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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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Never thought I'd find myself making a post like this...but here it is:







The good news is no bodily injuries and it wasn't my fault. Just a little sore and obviously majorly bummed out. She was a great car

My concerns now are whether or not my insurance company "totals" the car. I can't stand the thought of them trying to repair this back to new condition and all the complexities of this car just reeks of on-going issues that may linger, not to mention the immediate depreciation it's already taken. The pictures don't do the damage justice. While the engine started, the car would not move, so clearly some suspension damage took place. It was a full front-end collision (T-bone) with the other driving pulling out in front of me from a parking lot and hit them dead on at probably around 25-30mph. There was traffic in the right lane and I was clear on the left, and they just appeared out of nowhere with not enough time for me to stop.

I'll know more next week when the adjusters make it out. Right now she's just sitting in a tow lot somewhere...
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 09:45 AM
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Truly very sorry to see that, but glad you are okay.

If your insurance company put it back on the road for you, the next time you buy a car be sure to get them to tell you what your old car's value would have been if the crash never happened.

Large insurance companies will pay you the differential in cash, but it's surprising how few people take advantage of that.

State Farm, I know for sure, will make up the differential in cash when you buy a new car.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 09:48 AM
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Great advice - thank you George. That's exactly the type of stuff I need to know, as this is all new for me being in this type of situation.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 09:52 AM
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The reason I know about State Farm is because my 2006 Accord 6-6 HFP Coupe (!!) was the victim of a serious hit and run parking lot incident that amounted to thousands of dollars.

State Farm said to be sure to let them know when I got rid of the car, because they guaranteed a "like new" repair.

And they really came through, sending a surprisingly big cheque when I bought my 2010 TL 6-6 SH-AWD.

And don't despair too much. Repair shops are really quite good these days, specializing in odd things like restoring an airbag powder-contaminated interior and making sure that you as the owner never notice anything different about the car...even if you can be sure the next Acura general manager will be able to tell you've been in an accident.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 10:01 AM
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Wow, sorry to see, but glad no one was hurt. Best of luck with your insurance company and hope everything works out the way you want.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 10:49 AM
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 11:01 AM
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Oh man! So sorry to see that. Glad there were no injuries. It's very distressing for us car types to have wrecks, especially on a basically new car like yours. Hang in there and I hope everything goes your way with the repairs and insurance side of things. Keep us posted.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by holografique
Never thought I'd find myself making a post like this...but here it is:







The good news is no bodily injuries and it wasn't my fault. Just a little sore and obviously majorly bummed out. She was a great car

My concerns now are whether or not my insurance company "totals" the car. I can't stand the thought of them trying to repair this back to new condition and all the complexities of this car just reeks of on-going issues that may linger, not to mention the immediate depreciation it's already taken. The pictures don't do the damage justice. While the engine started, the car would not move, so clearly some suspension damage took place. It was a full front-end collision (T-bone) with the other driving pulling out in front of me from a parking lot and hit them dead on at probably around 25-30mph. There was traffic in the right lane and I was clear on the left, and they just appeared out of nowhere with not enough time for me to stop.

I'll know more next week when the adjusters make it out. Right now she's just sitting in a tow lot somewhere...
Sorry about your unfortunate accident and it great no one was hurt. I agree I would be concern about whether they total it our try to repair it. The problem with totaling it is the gap from what the insurance prices it at versus what you owe, unless you have really good insurance that will fight to have the other company cover the gap. By the way I am new to this forum and just purchased a week ago a new 2015 Acura RLX Advance. It look like you have the car number in your info, #3048 where did you find it?

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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 11:40 AM
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Wow, sorry about the accident, but good news there were no injuries. I know it looks terrible, but I'm betting it won't be totaled, and that -- assuming you research and find a high quality body shop -- you'll never be able to tell it was damaged. Good luck.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 11:41 AM
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Holografique, First and foremost, glad that you are ok.

There is nothing more frustrating than seeing your beloved car damaged by some careless buffoon who was probably on their phone yaking instead of paying attention to their driving. George's advice is great. As the injured party, you are in the position to make demands, so don't agree to/sign anything until you are 100% happy with the resolution/settlement.

I'd say that a brand new 2015 SHAWD RLX Advance would be a good start toward adequate compensation and when you get one, we'll need a full review.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 12:21 PM
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Glad you are OK and no one else injured.

