07 G35 vs 07 TL
11-07-2006, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by realfresh
i'm pretty sure that the coupe will stay unchanged until the 08 model year
11-07-2006, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by avs007
I think I remember someone saying the 08' Coupe will debut in the spring of 07'.
performance, 335>G35>TL-S
11-07-2006, 03:05 AM
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Sorry, but that is some weak sauce, my friend. You know a thread is getting downright silly when someone trots out anally computed driveline loss guesstimates to try to level the playing field. That might work when comparing with Infiniti (still very dubious), but it won't wash against BMW's conservative ratings.
I know it sucks, but the competition brought some serious ponies to the table. The TL-S is only a notch behind, but it is behind nonetheless. Hopefully there won't have to be any excuses made for the 4th gen.
I know it sucks, but the competition brought some serious ponies to the table. The TL-S is only a notch behind, but it is behind nonetheless. Hopefully there won't have to be any excuses made for the 4th gen.
11-07-2006, 09:10 AM
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That's a little too optimistic.
A 90o bevel gear in a differential and a RWD driveshaft with universal joints has a power loss of 2-3%.
So comparing a front engine RWD vehicle with 300HP engine shaft HP is comparable to a transverse front engine FWD vehicle with ~291-294HP engine shaft HP.
Also assuming both vehicles have independent drive suspenions with CV joints.
A 90o bevel gear in a differential and a RWD driveshaft with universal joints has a power loss of 2-3%.
So comparing a front engine RWD vehicle with 300HP engine shaft HP is comparable to a transverse front engine FWD vehicle with ~291-294HP engine shaft HP.
Also assuming both vehicles have independent drive suspenions with CV joints.
Originally Posted by winstrolvtec
With the new SAE ratings, it's more like 15% auto and 10% manual in the percentage of drivetrain loss. 286hp is still only 286hp, but on a fwd setup you can compare it to a rwd 300hp, in most cases.
11-07-2006, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
Here is the dyno from the car. One was done in a lower gear so it showed different results. 1:1 is 5th gear on the G35. And it hits a speed limiter and can't rev all the way to redline on the better dyno. So we did one in 4th and came out with the other results.
I just want you guys to be correctly informed. Mr. Pimpin-tl has a tendency to bend the truth to favor his point.
Oh, and if I had the money, I'd take an 07 G35 over a TL any day of the week. No offense to you guys. Also, the leather in my 03 G35 looks brand spanking new. I'm actually shocked at how well it's held up.
11-07-2006, 01:07 PM
#127
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Originally Posted by avs007
Does the manumatic finally allow you to hold all gears till redline? That always annoyed me that our 05' TL doesn't do that.
11-07-2006, 02:28 PM
#128
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
What "pimpin-tl" isn't telling you guys is that this plot is of his 05 G35 6MT AFTER modifications. This is not stock. His mods at the time were a modified intake plenum, true dual catback exhaust, and intake. Most 298hp "Rev Up" G35s/Zs will see ~245whp/220wtq. The 260-280hp motors usually see 235whp/230wtq and the autos see about 10whp/10twq less.
I just want you guys to be correctly informed. Mr. Pimpin-tl has a tendency to bend the truth to favor his point.
Oh, and if I had the money, I'd take an 07 G35 over a TL any day of the week. No offense to you guys. Also, the leather in my 03 G35 looks brand spanking new. I'm actually shocked at how well it's held up.
I just want you guys to be correctly informed. Mr. Pimpin-tl has a tendency to bend the truth to favor his point.
Oh, and if I had the money, I'd take an 07 G35 over a TL any day of the week. No offense to you guys. Also, the leather in my 03 G35 looks brand spanking new. I'm actually shocked at how well it's held up.
11-07-2006, 03:07 PM
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Great to see al the impressions of the TL-s and the G35. I drove the G35 yesterday (and the Tl-s a week ago)and here are my thoughts:
The G is a beast in the power department. Plenty of low end torque, this car feels more like a sports car than a sedan. I did notice that the travel of the accelerator pedal was really short. It did not take a lot of throttle input for this car to move. The G was a lot more fun to drive than the Tl-s.
The interior of the G is exactly as advertised, a huge upgrade from the previous, but still lower quality than Acura. However, the steering wheel is smaller and thicker than the Tl-s, and the sport seats (I drove the G35 sport) had better lateral bolstering(power air bladders). My only beef with the new G interior is the foot activated parking brake, BS for a sporting sedan!
Keyless everything on the G and power steering column offset the better nav on the Tl-s imo.
