I hope this is not an inappropriate thread for this site, but I looked back and found a comparison to the Hyundai Equus.

I have written of my test drive of the RLX vs the sports hybrid, but I realize my drives were 10 minutes each, and never on a highway. There was no place that I really was able to explore the full capacity of the sports hybrid driver's experience. Around Miami, where I drove it, the power of the hybrid did not impress me all that much more than the regular RLX, (to summarize).

So I did drive a low mileage Diesel A6:

1. The engine is a dream. Torque was more obvious to me in the Diesel than it was in the Sports Hybrid. I suspect that the ratings of the german cars are very conservative. I still like to drive the mountain roads of W. Virginia back to Cleveland, and will pass at greater than 80 mph. My current V6 is breathing hard to pass. I am looking for certainty that there is the additional torque of the front electric motor in the Hybrid still on board above 80 mph. I am certain the rear motors are passive above 80 mph.

2. The Audi interior room was adequate, but the interior was breathtakingly beautiful. The RLX interiors were very nice, and certainly roomier.

3. The Audi has an 14 square foot trunk, the Sports Hybrid a 12 foot trunk. SHOCKINGLY SIMILAR despite the lack of a battery in the Audi. I find both trunks too small for my liking. The audi lacks a rear outlet, as well, by the way.

4. Another shocker: I liked the ride of the Sports Hybrid more than that of the Audi. The Audi has the sports suspension with 19 inch wheels. The comfort setting was too soft for me, and the firmer setting a little too hard. The Sports Hybrid, I admit, felt just right.

5. Diesel vs premium fuel comparisons vary by state. In my area they are comparable in price. Audi will get 24 city, 38 highway. I suspect those numbers are real. Sports hybrid claims 28 city, and 32 highway, unless it is in Cleveland, in which case it is much less. (all my family is still in Cleveland, but I admit I am just trying to be funny) Still bothers me that Neuron Bob's car is the only example on Fuelly. i know the fuel efficiency reports on Acurazine are much better. Also, that many people enjoy driving their Sports hybrid aggressively.

6. The Audi I am looking at is certified, 100K mile warranty (nearly). Acura less likely to break down.

7. Sports hybrid is really a two year old model. I want an Advance, and the cheapest I can get one sent to me has been for just under $62K, for a new one. I don't like the colors of the Certified used ones on the market. The audi has the depreciation already in the price at $52K. I can't get over my bias that the Sports Hybrid is already an older car, and will take a huge depreciation the moment I buy it.

I had sworn never to buy German again, but the beauty of this car, along with my own personal bias for diesel, has me reconsidering. I am buying a car to have for long highway rides because I like driving vacations, though it would still be a daily driver. I think the Hybrid is better for the in town driving, but the Diesel a more natural highway cruiser.

If I could get an Advance for $55K pre fees, (new or certified) I would go with the Acura, but I did sample a subaru "eyesight" adaptive cruise, and then read the various descriptions of the pleasures of driving with Adaptive cruise control and LKAS on this board, and I am on board for wanting the Advance. I just don't think they have depreciated to MY estimate of the value to me. One good thing, I have decided I would be just fine with the Bellanova White, and Seacoast? interior. I've already beaten the "fake wood" thing to death, but it really is the reason I won't pay for the 60K for the car.

I honestly believe this Diesel will not strand me, but there is no adaptive cruise on the Audi, and no way to add it aftermarket. That is a downer to me. I also am paying for a sports suspension that i really don't want.

So I am using the forum to think out loud. I really wonder if a proper test drive of the sports hybrid would have impressed me more. And I wonder if I could really be happy with a small trunk (either car).

