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Old 04-23-2008, 02:33 PM
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04 TL vs 04 G35...

My friend was recording in his 350z... We were rolling at 65mph.

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-2004 TL 6spd
- Comptech Shortshifter

-2004 G35 6spd
- Stillen Intake
- Full catback exhaust
- 19" Axis Shine

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The problem with 6MT TL cars is that they are too fast.

I know how fast this damn thing is as I have raced with some Nissan cars and BMW 5 series.


Nice video, but would've been better if it was about 30 times longer.


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I know you won but how many car lengths did you pull?
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After I hit 95+ I had like 2 cars... I was still in 4th gear when he shifted into 5th. I believe a g35 redline is 6200-6400...

maybe I'll get a longer video sometime this week. The guy in the G is my cousin... so, there will be plenty of race. Also, beat my buddy's 06 350z (300hp) rolling at 90mph.. We were side by side till I hit 5th gear (around 125ish) slowly pulled on em.
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Originally Posted by 99vtecaccord
After I hit 95+ I had like 2 cars... I was still in 4th gear when he shifted into 5th. I believe a g35 redline is 6200-6400...

maybe I'll get a longer video sometime this week. The guy in the G is my cousin... so, there will be plenty of race. Also, beat my buddy's 06 350z (300hp) rolling at 90mph.. We were side by side till I hit 5th gear (around 125ish) slowly pulled on em.
That'z good....



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Making me want to get a 6pd TL too haha
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Dave B will be along shortly to rain on your parade and tell you that it's a well known fact amongst the Infiniti community that certain '04 6 spd G35's suffered from a parabolic/hyperbolic resonance induced G-shock power loss when Stillen intakes are installed, thus reducing the G's WHP to around 80 and that he hung with you pretty well for having less than 100 ponies.


But hey......nice kill.
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
Dave B will be along shortly to rain on your parade and tell you that it's a well known fact amongst the Infiniti community that certain '04 6 spd G35's suffered from a parabolic/hyperbolic resonance induced G-shock power loss when Stillen intakes are installed, thus reducing the G's WHP to around 80 and that he hung with you pretty well for having less than 100 ponies.


But hey......nice kill.
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Plus dude had on 19's...I read somewhere that every 1lb you add to the crank is as if you dumped 60lbs in the car which makes sense but that's the only reason you pulled on him
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Originally Posted by road_boy
Plus dude had on 19's...I read somewhere that every 1lb you add to the crank is as if you dumped 60lbs in the car which makes sense but that's the only reason you pulled on him
Well, I read somewhere that Bat Boy (not to be confused with Batboy, hence the space) led cops on a tri-state chase! In fact, here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy
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Originally Posted by road_boy
Plus dude had on 19's...I read somewhere that every 1lb you add to the crank is as if you dumped 60lbs in the car which makes sense but that's the only reason you pulled on him
The G35 comes with 19's as a factory option...
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
Dave B will be along shortly to rain on your parade and tell you that it's a well known fact amongst the Infiniti community that certain '04 6 spd G35's suffered from a parabolic/hyperbolic resonance induced G-shock power loss when Stillen intakes are installed, thus reducing the G's WHP to around 80 and that he hung with you pretty well for having less than 100 ponies.


But hey......nice kill.
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Street racing = worthless. I don't know how many times I have to say that.

Just a 0.2 second reaction time difference can mean car lengths as the race progresses. Like I've said numerous time before, I've beaten many 13-second cars at the strip because outreacted and/or out 60'd them. They still posted a better ET, but I still got to the finish first. If that was a street race, ignorant people would think I had the faster car. It would be silly for me to post a street race of my G35 putting multiple car lengths on an LS1 F-body (mid to low 13 second car) and claim my car is quicker

Why don't you guys keep the stupidity off the street and take it to the strip? Are you so worried about finding out what your car is really capable of?

