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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 01:28 PM
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I mentioned on another thread that there are a ton of settings. Methodically going through to set all mine up. Wish there was a way to duplicate settings from D1 to D2, so you don't have to go through it all again and just change a few.

Anyway, I see there is a setting in Audio to change the HDD record quality. (By the way this menu setting only appears if you have CD Source selected. Does not even appear in a grayed out state if another source is playing.) The options are "standard" or "high".

I checked in the manual and it does not elaborate on the difference in the Quality settings. In fact, as far as I can tell, it is silent on the issue.

Has anyone researched the difference. I don't want to record a bunch of CDs and then find out I need to change and delete. The factory setting is Standard and I changed to High. Recorded 1 CD after that. Seemed to take about 5 minutes although I was not timing it.

What other special settings are others finding?
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 02:15 PM
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Another question

Gracenote - It has instructions for updating the Gracenote DB, but I'm under the impression form the manual that some version of the DB is already included on the HDD.

Is this DB only providing artist/song info for a CD? I got the impression that it may also contain album cover art, but I cannot see it displayed when playing for the HDD nor do I see a setting. Would be awesome if it could display that.

The gracenote site says it can deliver cover art in their auto product

http://www.gracenote.com/auto/recognition/

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 03:08 PM
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I do not believe there is a way to delete fromt the HD once you copy something to it - a mistake on Acuras part. Some of my CD-Rs did not have metadata encoded so nothing appears on the HD - band name comes up as Other. I have recorded everything @ HDD just because I like to have the highest quality possible.

On a secondary note to you about settings - if you have your wipers on rain sensing AND you uses auto car washes, be sure and turn that setting off or your wipers will start as the car goes through the car wash and you may damage your blades/arms if they get caught up with the whipping strips.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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Ha - you need to RTFM as you can delete stuff recorded to the HD
You can delete individual tracks or wipe the whole drive - see page 229 edit: actually page 235

thanks for the tip on the wipers, but I never go to car washes

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 04:22 PM
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You fancy-pants guys ... I just have a potload of high-quality MP3's burned to a CD and I keep it in the drive with the audio set to random. Hours of music, and on the RLX's sound system it sounds rockin'.

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 04:35 PM
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Don't need much fidelity on those CW songs


I looked at the HDD info and it is 16GB. Going to watch how fast it fills up on the High Quality setting and estimate how many songs it will hold.
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:05 PM
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I found the answer - a little disappointing that the "high" quality isn't more high quality

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs...2014-acura-rlx

By the way, is it really a Hard Drive? Would think these days and in an auto application that it would be a solid state drive and with much higher capacity than 16GB
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:19 PM
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Don't need much fidelity on those CW songs
HEY!! Watch it!! Don't you be making fun of good ol' CW music!!

Just kidding....but serious, I love a good ol' twang!
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:20 PM
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What's that saying "I like all kinds of music, Country and Western"

I do like Taylor Swift and I think I actually own a Lady Antebellum (sp?) CD

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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At least the HDD is better than XM. I do not know for sure, but remember reading that XM is 64kbps
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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^^ I am more twangy....I like the oldies...George Jones, Merle Haggard, Waylon Jennings etc. The new stuff is hard on my ears but great on my eyes
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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 09:17 PM
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^^ I am more twangy....I like the oldies...George Jones, Merle Haggard, Waylon Jennings etc. The new stuff is hard on my ears but great on my eyes
I have new-found respect and admiration for Weather.

But I'm confused ... are some people saying there is some kind of music BESIDES C&W? I mean, REAL music?

Gimme some Willie Nelson, Dolly Partin, Waylon Jennings, George Jones, Merle Haggard, Jim Reeves, et al, any day over that stuff they call heavy metal.

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Old Apr 3, 2014 | 09:27 PM
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Here's you some fidelity -


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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 11:10 AM
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What formats does the stereo play? Cannot find a reference anywhere in the manual

I'm assuming no more DVD-A
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 11:52 AM
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personally I find the HD completely useless. it's 2014 and I can't even remember the last time I owned a CD...let alone want to rip one to an HD.

A better use of the HD would have been as a buffer / recording space for streaming XM/Sirius to, so that you can have a "DVR" type capability to rewind and playback XM/Sirius material. The BMW 7-series has this and is reeeallly nice.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by holografique
personally I find the HD completely useless. it's 2014 and I can't even remember the last time I owned a CD...let alone want to rip one to an HD.