By the way, the Subaru Legacy I drove was REALLY a value. The ride was fantastic, the turning radius amazingly better than either above car. The car has torque vectoring as do the above two. The reliability should be Acura-like. The Adaptive cruise (using cameras and not radar) worked superbly, though there is no LKAS equivalent. The Harmon Kardon stereo has great "Numbers", but the "test drive" proved its inferiority to the the Audi and Acura stereo's. The inside is blocky and functional, but the trunk is 15 feet, and it really is getting tougher to buy a bigger trunk without going front wheel drive. It is really just a great car, but cannot match the beauty and luxury of the other 2, not remotely. The exterior I judge as equal in looks to the RLX, and both are vehicles that look better in person. Why did I drive a Subaru? Consumer Reports just about raved about the car. Gas mileage much better than expected for all wheel drive, but rating is probably not real for city driving for the 2.5 liter or 3.6 liter.

i note the love, it seems, every sports hybrid owner has for their vehicle, and wonder it that would afflict me with time, surpassing the joy of torque felt in the Audi immediately. And I wonder if the 2016 Sports Hybrid's come out (with the yen so much weaker now) if the prices will remain the same and the 2014's will drop in price. A risk if the Advances sell out, I admit.

 

Thanks for the great comparasion. I am very interested in your thoughts since I was going to cross shop the Audi A7 and the Sports Hybrid. I had studied the Audi reviews extensively and was about to test drive one (was going to compare the TDI with the gas version) when I happened into the Acura dealer for service on my old RL and saw the Sport Hybrid in the showroom. It had been there only a few days. I was the first (and as it turned out only) one to test drive the Sport Hybrid. The test drive sold me on the spot and I never looked back or test drove the Audi.

After I got my car the wife adajated for her new car. She test drove a Lexus, the new ILX and the Audi A3. The smiles on her face during the A3 test drive led her to buying the Audi. They make a fine car. I will be interested in seeing how I assess the Audi and Acura brands after driving the two new cars we have for a few years. Initially, they both seem very well put together and are both fun drives. Both the wife and I put a bigger premium on the drive characteristics of a car than appearance, brand image or other elements.

I will be interested in following where you end up in your decisions and the reasons that make the difference in your selection.

 

Great comparison and thank you for posting it.

There is no lack of passing power from the J35 above 80 mph in my experience.

Thanks for reminding me to update my Fuelly. Current tank is 26.9 mpg. Coming up gradually as the weather warms. I'm getting 30-33 mpg in my long commute to downtown Cleveland now, so I expect individual tank mileage to go up.

 

I just noted last night on the other thread that the current tank is at 32 ave mpg and trending higher still. This car seems to be very sensitive to temp and winter gas. Maybe the heat generation in the winter is more dragging on the system than AC? I think the SH is a torque monster so to not feel it immediately make me wonder if the car that was test driven was not operating properly. Something sounds off with that experience (lack of torque) because it is opposite to the rest of us betas in an SH.

 

Is J35 another designation for the Sports Hybrid? It is interesting that some of the reviews have suggested that there is no help from the electric motors at higher speeds.

 

The reviewers are wrong. The front E-motor is engaged all the time and above 78 mph the rear motors do not add to thrust but do provide torque vectoring assist. The supreme high speed stability especially with its uncanny ability to adjust for cross winds is remarkable. I have experienced this first hand on roads with near continuous cross winds, which I have felt in every other car driven, is near zero in the RLX-SH. The torque above 80 mph is excellent, not that any of us should be at those speed for very long because of traffic and the occasional moron who does not know that texting while driving is both illegal and stupid.

Full disclosure, I have earned at least one speeding ticket every week, but have not been caught yet. You know those burly middle age dudes trying to act like they are 17 again...

 

It is my understanding that the third motor in the transmission continues to operate beyond 80mph smoothing shifts and giving a boost of torque during gear changes or sudden acceleration. The rear two motors are still available for torque vectoring but no long add to propulsion because the J35 is in it's sweet spot at that point.

J35 is the ICE (internal combustion engine) motor designation.

Oops, RLX-Sport Hybrid types faster than I do. Sorry for the redundancy.

 

Did somebody call me?

 

Sir, yes sir!

 

Honda J35 engine

We have a J35Y4 that is very slightly different from the one in the PAWS RLX, IIRC.

