl is the best bang for the buck, and for all that say 38k is to much, remember that it is 2000 more than the standard tl and all you guys that are fitting 07 parts on you tl could put $2k in to look like an 07 but will never even scratch the surface.

simont53

You think???

where are the numbers???

I would put my Type S up there having driven both

simont53

I concur...and its a hell of a car!!

simont53

A little more aggresive than the G35, but with the active noise cancelling you dont notice it

kobi2002

How are you liking the navi? I love the fact that the ok for the disclaimer button comes as soon as you start the car and the compass on the sreen works in realtime.

simont53

That, and the fact you can speak any command that is on the screen Rocks!!, how is your car breaking in ?? mine seems to be getting better and better and I am getting more used to the quicker thottle response

kobi2002

mine is breaking in good ,also getting use to the throttle response. And no rattles . But that anc works like a charm. The type s is alot quieter than the pre years.

mclarenf3387

I'm sorry, the new TL-S is quick, but a 335 will beat the Type S in a race.

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ecs-page2.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...-tl-page3.html

Its a regular TL, but I haven't found a complete write up of the TL-S yet. One second is a big difference though in the quarter mile.

whatjones911

Yea theres no way a TypeS will beat a 335i. They both weigh the same and the 335i has way more torque than the TypeS

kobi2002

The old tl is one second slower the new tl is faster no question, but we will have to see the #'s. But like I said all the mods cars i worked on is over 400 whp not crank hp so what sold me on the tl was the fact that i can get the tech for less. the same335i with the bells and wistles is not going to cost 40K not close. Hp is not everthing, been down that road.

kobi2002

But the one thing about bmw is the gremlins that live in the electrical system. I have a friend that has a 335i and is having problems already..

kobi2002

http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.as...tentid=4023544
here is just one of many on bmw

simont53

Ok so there are what, three? Type S actual owners on this forum and already with no experience of the vehicle ( and no data) there are non owners/drivers saying that the BMW is faster than the Type S ....maybe but maybe not;
ask those that have driven/owned both or at least one, I just said I would put the type S up there having experienced one.
This is not a race forum but a forum about a great vehicle that is fast

Mr. Hill

I had no ideal that the regular TL did 14.4 in the 1/4 mile. Is this true?

I was told its more like 15.2/15.4.

kobi2002

I think that was the 6 spd mt

mrodriques

SouthernBoy

Best times I've seen recorded and reported were by Car and Driver with a stock A-Spec manual (remember.. no difference in power outputs).

They managed a 14.3 at 99 MPH in the quarter mile, with a 5.6 0-60 run.

simont53

Check my other thread for pics

BustedJack

yes, the 335i is faster than the Type S.
Having driven both cars, you ought to know the numbers on both cars. You can see below here. The TL type S comes in no where near the numbers in 2007 3350. Even my S/C TL would still be slower.

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...35i-sedan.html
Paired with the standard six-speed transmission, this is sufficient to propel the 3616-pound 335i to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, with essentially no turbo lag—the tiny hesitation between the time the driver punches the throttle and the onset of full boost. That’s a tenth quicker to 60 mph than was the slightly lighter 335i coupe, an advantage the sedan held through the quarter-mile (13.5 seconds at 106 mph).


Remember, don't let the "type S" badge and the new gadges fool you. The type S only has 286hp, that's barely 243hp at the wheel on a dyno. It's quick, but it isn't BMW 335i fast.

simont53

Nobody is fooled,
Once again I was not the one comparing the Type S with the 335 , yes the 335 is faster, but the type S has impressed me it is not just horsepower, remapped shift points and throttle response settings also come into play , let some numbers come out on the type S first, I know the numbers are out on the 335 , but I did not purchase the Type S as a race car, there are always faster and slower cars out there.

broly

I have a gen2 TL-S. Which is the 260 HP 228Lb/TQ with an auto.

yes the 335i has 300 HP biturbo on a 3.0 litre. We'll see if I want it come summer, that interior really bothers me. And I dont think a new car that's FWD will cut it for me... Not when I have a winter car which would be my Gen 2 TypE S

broly

You guys got my TYpe S definition confused. i am talking about my Gen 2

and yes the TL has the best bang for buck no doubt, but I think the factor for me that lost it was FWD.