After driving the G, The Tl-s seemed a bit boring.
Overall, I need to decide next month (Tl-s, G35, IS350, 335). All things considered, unless the Tl-s is seriously discounted, I am going with the G.
The G is a beast in the power department. Plenty of low end torque, this car feels more like a sports car than a sedan. I did notice that the travel of the accelerator pedal was really short. It did not take a lot of throttle input for this car to move. The G was a lot more fun to drive than the Tl-s.
The interior of the G is exactly as advertised, a huge upgrade from the previous, but still lower quality than Acura. However, the steering wheel is smaller and thicker than the Tl-s, and the sport seats (I drove the G35 sport) had better lateral bolstering(power air bladders). My only beef with the new G interior is the foot activated parking brake, BS for a sporting sedan!
Keyless everything on the G and power steering column offset the better nav on the Tl-s imo.
After driving the G, The Tl-s seemed a bit boring.
Overall, I need to decide next month (Tl-s, G35, IS350, 335). All things considered, unless the Tl-s is seriously discounted, I am going with the G.
11-07-2006, 05:38 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
The 07 G35 5AT should because my 03 G35 5AT will allow me to bounce off the limiter as much as I wish.
11-07-2006, 05:40 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by saw1
My only beef with the new G interior is the foot activated parking brake, BS for a sporting sedan!
Infiniti needs to lose those headlights and taillights. I like my TL.
11-07-2006, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tlbkcal
and if only engineers had our ways, no one would be able to afford cars because they would all be filled with all the latest gadgets. So as an engineer, you'd choose memory mirrors over 306 hp?
look what Nissan put in between the seat and the door this time instead. Now you have to open the door to adjust seat. now 306hp or better designs? which one?
BTW, My G is seeing only 15MPG local80%. Is that normal?
11-08-2006, 12:12 AM
#136
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Originally Posted by Nykor
Can you elaborate on this Lembowski?
So you flip the switch and you can enter something in while in motion, then flip the switch back, and everything else functions normally.
11-08-2006, 07:37 PM
#137
Originally Posted by ttliang
I never started to truely appreciate my TL until a few days after I picked up my G35. Too many "what were you thinking?" coming out of my mouth when I drive my G. For example, Memory seat function that doesn't include adjusting side mirrors...."What were you thinking???".
Being a engineer myself I just can't imagine some fellow engineers sat there and said "let's don't include the side mirrors in the memory seat package a" and the rest of them engineers said "amen"..."oh BTW let's hide the memory seat buttons in between the door and the bottom of your driver's seat so people can't see and it's hard to use while they are already in the car" stuff like that....etc etc.
Being a engineer myself I just can't imagine some fellow engineers sat there and said "let's don't include the side mirrors in the memory seat package a" and the rest of them engineers said "amen"..."oh BTW let's hide the memory seat buttons in between the door and the bottom of your driver's seat so people can't see and it's hard to use while they are already in the car" stuff like that....etc etc.
Memory seats in the TSX doesn't control the mirros either
11-08-2006, 07:53 PM
#138
Originally Posted by kobi2002
One thing that gets me about some of the post is that you guy are saying how the g35 will blow the doors off the tl but never considered that the g35 is only 20 horses more and 12 pounds ot torque more than the tl. and looking at where the power peaks. Tl-s 286 @6000 and 256 lbs ft at 5000. G35 306 @ 6800 and 268@4800, which means it does not see the full 306 till past the tl-s 6000 @ 286. 12 pounds of torque is not going to blow the doors off any car. Most of you need to stop relying on the but dyno and wait till the numbers come out for the tl-s. torque curves will have to be looked at also, where is most of the torque.
I am not saying the tl-s will beat the g even though I already raced one . but if it dumps all its torque in the bottom and nothing up top then who will have its win???. Butt dynoes never work. I have been in cars that glue you to the seat in the lower rpm and that is it. nothing up top. you also have to consider the fact that rwd will loose more hp in the drivetrain than a fwd., agian I am not giving the tl-s the checkered flag because I have one but I ca tell you that the g from my own eyes is not night day faster than the tl-s. believe me its not. you would be surprised
I am not saying the tl-s will beat the g even though I already raced one . but if it dumps all its torque in the bottom and nothing up top then who will have its win???. Butt dynoes never work. I have been in cars that glue you to the seat in the lower rpm and that is it. nothing up top. you also have to consider the fact that rwd will loose more hp in the drivetrain than a fwd., agian I am not giving the tl-s the checkered flag because I have one but I ca tell you that the g from my own eyes is not night day faster than the tl-s. believe me its not. you would be surprised
Try taking some turns once in awhile.