You would be surprised how well that damage will be repaired. The ACE structure is made to crumple like that and I would be surprised if it was totaled.

But I understand your confidence compromised with a repaired vehicle. Unless you decided to move to another car model, you might find a trade into a new RLX less painful than you think.

Hope you will keep us posted.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 12:27 PM
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Glad you are ok, but it's worth erring on the side of caution. My wife was in a similar accident where she was T-boned in her CRV. I took her to the doctor immediately after. There was bruising from the seat belt and some markings from the side air bags, but no real pain that day. A couple days later problems started appearing with her neck and arm. She is still in treatment three years later. Fortunately she didn't sign the release, where they wanted to settle for $500.

In Virginia the at-fault insurance company is responsible for paying a "diminished value claim". I used the KBB value the day of the accident and then got an estimate from Car Max after all the repairs were completed ($12,000 in repairs). There was an estimated $5k diminished value. We got $4k.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 01:41 PM
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Noooooooo.....the best looking RLX is crunched up! *sob*

Glad the car did its job to protect you.

Good luck with repairs.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 03:30 PM
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Glad to see your okay! I'm very sorry about the accident. I hope all goes well with the car. I'm very glad the RLX did its job and kept you safe.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 03:55 PM
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Thanks everyone for the responses and words of support. It's that feeling of something you work hard for and rewarded yourself with suddenly taken away that stings the most. But in the end, I am most grateful for my health

Regarding the comments on the ACE construction: I will say that I was very amazed how well the car took the impact and came to it's stop. It was a very controlled and "clean" stop if there was a way for me to describe it. No real aftershock, bounce-back or recoil. It was literally one second I was moving the next second I was completelt stopped. Airbags were instant and not a millisecond late. While it all happened very quickly, I recall every moment of it. So I really have to commend Acura on a tremondous job done with the safety mechanisms and design of the car.

I will definitely keep you all posted on #3048. She was a great car (despite my moans), and maybe she will live to drive another day :p If not, then I may jump into a TLX SH-AWD Advance for a couple years to give Acura more time to shake things out with the "RLX" in hopes to come back and join the ranks with you crazy cats

On that note I asked my dealer about the Sports Hybrid and they actually turned down the offer to get them because they were upset that Acura was selling it as a 2014 model. Kinda glad to see dealer pushback in hopes that Acura is really getting the message that they need to step up their game with the RLX if they really want to offer a flagship sedan of its class. Their is too much competition out there for them to be making the mistakes they are making with the RLX.

As their flagship and the asking price, it should be a "no compromises" vehicle in every aspect of the car. No BS, no delays, no issues, no lack of this or that, just the best that Acura can be - period.

Stay tuned...

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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 04:06 PM
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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Sorry to hear about your accident man, but I am glad that you are okay. Did the accident happen on Peachtree...looks like it from the pics.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 06:25 PM
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Good to see you are ok!

Even if they put it back together, the shock, stress, etc some components have experienced may create issues in the future. Even tho they look ok from the outside. For example, air conditioning pipes, engine mounts, tranny internals, fuel lines, etc, etc.

A valid question I think is: what if the car experiences issues in the future? What if the tranny goes in a year or so? Then what? Assuming its still under warranty, will Acura cover it under warranty or tell you that because of the crash they won't?

Just some thoughts...
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 06:33 PM
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Holografique....OMG!! I am so sorry to har about your accident but am happy you are OK. I can appreciate your concern about them wanting o repair your RLX....I am like you in that respect. I will say that when I saw your thread, my heart sank....Sorry again!
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 08:50 PM
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I'm glad you are not injured.
Car can be replaced but your health can't.

I've been in few accident (not at-fault) and found other party responsible.
However, state of MA does not cover diminished value as they claim repair facility will bring it back to prior-to accident condition.
I told them I will never see the full value of my car due to accident history and they said there is no such a thing which is BS.

Insurance company usually totals the car if cost of repair exceeds 75~85% of car's value.
Given the age and mileage of vehicle, it's unlikely they will total it as it would not go over 75~85% of value as you stated engine started.
However, even if the car does not have damage worth 75~85% of the car, if it has structural/frame damage they would consider totaling the car.