A better use of the HD would have been as a buffer / recording space for streaming XM/Sirius to, so that you can have a "DVR" type capability to rewind and playback XM/Sirius material. The BMW 7-series has this and is reeeallly nice.
kind of agree with you except CDs are still the best quality. As I posted earlier, XM is low quality.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by getakey
What formats does the stereo play? Cannot find a reference anywhere in the manual

I'm assuming no more DVD-A
No more DVD-A
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by miner
No more DVD-A
Are 5.1 DTS CDs supported? or any 5.1 CD?
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 02:59 PM
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Yes. I tried a DTS 5.1 CD in the Advance model and it worked.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 2011TL
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Yes. I tried a DTS 5.1 CD in the Advance model and it worked.
cool - thanks

Trying to figure out this gracenote DB. I have recorded 2 CDs. One populated the song titles, the other did not. And the one that did record the song titles I think had the metadata on the CD because I remember it showing up in my old RL when playing the CD. When I recorded the CDs, a message came up indicating that the album data was recognized - I'm assuming this is for the gracenote DB.
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by getakey
cool - thanks

Trying to figure out this gracenote DB. I have recorded 2 CDs. One populated the song titles, the other did not. And the one that did record the song titles I think had the metadata on the CD because I remember it showing up in my old RL when playing the CD. When I recorded the CDs, a message came up indicating that the album data was recognized - I'm assuming this is for the gracenote DB.
All CD-Rs I have tried did not copy data to the HDD but I knew they did not have any metadata applied. The CD title will show as Other when no metadata has been applied,
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 03:40 PM
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the gracenote DB is supposed to pull up the metadata even if not on CD.
I just recorded another cd and it came up with message something like "Title data acquired" and showed the gracenote logo.
the data was then stored to the HDD. I'm going to try deleting and rerecording the one that did not capture data.

some early metrics: 3 albums recorded at High quality and 189MB used, so average around 60MB per album
So can store about 250 albums on HDD

Will get better metrics as more CDs recorded
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by getakey
kind of agree with you except CDs are still the best quality. As I posted earlier, XM is low quality.
oh most definitely, but I don't use XM/Sirius to listen to music, I use it for talk shows / comedy (Opie & Anthony, Raw Dog Comedy, etc). So the sound quality isn't really important. What I want is the ability to rewind and listen to a segment, interview, etc. etc. that I missed because I had to step out of the car, or had to jump on a call, etc. etc. That's where "DVR" functionality to the HD like the 7-series becomes really nice and something that honestly I would have expected out of a company that prides itself on it's "technology", not to mention on a car priced $60k higher MSRP....
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by holografique
oh most definitely, but I don't use XM/Sirius to listen to music, I use it for talk shows / comedy (Opie & Anthony, Raw Dog Comedy, etc). So the sound quality isn't really important. What I want is the ability to rewind and listen to a segment, interview, etc. etc. that I missed because I had to step out of the car, or had to jump on a call, etc. etc. That's where "DVR" functionality to the HD like the 7-series becomes really nice and something that honestly I would have expected out of a company that prides itself on it's "technology", not to mention on a car priced $60k higher MSRP....
ok, got it

so from what I can tell with quick research this is the quality of different sources. Not 100% sure of the numbers

regular fm - 25kbps
XM - 64kbps
hidef fm - usually from 100kbps up to 150kbps (has capability fro 300, but hardly anyone if at all broadcasting that)
Acura HDD - Standard - 128kbps
Acura HDD High - 192kbps
iTunes - 256kbps
CD - 1411kbps (lossless)

I know MP3 files have different compression options. What are the different bit rates?

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found this
The MP3 audio format lossy data compression. Audio quality improves with increasing bitrate:
32 kbit/s – generally acceptable only for speech
96 kbit/s – generally used for speech or low-quality streaming
128 or 160 kbit/s – mid-range bitrate quality
192 kbit/s – a commonly used high-quality bitrate
320 kbit/s – highest level supported by MP3 standard


Now I'm wondering if XM is really only 64kbps - can anyone verify?

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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 04:28 PM
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Actually, I read XM/Sirius was 32kbps, not 64... it's either one or the other -- its JUNK.

It's why I killed my subscription, there is no need for it with a cell phone hookup. I can pull in radio stations in wayyyy better quality via my phone than XM/Sirius...

Here ya go, from a forum

"The average music channel averages 30-50 Kbps, some as high as 60 Kbps. The allowed averages per channel vary, and are assigned by Sirius's NOC personnel under the guidance of the program directors and types of genres. For instance, Classical music genre's get higher priority over 40's on 4. Talk averages around 25 Kbps, and traffic channels average around 12 Kbps."
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CFoote
Actually, I read XM/Sirius was 32kbps, not 64... it's either one or the other -- its JUNK.

It's why I killed my subscription, there is no need for it with a cell phone hookup. I can pull in radio stations in wayyyy better quality via my phone than XM/Sirius...

