I did my friend, and the premium was only slightly different but I don't mind the current deductible. For the $110 extra cost per year to have a lower deductible, I would have to see a claim every 3 years to break even on the supplemental increase in premium cost. Seems like an applied risk to keep the current deductible. Actually I also looked into raising my deductible and the premium savings was $65 per year, so that does not make sense either. It was a good thought you had, but it just does not apply to my case very well. I appreciate the tip.

 

I am a little unclear what is going on here, or why it is okay to talk to people like this.

 

I will go out of the way to buy the exact same compound that American Honda wanted to have on the car.

With my 4G TL 6-6, I went as far as getting a dealer to order the exact same compound, even though it was a little more expensive. (They gave a big discount but it was still more than I needed to pay.)

They spend a lot of time on deciding what's the best compromise with traction front/back, handling left/right, and rolling resistance, and I've generally believed that I've been best served by just doing what they want the consumer to experience.

I know that OEM Honda tyres are a compromise...but there's a reason we're given that compromise and I don't have the time for over analysis.

With a stock 2014 KC2, the suspension is stiff enough you could probably go with a softer compound that handles a little better.

But we've already established that the 2016 KC2 has a softer suspension, so would you still be getting an increase in performance going with softer, better handling tyres with that car?

I don't know.

And I don't have the time to research it. :-)

If you've ever seen a basically stock new car in a close haul heel because the owner's opted for better handling tyres without improving the suspension, you get a little paranoid.

And if you've ever seen a government car flip because the performance tyres are so soft that a wheel lip will bite the pavement, you attain another level of paranoia.

Certainly when I was younger, I went through all the phases everybody else has gone through.

I understand.

But...it's 2016...and I'm old.

The car performs well with just exactly the combination they've given us, so I'll just keep at that.

 

As soon as I realized that Rockstar143 was part of the native crew over in the 3G Ramblings, that was it for me responding to any comment or post from him or the rest of their little group. It is the internet so they look for anything they can to stir the pot for some childish reasons.

 

Thank you for the detailed answer George, i really appreciate it! After everything you pointed out, i will be sticking with the stock OEM tires for the time being!

 

Even on my track car built to H1 and used in Group 3, 4 and 5, I would still go with the RA-1 just because they lasted a long time and did not require changing for weather.

:-)

 

Here's a picture of a close hauled schooner in a heel, so you get the idea of what you want to avoid.

:-)

 

We are extremely lucky to have someone with your knowledge on the board George!

 

Ah yes! I hope i never drive the car that hard on the street, that i need to worry about that!

 

I understand and appreciate your perspective greatly. I will never drive my car at the limit, mostly for self preservation reasons, also because the speed one would need to carry to get to that limit would be a felony very likely, it seems like a responsible choice to lean towards comfort and a softer sidewall for a better overall driving experience that potentially does not make a material change to the balance and safety the engineers intended. With my drive last night and this morning in some light snow, the tires are a significant improvement to the OEM rubber in everyday activities. I would not characterize it as a night and day difference, but it is very noticeable and appreciated. It is very different on rough concrete or old worn concrete that displays the biggest difference. Also the mist that is ejected from the tires at highway speed tells me that it is evacuating more water and lifting it off the road more than the old ones. Now it could just be that they are new and the tread is deeper, but that is a characteristic that is easily seen on wet roads.

 

People make their choices for their reasons.

I did not mean to appear to say you'd made an invalid choice.

My friend asked why I did what I did, so I rambled on.

:-)

 

Not at all. I think it is great that we can share our individual knowledge and experiences with each other so we can learn. Maybe something we say on this forum could be helpful to others. Your experiences are invaluable as far as I'm concerned. Pgeorge is our resident research specialist and is always on par with great technical data, diagrams, instructions, and overall assistance. I think we all bring perspective and a little ageless wisdom to the board in hopes of helping each other figure out issues we may be having, celebrate our enjoyment of the car with each other, and engage a little friendly banter from time to time. I did not take your comment for anything else other than additional perspective which is valuable. We are good my friend. No worries.