My advice for you to do to re-coup all the damage you incur from this accident is to hire best personal injury lawyer ASAP and go see a doctor/ER.
Even tho you might feel fine for now, you might have internal injury.
I was in same situation when my Type-R was totaled, I felt fine and didn't see doctor/ER and had lower back pain that increased daily until it got severe enough to see doctor and was diagnosed with L5 disc herniation.
My lawyer said it would've been best if I saw the doctor immediately after accident as defendant's lawyer said there was enough time for me to cause injury to myself after the accident which was complete BS.
My settlement ended up being lot less than what I would've gotten if I went to see the doctor immediately.
DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I MADE!!!

Hopefully everything will turn out fine for you and you re-coup every single penny.
Good luck!
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 04:48 PM
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Wow, I'm glad you're alright but sorry to see the damage to the car. The post above me is correct, you need to exceed a certain threshold for the car to be totaled and I'm guessing that you won't reach that unless there is hidden damage. From what I can see in the pictures, I'd estimate you've got about $12-$15,000 worth of damage. Damage to the radiator, air-conditioning compressor, bumper hangers and possible suspension damage not included. If you are "lucky" you may have incurred some frame damage which would increase the likelihood that the total cost could pass their threshold but I don't see evidence of that from the photos (a kink in the A-pillar or roof for example). Regardless, good luck with everything and remember that the most important thing is that you are okay.
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 05:15 PM
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It look like you have the car number in your info, #3048 where did you find it?
There is a certain sequence of numbers in your VIN that identifies which number it is in the entire production run. I don't have the info in front of me but I'm sure someone else here can guide you in the right direction
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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From what I can see in the pictures, I'd estimate you've got about $12-$15,000 worth of damage. Damage to the radiator, air-conditioning compressor, bumper hangers and possible suspension damage not included. If you are "lucky" you may have incurred some frame damage which would increase the likelihood that the total cost could pass their threshold but I don't see evidence of that from the photos (a kink in the A-pillar or roof for example).
Thanks for the input Colin. you are right that from the pictures you cannot tell if there was any real structural damage, but then again I also didn't check closely. So that's yet to be seen. The adjusters start the first round of inspection work tomorrow.

As for the threshold, it's my understanding after speaking with my insurance company (Progressive), they also factor in the total depreciation to the car value as a result of the accident towards that threshold. So if you take what you can see in the pic, along with the other items you mentioned, and the depreciation, it all starts adding pretty quickly. So we'll see.

Today was a better day, still feeling fine (physically) and mentally starting to move past the event and the loss. Even to the point of starting to re-think my current strategy amongst things I need to focus on in life, and whether right now I really need a nice luxury car. With the amount of miles I drive to/from work each day (40-45 total), I may jump into something even more economical and put my $$ elsewhere for the short-term. I've already made up my mind that I'm not coming back to an RLX if they total the current one, in hopes that it will be a better vehicle in 2 years. And I'm not sure I really even need to get into a TLX either. Especially if I'm going to wait to see if they do a proper MMC update for the RLX come 2016.

This week should be interesting...


Originally Posted by MisterZDX
Sorry to hear about your accident man, but I am glad that you are okay. Did the accident happen on Peachtree...looks like it from the pics.
It was on 14th, between W. Peachtree and Peachtree.

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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 06:41 PM
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Today was a better day, still feeling fine (physically) and mentally starting to move past the event and the loss. Even to the point of starting to re-think my current strategy amongst things I need to focus on in life, and whether right now I really need a nice luxury car. With the amount of miles I drive to/from work each day (40-45 total), I may jump into something even more economical and put my $$ elsewhere for the short-term.
I would suggest an Accord Sport or an upper trim if you want some of the tech similar to the RLX. You can never go wrong with an Accord.
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 07:49 PM
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Accord Sport is fun (especially in 6MT form.....wheee!) but a bit Spartan. EX-L or Touting gives you more tech.