Here ya go, from a forum

"The average music channel averages 30-50 Kbps, some as high as 60 Kbps. The allowed averages per channel vary, and are assigned by Sirius's NOC personnel under the guidance of the program directors and types of genres. For instance, Classical music genre's get higher priority over 40's on 4. Talk averages around 25 Kbps, and traffic channels average around 12 Kbps."
I saw somewhere that XM on average was higher than Sirius, but not sure what happened after the merge
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 04:32 PM
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They still have to keep seperate streams going, as each receiver can only receive an XM or Sirius stream (i.e. they didn't transmit on the same bands)....XM/Sirius usually gives a 'free' weekend of listening around Thanksgiving and last November it still sounded the same to me as it always had...
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by getakey
the gracenote DB is supposed to pull up the metadata even if not on CD.
I just recorded another cd and it came up with message something like "Title data acquired" and showed the gracenote logo.
the data was then stored to the HDD. I'm going to try deleting and rerecording the one that did not capture data.

some early metrics: 3 albums recorded at High quality and 189MB used, so average around 60MB per album
So can store about 250 albums on HDD

Will get better metrics as more CDs recorded
Interesting - now if no metadata is on CD how would GN know what data to load? i.e CD title and songs?
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Old Apr 4, 2014 | 05:42 PM
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Interesting - now if no metadata is on CD how would GN know what data to load? i.e CD title and songs?
not sure how it works, may do some research later, but here's their site. They call it "recognition"

http://www.gracenote.com/auto/recognition/

found this quick - it is audio recognition technology

"For every ripped album, Apple’s iTunes software would contact Gracenote’s database, which would run the music through its audio recognition system and send back track and artist names and cover art."
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http://www.xconomy.com/san-francisco...t-recognition/

probably similar technology to SoundHound or Soundhound may even license it.

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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 09:10 AM
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I mentioned on another thread that there are a ton of settings. Methodically going through to set all mine up. Wish there was a way to duplicate settings from D1 to D2, so you don't have to go through it all again and just change a few.
Can't you?

Even if you're in possession of D1 at the time, after you push the button to remember Setting 1, just wait a moment and push the button to remember it as Setting 2 and the next time you have D2's key it'll use those settings.

You can then change the settings for D2 that you want to be different from D1.
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike_TX
You fancy-pants guys ... I just have a potload of high-quality MP3's burned to a CD and I keep it in the drive with the audio set to random. Hours of music, and on the RLX's sound system it sounds rockin'.
That's what I do sometimes with my iPhone.
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by getakey
not sure how it works, may do some research later, but here's their site. They call it "recognition"

http://www.gracenote.com/auto/recognition/

found this quick - it is audio recognition technology

"For every ripped album, Apple’s iTunes software would contact Gracenote’s database, which would run the music through its audio recognition system and send back track and artist names and cover art."
from
http://www.xconomy.com/san-francisco...t-recognition/

probably similar technology to SoundHound or Soundhound may even license it.
I was able to rename one CD-R that was loaded into the HDD, but, was only able to rename the album and not the artist. The artist still displays No Name. Plus, GN did not recognize the album name. I guess the edit is only for the information that shows up on the MID screen. Today I will try to update my GN data base. Thanks for your help getakey.
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 09:15 AM
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Actually, I read XM/Sirius was 32kbps, not 64... it's either one or the other -- its JUNK.
You don't find that the Krell system does a good job with satellite? To me it seems to be somehow decompressing it, although I have to admit that I'm an uneducated heathen when it comes to fine audio.
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 09:21 AM
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But I'm confused ... are some people saying there is some kind of music BESIDES C&W? I mean, REAL music?
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 12:07 PM
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Can't you?

Even if you're in possession of D1 at the time, after you push the button to remember Setting 1, just wait a moment and push the button to remember it as Setting 2 and the next time you have D2's key it'll use those settings.

You can then change the settings for D2 that you want to be different from D1.
Guess I will try that, but In my 2005RL, pushing D1/D2 only changed the seat, mirror, steering wheel, radio presets, and AC settings

The other settings like all doors unlock, light dim timeout, etc, did not change. At least that's what I recall
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 03:50 PM
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No fair, George - that's foreign church music!

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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 05:51 PM
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^^ LMAO......I agree with you Mike. George no offense but that can't come close to a good ol' tear jerker about cheatin' hurtin' or leavin' (lol)

Sorry, didn't mean to get the thread on a music conversation
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 06:36 PM
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Do you guys (& gals) ever convert your favorite mp3 or flac to CDA and then store on the disc drive or do you just store the 'store bought" CD's?
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Old Apr 5, 2014 | 06:39 PM
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^^ I do neither. I have all my files on a USB stick and play my songs that way.
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I pretty much do that as well...I was just wondering if a 320 bit rate mp3 converted to CDA would sound any better than a 320 bit rate mp3 on a USB stick... I know 320 is 320, but some systems may sound better if the source is Cd over MP3
My home system (Denon) has a restorer feature that really makes a mp3 sound better..wonder if the RLX does the same thing
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