PS a 400 FWHP car can be taken by a 350 HP RWD car. Don't let HP fool you bud, Pushing > Pulling, by ALOT...

I am just saying my Gen 2 is pretty quick and I think this would have been a more mindless upgrade regardless of how nice the car was (it is really nice) just that the numbers don't stick out, 25 more tq and 30 more HP was more mindless for me to pay that kind of cash.

BustedJack

tru that

Legend2TL

Probably no doubt the 335 is quicker but it's only 14HP over a TL Type-S and weights ~100lb more. It's torque is also impressive at 300ftlb but also RWD cars typically have higher losses to the wheel than FWD esspecially a transverse engine car like the TL.

This because you do not have the rotational inertia of the rear propeller shaft and a 90 degree gear transfer in the differential (90o bevel gears have larger friction losses than 0 degree straight or angle gears). So typically a FWD car has less powertrain loss than a RWD car.

Also haven't seen the 335 gear ratios which is also important for any acceleration tests.

whatjones911

I forgot where i seen this but they dyno the 335i and got around 300hp to the WHEELS. They said bmw underrated the 335i.

Legend2TL

Most probably another urban legend.

Some of the Euro car magazines do wheel dyno testing and their results show the BMW specs for engines are quite close to the specified DIN rating minus the typical drivetrain losses (typically ~17% for a RWD 2WD manual drivetrain).

However it being a twin-turbo I have no doubt you could probably increase the boost some to get the 300+ WHP if you wanted.

mclarenf3387

No urban legend, multiple people have seen such numbers.

Heres automobile mags dyno http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...i_dynamometer/

SouthernBoy

Good points, all. However, we should not forget that a RWD has far better traction capabilities than a FWD platform. As for gears, the '04 manual has a rather high final drive at 3.28+. They make up for this in first gear, which is quite low, and which is also the reason why the '04 TL manual does not have a true close ratio gear box.. regardless of the ads (can't speak for the '05, '06, and '07s).

Let's assume that the new TL-S manages a quarter mile in 14.2 seconds at 101 MPH. The 335i does this in 13.5 at 106 MPH. Seven-tenths of a second in a drag race is a H-U-G-E amount of time. In the traps, that much time would equate to a 9 car lead!!

So either BMW is fudging or Acura is fudging or something's going on. Because that is just WAY TOO MUCH time difference for a mear 14 HP and 42 lb/ft of torque.

Legend2TL

Wow! Impressive curves.

Mr. Hill

Any idea what the Automatic runs? Thanks.

winstrolvtec

Acura claims that the type s is a full second faster. Found this at TOV. While I dont believe it is compared to the current TL, my theory is that it is based on the last gen type s which was only auto. So, auto vs. auto should be a full second faster, if that's what Acura claims. Now you guys can do the math on the 6mt.

286hp for an Acura fwd vehicle is more like 300hp. They put down more hp to the wheels, less drivetrain loss, not to mention it is lighter in manual vs. its competition. The 335ci is underrated, lays down 300 tq and 275 hp. What I know of the RL(same engine) is that it put down 256 auto. Expect more hp down from the 6mt, being lighter and you have a wash in hp. Now the extra tq on the bmw will only help depending on whose driving. An underrated 300 tq out the back of 3 coupe, think about it.


The 335 will have better 0-60 and 1/4 mile #'s, maybe .1-.3 of a second, but if Acura can carry over its traditional higher gearing, it will make up for it in 4th gear, and try to keep in mind how subjective and variable magazine racing can be.

SouthernBoy

No sir. But I would suspect may 0-60 runs in 6.2-6.3 seconds and quarter miles in the high 14's to very low 15's for the automatic.

SouthernBoy

The automatic TL's have a very low final drive (4.44:1 as I recall, while the manuals have a pretty high gear at 3.28:1). High final drives hurt acceleration, especially as you progress through the upper gears UNLESS the transmission gears are lower than usual to compensate for the higher final drive. What you want for drag racing is gearing low enough to allow the engine to stay in the maximum torque RPM range to the maximum horsepower range during your shifts and to max out as you pass through the traps.

simont53

Whoa!!................... this thread is way off topic....hijacked

SouthernBoy

Just trying to answer questions and remarks, sir. I shall not endeavor to hijack the thread. Sorry for any misgivings.