BTW, the 03/04 G35s redline at 6600rpms, about 6800rpm indicated on the tach. Additionally, Cobb Tuning has recently proven that the Stillen CAI, pop chargers, and other aftermarket G35/Z intakes, including their own prototype, hurt power by 3 to 8whp. All the intakes negatively impacted the A/F ratios and make them bounce all over the place, especially above 4500rpms. The catback (assuming it's true dual) is good for about 4 to 8whp.
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
The G35 comes with 19's as a factory option...
Yep, and they're outfitted with the large Brembo brake package and rear wheel steeer. Typically they're a 14.4-14.6 second cars due to the additional rotating inertia and weight.
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Oh, and don't get me wrong. I'm not saying a 6MT TL can't outrun a G35. They're pretty dang close, especially from any sort of roll.
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"Dave B" x 2?
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lol anx1300c you were so right haha!!
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sorry to hijack but whatabout 04TL AT vs 04G35 AT? g35 would smoke me straight up?
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Originally Posted by ecliptics
sorry to hijack but whatabout 04TL AT vs 04G35 AT? g35 would smoke me straight up?
I wouldn't say smoked, but you'd get walked. From a stop, it would probably be worse if he knows how to launch correctly. If he leaves the car in D from a roll, the tranny will shift the 2-3 and 3-4 way too early giving you a much better chance.
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
I wouldn't say smoked, but you'd get walked. From a stop, it would probably be worse if he knows how to launch correctly. If he leaves the car in D from a roll, the tranny will shift the 2-3 and 3-4 way too early giving you a much better chance.
Wrong....


The TL 5AT will get raped by '04 G35 5AT, in both 0-60 and 0-150. There is no chance unless the driver in the G35 keeps the gas pedal pressed down half way.
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Drag strip racing doesn't mean anything...
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Wrong....


The TL 5AT will get raped by '04 G35 5AT, in both 0-60 and 0-150. There is no chance unless the driver in the G35 keeps the gas pedal pressed down half way.
Yeah right, I raced my friends G coupe from a 50 roll and we were pretty much dead even up to 120 where be both let off. You can't really fuck up racing an auto from a roll People make the G35 sound a lot faster than it is...
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Yeah right, I raced my friends G coupe from a 50 roll and we were pretty much dead even up to 120 where be both let off. You can't really fuck up racing an auto from a roll People make the G35 sound a lot faster than it is...
You can't fuck up racing a manual from a roll either unless you're an utter idiot. It takes no more skill than the auto.
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Wrong....


The TL 5AT will get raped by '04 G35 5AT, in both 0-60 and 0-150. There is no chance unless the driver in the G35 keeps the gas pedal pressed down half way.
Well actually there's very little difference in acceleration between applying the pedal through 50% of it's travel and 100% so you are actually correct .......this time.
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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
Drag strip racing doesn't mean anything...
True, unless you:

1) Want to see what kind of driver you are
2) The true numbers your car can achieve
3) Don't want to get a ticket
4) Don't want to kill someone and go to jail
5) Don't want your car impounded and possibly taken

Otherwise, yes, you're right
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haha I better stay out of this this time...
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Street racing = worthless. I don't know how many times I have to say that.

Just a 0.2 second reaction time difference can mean car lengths as the race progresses. Like I've said numerous time before, I've beaten many 13-second cars at the strip because outreacted and/or out 60'd them. They still posted a better ET, but I still got to the finish first. If that was a street race, ignorant people would think I had the faster car. It would be silly for me to post a street race of my G35 putting multiple car lengths on an LS1 F-body (mid to low 13 second car) and claim my car is quicker

Why don't you guys keep the stupidity off the street and take it to the strip? Are you so worried about finding out what your car is really capable of?