11-08-2006, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by psteng19
Yeah, you mean the same way the ACURA engineers didn't think about that in the TSX?
Memory seats in the TSX doesn't control the mirros either
Memory seats in the TSX doesn't control the mirros either
What does the TSX have to do with this comparison?
11-08-2006, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by psteng19
ACURA engineering.
11-09-2006, 12:51 AM
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if price wasn't an option I would have maybe gone for the g35. Similarly equipped, the g35 is around 41k and the tl-s is 38k. I don't know about you but the differences aren't really worth 3k, I'd take the tl-s. Also, no official times have been released for the type s yet, so we can't compare them performance-wise.
Pros to the g35: the backup camera, AWD, and possibly performance.
RWD isn't necessarily better for me (being around snow). and the only way for the sport stuff is with the RWD.
I wonder how mileage compares?---> win for the tl
Also IMO, g35's are an older-person car. I like the sleek, sporty styling of the type-s.
IMO, the g35 beats the normal tl (unless you don't care about performance). However, I'd rather have the Type-S than the g35.
Pros to the g35: the backup camera, AWD, and possibly performance.
RWD isn't necessarily better for me (being around snow). and the only way for the sport stuff is with the RWD.
I wonder how mileage compares?---> win for the tl
Also IMO, g35's are an older-person car. I like the sleek, sporty styling of the type-s.
IMO, the g35 beats the normal tl (unless you don't care about performance). However, I'd rather have the Type-S than the g35.
11-09-2006, 06:44 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by groovyone789
if price wasn't an option I would have maybe gone for the g35. Similarly equipped, the g35 is around 41k and the tl-s is 38k. I don't know about you but the differences aren't really worth 3k, I'd take the tl-s. Also, no official times have been released for the type s yet, so we can't compare them performance-wise.
Pros to the g35: the backup camera, AWD, and possibly performance.
RWD isn't necessarily better for me (being around snow). and the only way for the sport stuff is with the RWD.
I wonder how mileage compares?---> win for the tl
Also IMO, g35's are an older-person car. I like the sleek, sporty styling of the type-s.
IMO, the g35 beats the normal tl (unless you don't care about performance). However, I'd rather have the Type-S than the g35.
Pros to the g35: the backup camera, AWD, and possibly performance.
RWD isn't necessarily better for me (being around snow). and the only way for the sport stuff is with the RWD.
I wonder how mileage compares?---> win for the tl
Also IMO, g35's are an older-person car. I like the sleek, sporty styling of the type-s.
IMO, the g35 beats the normal tl (unless you don't care about performance). However, I'd rather have the Type-S than the g35.
The problem is there is no price difference, unless you buy AWD version which is 2000 more.
11-09-2006, 12:02 PM
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G vs TL
When I initiated this thread, I was really comparing 07 G vs 07 TL. And then other people became more focused on G vs TL-S. I think it's a concensus that G is vastly better than 07 TL given the price, performance, look, etc. G vs TL-s is where it becomes less clear and becomes very subjective.
All in all, this has been a very civil debate and informational. 07 G is definately an all around winner. The only major flaw it has is gas mileage, IMHO.
All in all, this has been a very civil debate and informational. 07 G is definately an all around winner. The only major flaw it has is gas mileage, IMHO.
11-09-2006, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wilsonzhang2006
When I initiated this thread, I was really comparing 07 G vs 07 TL. And then other people became more focused on G vs TL-S. I think it's a concensus that G is vastly better than 07 TL given the price, performance, look, etc. G vs TL-s is where it becomes less clear and becomes very subjective.
All in all, this has been a very civil debate and informational. 07 G is definately an all around winner. The only major flaw it has is gas mileage, IMHO.
All in all, this has been a very civil debate and informational. 07 G is definately an all around winner. The only major flaw it has is gas mileage, IMHO.
Power wise- the G has a alot of advantage over the base TL both in hp and torque.
Performance- really depends on whether or not you prefer FWD or RWD. Some folks prefer FWD in snowy regions.
I would hardly characterize that the G is vastly better than a base 07 IMHO.
11-09-2006, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ggesq
Although the new G IMHO looks better inside and out- the TL still outshines the G.
Power wise- the G has a alot of advantage over the base TL both in hp and torque.
Performance- really depends on whether or not you prefer FWD or RWD. Some folks prefer FWD in snowy regions.
I would hardly characterize that the G is vastly better than a base 07 IMHO.
Power wise- the G has a alot of advantage over the base TL both in hp and torque.
