04 TL vs. 96 S320

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 24, 2003 | 05:06 PM
  #1  
Teh Jatt's Avatar
Thread Starter
The Oracle of Acurazine!
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,706
Likes: 44
From: Fresno, CA
04 TL vs. 96 S320

hey guys....

my cousin owns 96 s320... and he wants to race with me... he's been bothering me for days now.... and i wanted to wait till break in period... currently i got 450 miles on it.... well neways

only thing i know about this car is that its V6.... well can any one tell me the HP, LITER AND ETC.....
and which is faster? 04 TL or 96 S320

thanx
Reply
Old Dec 24, 2003 | 05:15 PM
  #2  
rets's Avatar
Moderator Alumnus
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 12,177
Likes: 86
From: NYC/SF/Tokyo/HK
Re: 04 TL vs. 96 S320

U would win, absolutely....

96 S320 is at least 4500 lb, it should be similar to current E320 (221hp/232lb)... or less...I guess...


Happy Holidays....
Reply
Old Dec 24, 2003 | 05:18 PM
  #3  
Teh Jatt's Avatar
Thread Starter
The Oracle of Acurazine!
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,706
Likes: 44
From: Fresno, CA
thanx i'm gonna race his ass now......
Reply
Old Dec 24, 2003 | 05:20 PM
  #4  
PeterUbers's Avatar
Safety Car
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,057
Likes: 9
From: Chicago, IL
you would D E S T R O Y him
Reply
Old Dec 24, 2003 | 05:47 PM
  #5  
UA5-TL's Avatar
Racer
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 447
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver
yea you'll beat him but not sure about off the line..i'm sure the S320 has a bit more torque...
i'm sure he'll be staying close tho

unless he's hiding a Kleeman charger under there...if so then
Reply
Old Dec 24, 2003 | 07:05 PM
  #6  
PeterUbers's Avatar
Safety Car
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,057
Likes: 9
From: Chicago, IL
Originally posted by UA5-TL
yea you'll beat him but not sure about off the line..i'm sure the S320 has a bit more torque...
i'm sure he'll be staying close tho

unless he's hiding a Kleeman charger under there...if so then
naw dude.. like the previous guy stated... it's 221hp, 232lb-ft of torque...

the MB may beat him in the first 2 feet!!!, but the TL has the rest ...
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 12:33 AM
  #7  
samkws's Avatar
Comptech Freak
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,555
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Canada
lol
i had the 92 S320 too....and it has a 0-60 time of 8.6 sec with the SWB model
the LWB model takes 8.9 sec

it has an INLINE 6 engine that has 231hp, but then reduced to 228hp for the later models...

it weights at least 4600lb compare to our TL's 3600lb, but it's already so gd for the S320 to get under 9sec~

and it has a top spd of 230km
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 01:29 AM
  #8  
Ken1997TL's Avatar
Senior Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 45,641
Likes: 2,335
From: Better Neighborhood, Arizona
The S class is a heavy car that is almost pointless in having anything less than the 4.3 liter engine.

S320 is just pointless. Its like putting a Civic 1.6 in the RL.

BTW, your TL makes about the same amount of torque, so in reality you should beat him even off the line.
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 03:01 AM
  #9  
samkws's Avatar
Comptech Freak
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,555
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Canada
Originally posted by Ken1997TL
The S class is a heavy car that is almost pointless in having anything less than the 4.3 liter engine.

S320 is just pointless. Its like putting a Civic 1.6 in the RL.
b4 u riding/driving one, u would think so

but i had a S320 b4, and it's not as slow as u think, it has a 0-60 time in just 8.6 sec, which comes close with the camry V6

however the fuel econ is sooooo bad...around 12/13mpg even with the inline 6

the torque from the old Inline 6 available so early that it gets to move around easy but lack of high rpm power, that's y they are using the V6 now, which is lower cost and has a broader power band.
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 10:44 AM
  #10  
PeterUbers's Avatar
Safety Car
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,057
Likes: 9
From: Chicago, IL
Originally posted by samkws
b4 u riding/driving one, u would think so

but i had a S320 b4, and it's not as slow as u think, it has a 0-60 time in just 8.6 sec, which comes close with the camry V6