I'm gobsmacked that the J-series is almost 20 years old and still going. At this rate, it'll be like the Chevy small block V8 soon (i.e. old but solid).

 

Perhaps Audis have gotten better very recently, but I have several good friends and work acquaintances who are one and one with recent Four Ring iterations, precisely for reliability issues that you never even think about on a Japanese brand. (And I know about warranties, etc., but it plain sucks to have your new toy flat-bedded out of your subdivision while you drive a stripper A4 for a few weeks while you wait for the dealer to determine what happened).

 

I just went from an Audi back to Acura. Sorry, not trying it again.

 

They said "middle aged dudes" - Not senior citizens

*JUST TEASING YOU MY FRIEND*

 

Now, I have not heard the term gobsmacked since I left Ohio, maybe when visiting the Circleville Pumpkin festival, once, outside Columbus. Fortunately for you, you are a moderator, so such language will not be punished.

But poor George is taking a beating.

While I did my usual heavy thinking as to what I want, they sold the Audi I had driven. There are others, without the colors I so liked, but nice enough, AND with the active cruise control. That LKAS I experienced in a TLX really impressed me. You think it's all nonsense (that tech) until you experience it. I don't really think Audi has the equivalent of the LKAS, just a fancy warning system that you are drifting.

Sigh, I find Acura's Advance package expensive. I have no Scot in me, but I worry I have the mutation.

"A cynic knows the cost of everything, and the value of nothing."
Oscar Wilde

 

I have owned hybrids, electric, and petrol motors. Never owned/driven a diesel.

Can you guys explain (I know it has massive torque), why are 0-60 so slow in diesels if it has torque?


My "slow hybrids" can do amazing 0-40 and then dies after that.


Are diesels same? Fast at the line acceleration? Or just fast highway passing power?


Appreciate some insight from diesel experts

 

Acura RLX Sport Hybrid
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
ESTIMATED BASE PRICE: $60,000
ENGINE TYPE: SOHC 24-valve 3.5-liter V-6, 310 hp, 273 lb-ft; 2 permanent-magnet AC synchronous electric motors, 72 hp, 108 lb-ft; permanent-magnet AC synchronous electric motor, 47 hp, 109 lb-ft; combined system, 377 hp, 377 lb-ft; 1.3-kWh lithium-ion battery pack
TRANSMISSION: 7-speed dual-clutch automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 112.2 in
Length: 196.1 in
Width: 74.4 in Height: 57.7 in
Curb weight: 4354 lb
PERFORMANCE:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.89 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.02 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.6 sec @ 106 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g
FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 28/32 mpg


Acura RLX PAWS
Specifications
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE AS TESTED: $61,345 (base price: $49,345)
ENGINE TYPE: SOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 212 cu in, 3471 cc
Power: 310 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 272 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 6-speed automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 112.2 in
Length: 196.1 in
Width: 74.4 in Height: 57.7 in
Curb weight: 4004 lb
TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 28.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.1 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 133 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 166 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.84 g
FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 20/31 mpg


Audi A6 TDI
Specifications
VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
PRICE AS TESTED: $67,295 (base price: $58,395)
ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve diesel V-6, iron block and aluminum heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 181 cu in, 2967 cc
Power: 240 hp @ 3500 rpm
Torque: 428 lb-ft @ 1750 rpm
TRANSMISSION: 8-speed automatic with manual shifting mode
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 114.7 in
Length: 193.9 in
Width: 73.8 in Height: 57.8 in
Curb weight: 4220 lb
TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.9 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g
FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 24/38 mpg

 

Wow 5.1 o-60

So what's downside of tdi?!

 

Fuel cost is higher, sometimes there is an enhanced exhaust smell and not exactly as maintenance light as an Acura ICE engine typically is. Quite frankly I think a blend of the RLX Sport Hybrid EV motors and the Audi V6TDI would be a cool mix. But if I am delirious lets just go with the new NSX configuration and park it in the RLX.