Doesn't look totaled to me, either, so likely you'll be back in your RLX before you know it.
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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 06:11 AM
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Glad to hear you are still doing well after the accident.!! As the adjuster deals with the damage assessment, perhaps getting the RLX back on the road is doable... Not quite like new, but rather decent just the same. Except for some teething issues, the RLX is a fine car.
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Old Sep 22, 2014 | 07:01 AM
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I am sorry to hear about the accident but good to hear you are OK with no injuries. As stated previously, cars can be repaired to be like new but be sure and get some form of compensation for loss of value due to accident. I would suggest having an Acura body shop look at the car since they are more familiar with the design and features of the RLX. I would also suggest you go see a doctor as a precautionary note.
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Old Sep 25, 2014 | 07:49 PM
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Any updates Holografique? What's the latest news regarding your wounded RLX?
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Old Sep 25, 2014 | 11:25 PM
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Just received a call today that it looks like #3048 will be a total loss.

I don't have all the details yet, but hope to get those tomorrow. Very sad, but at the same time this is what I preferred to see happen in the end.

I'll post more as I get more details.
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Old Sep 25, 2014 | 11:42 PM
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Firstly, glad you're okay holografique. I was in a head on collision many years ago (before the widespread use of Airbags) and found out a few days later I had suffered a mild concussion. (drunk driver hit me at about 40mph!)


Not trying to sound preachy or anything but I hope you got checked out by a doctor as the effects of a concussion can linger for days and sometimes weeks.


Really sorry to hear about your loss, I know you loved that car. I hope you're healthy and everything works out for the best.
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 06:28 AM
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Thanks for the update and please get checked out by a physician. We all want you to return to the site healthy.
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 07:25 AM
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RLX #3048

Glad you're doing OK, holographique! Maybe you'll be one of the first in a Sport Hybrid...if you dare....
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 10:09 AM
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Just received a call today that it looks like #3048 will be a total loss.
And now the fight starts over what's the dollar amount of a total loss.

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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 11:12 AM
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And now the fight starts over what's the dollar amount of a total loss.

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That is why I fully finance a car and get gap, or lease. This way there is never a fight over money and if the car is fully financed it is lilkely you owe as much as the car as worth or more ;-)
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 07:36 PM
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^ it's a lease. So I should walk away from this clean. They are still "running the numbers" and hope to know for sure on Monday.

As for what's next, I've made the decision not to get back into an RLX, and certainly not a 2014 SH-AWD. Gonna wait it out to see what Acura does to refine the RLX to be what it should be.

I'm headed to a local dealer tomorrow to test drive a V6 Advanced TLX and see if I want to go that route. If I do, then I'll do a 3-year lease, and if they improve the RLX come 2016, then I'll turn in the TLX early and come back to the RLX, P-AWS or SH-AWD.

If I do go the TLX route...it's gonna be just like this little bad-boy...

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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 11:57 PM
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That's a beautiful TLX. I hope it meets your needs and expectations and you don't have to leave the Acura family.
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by holografique

As for what's next, I've made the decision not to get back into an RLX, and certainly not a 2014 SH-AWD. Gonna wait it out to see what Acura does to refine the RLX to be what it should be.

I'm headed to a local dealer tomorrow to test drive a V6 Advanced TLX and see if I want to go that route. If I do, then I'll do a 3-year lease, and if they improve the RLX come 2016, then I'll turn in the TLX early and come back to the RLX, P-AWS or SH-AWD.
Good Luck. IMHO this is a very wise choice and the value of the TLX (in comparison to the RLX) makes it a compelling, if not familiar alternative. It would certainly position you well with a 2016 RLX update (which I hope for as well).

Even if you do not decide on the TLX, having had butt time in the RLX, I think your observations / camparo or the TLX to the RLX would be of interest to me and I think valuable to members of the RLX forum.

Key points I would be interested focus on features not executed well on the RLX but have succeeded with the TLX. Key points on suspension chatter, ride quality, infotainment bugginess, build quality, etc.
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithL
That is why I fully finance a car and get gap, or lease.
I'm one of those people for whom a lease would never work out. I wish it would, but I don't think so.

I drive at least 25,000/year.
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Old Sep 27, 2014 | 01:10 PM
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Just from the pictures I wouldn't have thought it was a total. For your sake, I guess I'm glad they're leaning that way, since a car never seems to be the same after substantial repairs.

Hope you had gap insurance!

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Old Sep 28, 2014 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by George Knighton
I'm one of those people for whom a lease would never work out. I wish it would, but I don't think so.

I drive at least 25,000/year.
Then always buy GAP. This way the bank and insurance company can argue it out.
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