 

don't forget factoring cost in. This is quite a big factor too, seeing how manufacturers try to cut down on a lot of things in today's cars. You probably have the best tire at a given price point they chose but nothing more.

 

For a $65000 limited production car like the RLX, I suspect that handling, ride quality and fuel economy took precedence over cost when it comes to tire choice. They'd gladly pay an extra $50 per tire to get 0.5 mpg improvement or 1 decibel improvement in interior noise to try to one up the competition.

With a lower price, high volume model like the Civic for example, cost is paramount since they will be buying many hundreds of thousands of units of that particular tire.

 

One would think, but as we know from 2nd gen. RL, OEM tires weren't exactly great. You could easily improve noise levels and handling by buying better tires.

 

But these tires seem quieter and a much improved smooth ride. It is almost supple by comparison to the OEM. Handling seems just about the same, maybe slightly less sharp on turn in, but only slightly. If they came as the OEM rubber I think much of the brittle descriptors many have talked about (myself included) might have never happened. Don't get me wrong the car does not feel like a land yacht, but it is markedly smoother. This afternoon I took a set of turns very briskly where I was fairly close to the limit of adhesion, and the tires felt predictable and stable without any rolling over feeling. I'm quite impressed.

 

I have the same Continentals on my 2014 RLX PAWS and have similar experiences to you as noted on this thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/tires-w...-tires-932495/

 

You're unclear as to why someone would ask a person who comes up with tales of grandeur regarding trees being hit by lighting and exploding, bats attacking the inside of said car, or tales of tires being slashed without, every, posting a single shred of proof? George, I took you as being a wise man who knows better than to believe everything being said by someone who goes to extreme lengths to hide himself on the internet.

I hate to break it to Mr. RLX, but even half of the RLX members think his stories are full of shit, but they're too nice to say anything. Forgive me for calling out bullshit when I read it, but there have been more than enough members on AZ that talked big, only to be revealed as complete liars and attention whores.

So again, when given the option to redeem himself, he won't provide a shred of evidence. I didn't come in here being a dick to him, but forgive me if I don't gobble down every ounce of trees being hit by lighting and exploding next to him, or bats, or whatever else he's come up with. In less than 2 years, he's apparently had more outrageous bad luck experiences than anyone one else on AZ, and besides his personal stories, there's nothing else behind the claims.

He himself stated that his wife came across this very same story on Facebook, yet for the life of me, I cannot find anything. There are no hidden corners on Facebook, unless someone specifically went out of their way to make that story private, which makes even less sense, since it is geared towards the community that was attacked in the first place.

To me, it seems he craves the adoration and admiration of his fellow peers and nothing more. So again, I ask him to redeem yourself. I don't doubt he purchased new tires, but for everyone's sake who stumbles upon this thread, please, let him enlighten us.

 

A few point I would make:

My statement that cost was likely NOT a huge factor in choosing the Michelin's was partly based on the local cost of the OEM Michelin tire - they're not an inexpensive tire. It is not like Acura bolted on some Kumho's or something. There also isn't a lot of money to be saved by installing a set of OEM tires that is a few bucks(yen) cheaper than a superior tire when the volume of the model is so small.

Corporate Fuel economy averages have become a big deal and thus the mileage effects and rolling resistance may have been the deciding factor in Acura choosing the Grand Touring Michelin's over the high performance Conti's.

Remember also that this decision was made in 2012 or so when the first edition of the Conti's were available and being knocked for having poor wet handling and poor snow performance when 1/2 worn (or so I recall when I looked into them for my RL).

New tires usually feel much better than year-old tires with 20000 miles (or whatever you mileage may be). The only true comparison would be to drive a year-old set of Michelins and a year-old set of Conti's immediately after on the same roads, then test them in wet conditions, then test the fuel mileage achieved by both over a 10000 mile test, then do interior sound level test on both etc. to come to a decision as I assume Acura did.

It is entirely possible that the target market for the RLX (primarily old farts like me) associate the Michelin brand with quality and have no experience or knowledge of the Continental brand and that helped Acura make their choice.