 

I'm haven't owned a tdi [only a 1979 Benz S with a turbo diesel which was noisy and smelly] but from the research I have done the diesel fuel is more expensive, partly offset by somewhat better gas mileage. Also, depending on where you live finding a convenient station with diesel can be a pain. Lastly, once again depending on the brand, you usually pay more for a tdi than the gas version of the same model.

One of the big upsides is the engines typically last longer....often good for over 200,000 miles so the resale is often better. Not that this is a big issue for Acura owners whose gas engines seem to also last forever with proper maintenance.

Dan Neil of the Wall Street Journal did a column within the last year on the tdi engine. I think it was regarding one of the Audi models but related to diesels in general. He basically raved about the advantages.

 

Where did the performance data for the Sport Hybrid come from? Was that your data, RLXSH? None of the car rags I know of has done a formal instrumented test on it.

 

My data. The skidpad I noted was in a parking lot and average of going both directions to the traction limit.

 

I'm not sure where sooththetruth is located, but, up here in Western Canada, I have heard of problems with even modern diesels when the temperatures get really cold in winter. If you can use a block heater, the problems are mitigated somewhat, but if you have to leave your diesel outside when it's cold without plugging it in, starting and warm up can be problematic. Nothing worse than not being able to start your car when it's -35 degrees.

Other than that issue, Audi makes a good car and the OP should choose the car he likes the best. Of course, in my opinion, the RLX Sport Hybrid is AMAZING and would be my choice all day long.

 

Isn't there added maintenance costs replacing the diesel emissions fluid fairly frequently? I seem to recall a number in the $300 range for a Mercedes for each fluid replacement, which roughly paralleled the engine oil change schedule.

 

All VW diesels use a product called "adblue" and it does parallel oil changes, but that is about every 10,000 miles. I was quoted an added cost of $15.

 

I think you are right. Doesn't MB, BMW, Audi and VW have the same thing? If so why the Europeans and not the American made diesels?

I did not consider the cold weather limitations of diesels. It seems that gas engines and now hybrids are making diesels less attractive as the mpg stand out. I got 43.1 mpg on a 18 mile trip today! Coming back I got 25.6 because I "had" to have the sport mode on and enjoy a little right peddle. I'm going to call that the "17 effect" moving forward.

 

I just read the 535d review of the bmw. It was glowing

 

Apologies to all, I don't have the patience tonight to learn how to post photos, but I have the urge to put this down while fresh. PART II

I had driven an A6, and loved the engine, found it astonishing, and had found an oolong gray with nougat interior i loved. (see, I need to post photos, but it is the EXACT sample used in Cars.com:

2014AudiA6 Review By Joe Bruzek

So I was thinking about buying that car, but it didn't have adaptive cruise, and I didn't want to finance any of it, and I wasn't sure for other reasons to be revealed so ....it got sold.

So then I see that there is this certified Garnet Red A6 with every option on it, at a price minimally higher than that of the Oolong gray, and there are no pictures. So i look up the color on the internet:

2012 Garnet Red Pearl Effect Audi A6 3.0T quattro Sedan #64289523 Photo #3 | GTCarLot.com - Car Color Galleries

and it interests me. I call the salesman, who tells me nothing to dissuade me about going to see it. So, I drive 500 miles one way this weekend to see it.

It's much more beautiful in person. I was convinced that I was doomed (in a good way), to buy this car.

But as I am driving the beautiful mountain road I-40 through South and North Carolina on the way to this place, I am thinking about the shock the Sports Hybrid owners had expressed that the diesel Audi had seemed to have so much MORE immediate torque on hand that the Sports Hybrid, and I had time to think on the way up that I really wished that I could compare them side by side, and have that immediacy for a fairer evaluation.

This is where if I were Neuron Bob, I would be posting the photos of the mountains taken through my windshield ( a la Neuron Bob) this morning.

Well, I drive to the Audi dealership, and AS PART OF THE SAME COMPLEX they have an Acura dealership, so while waiting for the salesman to pull the Audi around I use their wifi to look up if there are any Hybrids on the lot, but there are none....listed.