Performance- really depends on whether or not you prefer FWD or RWD. Some folks prefer FWD in snowy regions.
I would hardly characterize that the G is vastly better than a base 07 IMHO.
In dry weather RWD > FWD, all day any day when you're talking performance.
11-09-2006, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by psteng19
Sorry, performance goes to the G hands down. What you described might be classified as safety.
In dry weather RWD > FWD, all day any day when you're talking performance.
In dry weather RWD > FWD, all day any day when you're talking performance.
11-09-2006, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by psteng19
ACURA engineering.
11-09-2006, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by psteng19
Sorry, performance goes to the G hands down. What you described might be classified as safety.
In dry weather RWD > FWD, all day any day when you're talking performance.
In dry weather RWD > FWD, all day any day when you're talking performance.
For most cars that is a general rule but it is far from absolute. Many other factors need to be considered.
I have driven the previous G and current TL, neither car is superior in overall perfromance. Still waiting to drive a 2G G.
11-09-2006, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Highly over simplified statement with many other factors to consider. A friend autocrosses her Mini-S and consistently beats her old times in a Miata. Both cars are close in power, weight and size. The Miata is RWD and Min FWD. Also look at the results of the British touring car races were Euro Accord's (Acura TSX to Americans) used to outperform the previous BMW 3 series on racecourses.
For most cars that is a general rule but it is far from absolute. Many other factors need to be considered.
I have driven the previous G and current TL, neither car is superior in overall perfromance. Still waiting to drive a 2G G.
For most cars that is a general rule but it is far from absolute. Many other factors need to be considered.
I have driven the previous G and current TL, neither car is superior in overall perfromance. Still waiting to drive a 2G G.
I used to own a 2000 Ford SVT Contour and let me tell you people, that car would flat handle. How 'bout .92 skid pads for starters in stock trim? Also, I have a neighbor who races at Summit Point. Now he has a Civic, but several years ago, he had an Integra. He took me for a ride in his Integra and liked to scared the hell out of me. He can D-R-I-V-E, that's for sure and that Integra did things that would amaze you.
So while I am still a fan of RWD (especially American hot machinery), I freely admit to the fact that there are amazing driving machines out there.. in both platforms.
11-09-2006, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Highly over simplified statement with many other factors to consider. A friend autocrosses her Mini-S and consistently beats her old times in a Miata. Both cars are close in power, weight and size. The Miata is RWD and Min FWD. Also look at the results of the British touring car races were Euro Accord's (Acura TSX to Americans) used to outperform the previous BMW 3 series on racecourses.
For most cars that is a general rule but it is far from absolute. Many other factors need to be considered.
I have driven the previous G and current TL, neither car is superior in overall perfromance. Still waiting to drive a 2G G.
For most cars that is a general rule but it is far from absolute. Many other factors need to be considered.
I have driven the previous G and current TL, neither car is superior in overall perfromance. Still waiting to drive a 2G G.
11-09-2006, 08:18 PM
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both are great cars, I would go with a fully loaded g35X if I could afford it, but I can't so I went with the tl because of the features that would be extra on the g and the front wheel drive opposed to the rwd. but like I said if I could afford the x it would be a no brainer.
11-09-2006, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mlody
Not sure where you are getting such prices. Fully loaded g35 Sport 6MT is 38500 and fully loaded g35 AWD is 40500 (both include destination).
The problem is there is no price difference, unless you buy AWD version which is 2000 more.
The problem is there is no price difference, unless you buy AWD version which is 2000 more.
sorry,
i was looking at the auto's
and if i remember right i had one priced out to like 43k (might have been an '06)
11-10-2006, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Hey Legend.. you sure we don't have the same parents?
. Although I must admit you got the far better writing skills.
11-10-2006, 09:10 AM
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One of my most memorable cars that I ever drove, was a 2nd Gen Ford Probe GT (1994-95?) with the 2.5L V6 and a 5 speed manual gearbox. I test drove it with my sister-in-law (I was helping her shop for a new car). The Probe GT was incredible in handling and balance. It was clearly better than it's Mazda MX-6 cousin (which were made on the same basic drivetrain/suspension/under-unibody) I also drove the same day. I kept thinking that I couldn't believe it was FWD since it was almost entirely neutral even at the tires limits (Goodyear VR Eagles). Very easy car to take to the limit. That was a amazing Ford product.
Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
While I certainly favor RWD over FWD (mostly because FWD has notoriously poor traction - drag racing), I will easily admit that there are some fine FWD machines on the market. And the TL is one of them.