however the fuel econ is sooooo bad...around 12/13mpg even with the inline 6

the torque from the old Inline 6 available so early that it gets to move around easy but lack of high rpm power, that's y they are using the V6 now, which is lower cost and has a broader power band.
interesting you say that, b/c before we got our '99 E320, (switched to the V-6 as you know from the same size I-6 in '98) .. all the carmags and mercedes stated the opposite, how the I-6 was much peppier mid-range and high-range, but NO low-end torque that Americans appreciate and crave. So i wonder where you got this from .. Clearly the gearing in the first 2 or 3 gears in the S320 was more aggressive than the E' to account for the extra weight .. hence your horrible MPG. That's the same approach SUV manufacturers use to make their blocks of steel w/ wheels semi-quick to really-quick... aggressive gearing.
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 11:11 AM
  #11  
Advanced
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
From: Plainfield, NJ
The 96 MB S 320 is universally acknowledged as grossly underpowered by all car mags that had reviewed the car when new. 220 or so hp to move a 4000 + lb car is a no go. Why anyone would compare their car to this slow tank is beyond me.
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 11:37 AM
  #12  
jdone's Avatar
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 0
From: Louisville
Wasn't the '96 S-320 the Princess Di car. Shame she didn't buckle up.
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 01:08 PM
  #13  
samkws's Avatar
Comptech Freak
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,555
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Canada
Originally posted by PeterUbers
interesting you say that, b/c before we got our '99 E320, (switched to the V-6 as you know from the same size I-6 in '98) .. all the carmags and mercedes stated the opposite, how the I-6 was much peppier mid-range and high-range, but NO low-end torque that Americans appreciate and crave. So i wonder where you got this from .. Clearly the gearing in the first 2 or 3 gears in the S320 was more aggressive than the E' to account for the extra weight .. hence your horrible MPG. That's the same approach SUV manufacturers use to make their blocks of steel w/ wheels semi-quick to really-quick... aggressive gearing.
the V6 revs a lot faster, thanks to the 5spd auto....mine had a 4spd auto and the engine was too lazy to go over 3000rpm...

the car is brisk from a stop, 8.6 sec is a very impressive time for this heavy car.

the E320 is a lot faster, 7.1sec with the old I6, and probably 6.9sec for the V6 coz of the lighter engine and a better high end~

btw my car revs at 3100rpm at 60mph, which is not so gd for hwy driving, that's y it has the horrible MPG
|
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 01:16 PM
  #14  
rets's Avatar
Moderator Alumnus
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 12,177
Likes: 86
From: NYC/SF/Tokyo/HK
Originally posted by jdone
Wasn't the '96 S-320 the Princess Di car. Shame she didn't buckle up.

Which rich guys would fasten their seat belts in the rear seats? I never heard of it.


Happy Holidays.
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 02:35 PM
  #15  
iNteGraz92's Avatar
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,081
Likes: 0
From: El Monte, CA
IMO, the s320 is for ppl who just want the benz badge. you just can't put that engine in such a heavy car.
Reply
Old Dec 25, 2003 | 03:14 PM
  #16  
samkws's Avatar
Comptech Freak
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,555
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Canada
Originally posted by jdone
Wasn't the '96 S-320 the Princess Di car. Shame she didn't buckle up.
that was a S280

and guess what? i never buckle up at the rear seat of my S320 too...
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2003 | 11:17 AM
  #17  
jdone's Avatar
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,506
Likes: 0
From: Louisville
Originally posted by samkws
that was a S280

and guess what? i never buckle up at the rear seat of my S320 too...
When you are in the rear seat I doubt the car is in motion, at least not forward motion.
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2003 | 12:27 PM
  #18  
PeterUbers's Avatar
Safety Car
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,057
Likes: 9
From: Chicago, IL
You all know, however, that in Europe, they used to (and probably still do) put 4-bangers to 12-cylinder engines in the S Class .. there is such a wider array of engine options in Europe that it's bizzare to read about the S220 or S280 ..

http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/in...?model=s_class

click on "model range" .. you'll see the S280, S350, etc... those people aren't concerned about the "badge" .. they just want a car large enough for their needs, power isn't one of them.
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2003 | 12:28 PM
  #19  
PeterUbers's Avatar
Safety Car
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,057
Likes: 9
From: Chicago, IL
S280 ... hehehe... 0-62mph in UNDER 10 SECONDS! LOL
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2003 | 12:43 PM
  #20  
rets's Avatar
Moderator Alumnus
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 12,177
Likes: 86
From: NYC/SF/Tokyo/HK

those people aren't concerned about the "badge" .. they just want a car large enough for their needs, power isn't one of them.
Europeans like either big cars or compact/tiny vehicles. Extremely....

The small towns and crowded cities are everywhere... and, environmental protection regulations and tax would kill them if they're not rich enough to support their big engine cars...
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2003 | 01:15 AM
  #21  
NOX 3.2's Avatar
TL-SHAWD 6MT Rocks!
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,002
Likes: 1
From: Houston, TX
you don't even need to use the Sport-Shift !

just make sure it's a real S320 not an E55 in disguise.!
look under the hood before.
Reply
Old Dec 27, 2003 | 01:35 PM
  #22  
samkws's Avatar
Comptech Freak
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,555
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Canada
Originally posted by PeterUbers
You all know, however, that in Europe, they used to (and probably still do) put 4-bangers to 12-cylinder engines in the S Class .. there is such a wider array of engine options in Europe that it's bizzare to read about the S220 or S280 ..

http://www.mercedes-benz.co.uk/pc/in...?model=s_class

click on "model range" .. you'll see the S280, S350, etc... those people aren't concerned about the "badge" .. they just want a car large enough for their needs, power isn't one of them.
b4 i got the S320, i had a 1990 230E in Hong Kong, and that was reallie underpowered for such heavy car

my another BMW 525i is much more livier and atheletic
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Yumcha
Automotive News
4
Aug 15, 2019 12:58 PM
DiamondJoeQuimby
Car Parts for Sale
1
Sep 10, 2015 11:40 AM
mattg
Car Talk
245
Oct 20, 2003 03:15 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 PM.