The Garnet Red A6 then pulls around, and I could not have been more floored than when seeing Raquel Welch for the first time when I was 16 (note, that was 40 years ago, and Raquel, well, she still has more game than I will ever have, but back then her "game" was epic). So I immediately forget all that, and go to ogle the car, and the salesman just tosses me the keys, and we go for a ride, and the engine is still fantastic....but then that feeling happened, the one I felt with the first A6, that the ride was not what it should be. THE REASON I WANTED A NEW CAR PRIMARILY IS: I am still jonesin' for the ride I had with the Phaeton. That ill-fated Phaeton, the one I had spent even to have a special license plate: PHAN TC, that car that was broken all the time. But the ride was never broken. It was unparalleled, and that was a 2004 vehicle, and there had been 10 year for some other car to catch up.

So, I tell the (mildly)shocked salesman that I am running over to the Acura dealership (they had the same owner) because I have to see if there is even a PAWS RLX to drive, as on the smooth streets of Miami, I thought the PAWS and Hybrid had indistinguishable rides. The Acura folks were great, there was no hybrid, they told me, but they were happy to take me for a ride in a Tech PAWS, and so we went. And on the winter damaged roads I was driving, the ride was worse than the Audi's BY FAR. I am crushed, and tell the salesman that took me on the ride, the one that substituted for the first one that had an old customer come in, that I had really hoped to drive the SH AWD, because I had heard the ride problems were not seen with that vehicle, and the second salesman says THAT THEY HAVE ONE, it's just being driven by the service manager and used as a loaner, and that it would be no problem to drive it.

Now, I have to tell you all, I had put $1000 down on that A6 for them not to sell it until I had time to go up there and see it, but driving up to on this adventure I am thinking of the great people on this board that keep bringing me back, and my own desire to love the hybrid, and you know I was driving that car in 10 minutes, but all the while I am thinking, "I bet I am going to buy this car, today".

So here's the rub. The Hybrid just doesn't ride as nicely as the Audi A6. What's more, this time they let me do EVERYTHING. I shrieked around corners, and went slow just to hear it run on only electric. (I was surprised by the whirring sound it made during that time), and I tested it's torque from slow speed and on the highway, and....my opinion hasn't changed. I like the seating position in the RLX much more than that of the seemingly lower Audi. I liked the seats more, and even now I would say that the interior looks cleaner to me. But the torque of the diesel is just monstrous, and even in Sport mode the hybrid just didn't seem to match it, to me.

So why didn't I buy the Audi? I have the money set aside to just buy it, but instead, I drove my own 2010 Genesis with REPLACEMENT COILOVER Suspension that i have spent hours tuning to my taste, and then in all three cars I had sat in the back while the salesman drove. (Did I mention that everyone on this board may have OCD?) My conclusion was that I had set out to get a new car when my ride had deteriorated, but i had learned that I had some bad struts, so I had them replaced, and I had lost alignment in the rear tires (and I know the accident that did all of it, but only in retrospect). So I drove a "different" car today from the car I was driving the first time. Honestly, there were a lot of toys on the Audi, it was very beautiful, but the driving experience (aside from that....engine) was not better enough for me to spend the money. I wanted that Phaeton feeling, and it's not there, not close.

The General Manager for the Audi dealership spoke with me, a very pleasant, engaging man, and told me that it's all about the wheelbase, anymore. All the other factors had been optimized, so that ride quality was reaching an asymptote, much like
"hull speed" in a boat, and that the air suspension of the Phaeton was excellent, but that the longer wheelbase had likely more to do with the pillowy ride than the suspension. That makes sense, but I don't want to go back to a long wheel base vehicle, I admit. He assured me that the Caddy's magnetorheologic shocks, and BMW's similar dynamic damping could not overcome that same limitation.

Of course I am waiting to hear all your opinions, on that point, but I am presuming that he is describing is a limit while still trying to maintain a sporty bias.