I used to own a 2000 Ford SVT Contour and let me tell you people, that car would flat handle. How 'bout .92 skid pads for starters in stock trim? Also, I have a neighbor who races at Summit Point. Now he has a Civic, but several years ago, he had an Integra. He took me for a ride in his Integra and liked to scared the hell out of me. He can D-R-I-V-E, that's for sure and that Integra did things that would amaze you.
So while I am still a fan of RWD (especially American hot machinery), I freely admit to the fact that there are amazing driving machines out there.. in both platforms.
I used to own a 2000 Ford SVT Contour and let me tell you people, that car would flat handle. How 'bout .92 skid pads for starters in stock trim? Also, I have a neighbor who races at Summit Point. Now he has a Civic, but several years ago, he had an Integra. He took me for a ride in his Integra and liked to scared the hell out of me. He can D-R-I-V-E, that's for sure and that Integra did things that would amaze you.
So while I am still a fan of RWD (especially American hot machinery), I freely admit to the fact that there are amazing driving machines out there.. in both platforms.
11-10-2006, 10:45 AM
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My brother had a 1989 Ford Probe GT (Turbo) and it was a better handling and more powerful car over the 92+ Ford Probe GT's. It had adjustable shocks, and a powerful (lots of torque steer) turbocharged engine. Better looking too.
11-10-2006, 10:55 AM
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When I was a kid (teens to 20's), I was a solid Chevy man. I also liked and respected several other GM supercars such as the GTO, the 442, and the Grand Sport (Buick Skylark). The old adage.. win on Sunday, sell on Monday proved the GM supercars to be dominant at the drags and in the showroom.
But I gave up brand loyalty a long time ago, though I still admit to a preference for American machines such as Mustangs and Corvettes. For some time now, I buy what satisfies my wants and needs at the time I'm in the market. I love the fact that there is so much from which to chose for gearheads. Be it a G35, a TL, a CTS-V, or whatever, there are really some nice machines out there.
But I gave up brand loyalty a long time ago, though I still admit to a preference for American machines such as Mustangs and Corvettes. For some time now, I buy what satisfies my wants and needs at the time I'm in the market. I love the fact that there is so much from which to chose for gearheads. Be it a G35, a TL, a CTS-V, or whatever, there are really some nice machines out there.
11-10-2006, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
One of my most memorable cars that I ever drove, was a 2nd Gen Ford Probe GT (1994-95?) with the 2.5L V6 and a 5 speed manual gearbox. I test drove it with my sister-in-law (I was helping her shop for a new car). The Probe GT was incredible in handling and balance. It was clearly better than it's Mazda MX-6 cousin (which were made on the same basic drivetrain/suspension/under-unibody) I also drove the same day. I kept thinking that I couldn't believe it was FWD since it was almost entirely neutral even at the tires limits (Goodyear VR Eagles). Very easy car to take to the limit. That was a amazing Ford product.
My last car was a 1994 Probe GT 5 speed, silver on black.
At the time, and for it's price range, it was an exceptional sports car....smooth and refined. It was also well received by the automotive press and made it to Automobile's 10 Best list a few years in a row.
Ultimately I traded it in for a 2005 TL.....quite a step up.
11-10-2006, 12:51 PM
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Hey- hijacked from the main topic!
What's this discussion about Probes, etc. doing in this thread?? 
No wonder this thread is still going well beyond anticipated life expectancy...
Oh, and after taking a look at the 07' TL-S in a dealership: The interior and performance mods are all good, as the steering wheel looked ugly in photos but nice in actual car. None of the exterior appearance changes is favorable, though.
I haven't looked at the '07 G35 yet.
No wonder this thread is still going well beyond anticipated life expectancy...
Oh, and after taking a look at the 07' TL-S in a dealership: The interior and performance mods are all good, as the steering wheel looked ugly in photos but nice in actual car. None of the exterior appearance changes is favorable, though.
I haven't looked at the '07 G35 yet.
11-10-2006, 01:20 PM
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The 2G 2.5L V6 had more power (164HP) over the Turbo (145HP). A friend's wife had a 1G Probe, it was nice but not in the same class as the 2nd generation Probes handling wise. However a colleague had alot of problems with the cylinder heads on his 2G V6 Probe, both were replaced under a recall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Probe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Probe
Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
My brother had a 1989 Ford Probe GT (Turbo) and it was a better handling and more powerful car over the 92+ Ford Probe GT's. It had adjustable shocks, and a powerful (lots of torque steer) turbocharged engine. Better looking too.