BTW, the 03/04 G35s redline at 6600rpms, about 6800rpm indicated on the tach. Additionally, Cobb Tuning has recently proven that the Stillen CAI, pop chargers, and other aftermarket G35/Z intakes, including their own prototype, hurt power by 3 to 8whp. All the intakes negatively impacted the A/F ratios and make them bounce all over the place, especially above 4500rpms. The catback (assuming it's true dual) is good for about 4 to 8whp.
I wouldn't say worthless because most of us have never been to the track... I'd be intimidated having my TL line up against an M5 or a GTO.. its fun modding my car and lining up against a 350z that thinks he owns the street, then showing him who's boss.. sometimes a harmless 0-60 from a dig or going 120 on an empty freeway is pretty exciting..
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The 04 Gs were dogs... The newer ones tach to 7500RPMS and probably hit 60 in about 5 seconds. One of the problems with the G is there should be a bit more torque, they have fewer gears than some cars, and they are a bit heavier.
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that tl cleaned house
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Originally Posted by mickey3c
The 04 Gs were dogs... The newer ones tach to 7500RPMS and probably hit 60 in about 5 seconds. One of the problems with the G is there should be a bit more torque, they have fewer gears than some cars, and they are a bit heavier.
I think they are still pretty fast cars, enough to smoke most cars on the road. The old er G's actually have plenty of torque for their given hp, the newer one with higher redline has "relatively" less torque. Most likely they will bring the 7-speed gearbox over soon.
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I think they are still pretty fast cars, enough to smoke most cars on the road. The old er G's actually have plenty of torque for their given hp, the newer one with higher redline has "relatively" less torque. Most likely they will bring the 7-speed gearbox over soon.
What I've heard is that 03-04 Gs have more torgue than 05-07 manual, and little less HP, making them alomost equal in performance, I've seen a lightly modded 03 G stick, pull on an 07 300 hp sedan in equal drivers condition.
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The manual has less torque than the auto as well...So the auto has less HP and more torque whereas the MT has more HP and less torque.
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^ is that for the 1st gen?
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Talking about G35 sedans only:

1) 03/04 G35 sedan was rated at 260hp/260tq with a redline of 6600rpms, but really was just the same 280hp/270tq motor used in the G coupe of the same years. On the dyno, the 260hp G sedan makes about 3whp less than the 70lbs heavier 280hp G coupe. Typical auto/6MT performance is in the 14.1 to 14.5 @95-99mph range.

2) 05/06 G35 sedan auto was re-rated to 280hp/270tq. The only change was to a exhaust midpipe which used a much smaller resonator. The resonator gave the sedan a healthier sound, but no additional power. The extra 20hp/10tq was strictly a way to make G sedan owners feel like they were getting something new with motor. Typical auto/6MT performance is in the 14.1 to 14.5 @95-99mph range.

3) 05/06 G35 sedan 6MT came with a revised VQ35 known as the Rev-up motor. It added variable exhaust cam timing along with a higher flow intake manifold. These two additions to the motor gave it a rating of 298hp/260tq and the motor was able to rev to 7,100rpms. The Rev-ups were much softer in the lower rpms, but were stronger above 5500rpms. On the drag strip, there's really no measurable difference in ET, though the Rev-up does tend to trap about 1mph higher. The increase in power was mostly to sell cars because the reality was the car wasn't any quicker than the one it replaced.

4) 07/08 G35 (Generation 2) is rated at 306hp/270tq (new SAE ratings). These cars have the new VQ35HR or VQ35 "High Revolution" which makes strong power above 5000rpms and revs out to 7500rpms. Unfortunately with the 6MT, revving the motor this high will vibrate your hand into a mash potato. These cars weigh about 180lbs more than the gen they replaced and make about 35whp/5wtq more with a much broader powerband. Overall, these cars tend to be about .4 and 3mph faster than the 1st gen cars. Typical auto/6MT performance is in the 13.6 to 14.1 @99-102mph range.
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Great info.

I drove the G37 in GT5, the engine feels very linear.
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Great info.

I drove the G37 in GT5, the engine feels very linear.
I want to play GT5 so bad! I don't have PS3 yet....
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lol! get it! you won't regret!! PS3 + GT5 + G25 = best driving simulator ...well..may be you'd also want a good setup to go along with those...anyways, buy it highly recommended.


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