Today I feel I understand why these cars have not had the desired impact. The PAWS has an engine similar to my V6, and yet the driving experience is just passionless. The Hybrid's was better, but the benefit was too subtle for me to feel, I suppose. But apparently, I was not rare in that regard.

so I drove 1000 miles in 2 days, and I am writing on my home computer now, totally satisfied that I have cured my itch to have the Audi or the Acura.

Well, that's not entirely true. I admit that when I feel my car is more worn, yet, I would buy the Audi, but I would NOT CONSIDER IT AN UPGRADE except for that engine, and that transient, superficial, beauty that continues to call to me. (They did return the $1000, but they had promised they would, and I never doubted they would)

I will stay away, now, if so requested.

 

I drove 260 miles today and it was fantastic. The throttle is so sensitive and the car so stable that staying below 90 mph was tough. 90 feels like 70 mph in this car and the responsiveness makes it so fun to drive. I even got a thumbs up from a NY State Trooper who apparently recognized the car as he passed me (one of the few times I was at 65-70 mph). Passing power is super, far more than anyone really needs. And at one point traffic stopped. The silence was still weird after driving it for almost 4 months. The lane next to me was open but cars were passing at around 50 mph so if I was going to get into that lane I had to get up to speed very fast. Well not one to shy away from that need for speed, I put it in Sport, M1 and when the opening in the traffic presented itself, off I went. I planted my family in their seats and shifted at red line. 0-60 mph was dispensed in under 5 seconds I'm sure and a smile was an uncontrolled response. My wife said, that was fun! Her general conservative nature means she normally would not say that. Not today!

The A6 TDI is a great car. I think the suspension question for the two cars in comparison is purely subjective. Personally I really like the RLX-SH as you would expect since I am seriously considering buying a second one! I know I am a whack job for considering it, but I think the car is da bomb.

Unfortunately a short test drive just does not give you the entire picture about it because there are so many ways to access its thrust that you can't "get it" in any short test drive. That is hard to explain in words.

I think you might like to try the CTS v-sport as it is a step up from the standard CTS but not entering the insane world of the new CTS-V. You might really like that car. Why don't you check that out?

 

You know, the new salesman let me put the car through it's paces, but I have had experienced salesmen that really know how to show what a car can do, and this one knew less about the car than I did. There was never anyone who really understood the car able to demonstrate it to me.

Your story about the sudden burst into traffic from a stand still is exactly what you would expect from the "max torque at 0 rpm" electric motors, and I never experienced anything like that in the hybrid, once because I did not know to try and yesterday because maybe there was something I didn't know how to dial in.

And just as you say, so much about the interpretation is subjective, I have had cars "grow" on me in the past, often. (shrug), this board is full of civilized people who understand trusting yourself. I have learned that trusting my initial instinct is very important, that we have "subliminal" memory that is likely based on on our past emotions that will often warn us when someone we are speaking to doesn't make sense BEFORE we cognitively understand why that is. And there is often "truth" coming from that emotional memory. This is our "personal" truth trying to out in our decisions.

Then I will wonder, if I was so emotionally wound up at the time of this visit, and after a long drive, that my expectations were too high. Of course that type of "evaluative error" is always a factor. More people buy Honda's and Toyota's and maybe because their neighbors have them and they are freed from the type of interpretation I try to do for such a purchase.

Of course, that interpretative work is a lot of fun ....for most people on this board.

 

To test acceleration:

Stop car.
Press "Sport button"
Use manual paddle to shift into first.
Floor accelerator.
Proverbial "Sit down, shut up and hang on".
Nearly soil pants and scare the stuff out of your salesman.

That was a great review, sooth. Always trust your gut, though.

 

You forgot to include the saying "Does this thing move? Oh yeah, Yee Haw" like you are Burt Reynolds in Smokey and the the Bandit

 

I'll second that about the great review writeup. Excellent reading!

 

God now I am having thoughts of Raquel Welch

 

Oh, please don't do that.

 

Too busy almost soiling pants to do that.