All of that said, it is entirely possible that Acura/Honda have a contract with a couple of tire manufacturers to use only their products and thus they never even considered the Conti's for OEM tires on the RLX.

I'm sure the Conti's are a really nice tire, but I still doubt that their cost would have been the reason they were not chosen as OEM on the RLX and that is the only point that I was making earlier.

 

Quite interesting banter coming from a foul mouth kid. I will say that it has been a very interesting 15 months I have had with the various wacky things that have happened, but unfortunately they are all true. I have met some very nice people on the RLX forum (some in person), yourself excluded, and we adults understand that stuff happens sometimes that is out of our control, no matter how crazy these things are. If you needed photos of the bat carcasses to prove that happened (don’t know if any were killed but I assume some did), or video of the old lady who backed into me (I did post pictures of the very minor damage of my bumper), or the in-car video of the near miss I had with a truck that spilled some kind of oily liquid on the road which caused many to spin out unexpectedly (wish I had that, but now I do have an in-car camera for future things that I hope never happen), or the MRI and CT scans of my neck that showed my neck surgery that was the result of an unexpected accident that could have been devastating to my family, then you can go pound sand. The Facebook communications were and still are happening on a private thread that you do not have access to, thus why you can’t see it by searching on traditional search engines. Some might say that by responding to you at all is diminishing me to do so, but it seems that every time you stray from Ramblings and enter the RLX forum, you have nothing productive or positive to offer. Car accidents happen as you know no matter how careful you are. Some people like a friend of mine has never had anything notable happen to him that I can recall and we have been friends for 30+ years. However, a lifelong friend of my wife has been plagued with crazy events (house burned down, then a flood destroyed the rebuilt home again, then they moved because they felt like they were marked for bad luck and the new home they built burned down right before they moved in, then she was diagnosed with cancer, her husband found out he had early Parkinsons, and their oldest daughter died in a car accident) and that is just what can happen in life (you would want proof of those things I am sure because you probably don’t believe that these things can happen as you are too young and naive to understand). Providing “proof” of various events to a person who has a dead end job who professes to just wasting their day in a public sector position, curses as if he is still in high school but isn’t, and then gets some strange high off of insulting or questioning others for the heck of it, just shows what your character is made of. Again for some reason you have a beef with me and I don’t with you. I feel sorry for you, not that you care. Hopefully you will just go away and remain in the internet heaven you call Ramblings, but I’m sure you won’t. You most certainly don’t use your true identity either on this site as that shows you have some basic level of intelligence. But apparently your identity is not as private as you think. Be careful, most people who can afford an RLX have acquired things, funds and relationships with people in the intelligence community that you have not and may never have. These things can be used for many purposes including reminding nefarious personalities that they are not out of reach regardless of where a person’s IP address makes them appear to be.

 

What you're saying can be true but you can't rule out cost out of the equation. Unfortunately, we don't have the RLX in Europe but from reading this forum and looking at pictures it's clearly they save money on certain even low cost things.

Some examples I've noticed compared to 2nd gen:
Non-adjustable head rests? Cost saving "feature". Probably wouldn't cost them more than 50$ extra to make it adjustable

Am I right in noticing that very bottom of the door has received material quality degradation since 2nd gen to some kind of plastic from leather?

Not only that but are the pockets in the doors lined with felt or not? I can't clearly see in videos - if they're aren't that would be another couple of bucks saved.

 

Did I say something rude?
I'm a little unclear why it's unclear to you that's not okay for another member to dictate when a thread is done, or who is allowed to post in it.
Or is this a bird's of a feather scenario?

 

but it's acceptable to be condescending and make assumptions about someone's age and intellect? I'll keep it classy, but you're pushing it, chief. And judging from your posts, I wouldn't be touting how smart or mature you are because that's not coming across. I can help you with conveying your message effectively, but you have to be open to it.

 

Jeez. Enough with his crap.

 

If anyone on this forum is having an issue with another member, I implore them to put that member on their ignore list. To do this, click on the username of said member, choose "view public profile", find "user lists", and choose "add to ignore list". There is no need for one or two members to affect your experience on this board.