Colin: When Will Hybrid RLX Be Available?
10-15-2013, 04:59 PM
#81
Suzuka Master
Having owned an M37 (Q70), if Infiniti can get the Q50 tech gremlins resolved and move that tech into the Q70 I would likely go back to Infiniti. Not everyone likes the M37S styling, but I loved it and at least it was not bland. If Acura would do a Type-S TLX then maybe they can get some of that crowd back. With all the competitors offering sme sort of "Sport" model Acura would be the only one not to. Even the Genesis has the R-Spec. I still see several Type-S TL on the road and love them still.
10-17-2013, 03:11 AM
#82
Q50 hybrid AWD is 4,150 lbs vehicle. It looks to me in same ballpark weight wise as RLX SH-AWD. It is also 189inch long.
10-17-2013, 02:10 PM
#84
6G TLX-S
^^^^^
Q50 hybrid = $43,950
Q50 AWD hybrid = $45,750
RLX AWD hybrid = $50+K estimated
The RLX is in a different price category and therefore vehicle class category than the Q50.
May be later on if there's a TLX AWD hybrid comes out. Then it'll be in the same vehicle segment as the Q50 AWD hybrid.
Q50 hybrid = $43,950
Q50 AWD hybrid = $45,750
RLX AWD hybrid = $50+K estimated
The RLX is in a different price category and therefore vehicle class category than the Q50.
May be later on if there's a TLX AWD hybrid comes out. Then it'll be in the same vehicle segment as the Q50 AWD hybrid.
10-17-2013, 09:55 PM
#85
10-18-2013, 11:40 AM
#86
Suzuka Master
Sit in them, the Q50 is far more cramped and feels way smaller than the GS. Infiniti has exterior bloat I think. And the interior measurements say otherwise, but I always feel cramped in a G or Q50.
10-22-2013, 08:05 PM
#87
Just checked my mail and got a copy of "Acura Style" magazine. They have a nice shot of a black SH-AWD RLX near the back of the magazine. Looks about the same, but the LED foglights definitely add a nice touch to the vehicle.
10-22-2013, 09:03 PM
#89
Burning Brakes
Can you take pictures of it and post them? I can't find a online version nor am I subbed.
Upon looking, the '14 ILX Hybrid is up for Build and Price, and they re-done the RLX's Basque red Pearl color to be more accurate. Before it was a bright orange-e-red.
Upon looking, the '14 ILX Hybrid is up for Build and Price, and they re-done the RLX's Basque red Pearl color to be more accurate. Before it was a bright orange-e-red.
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10-22-2013, 10:32 PM
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10-22-2013, 10:38 PM
#91
Safety Car
Thank You
The grille looks to be chrome in that picture ...
10-23-2013, 03:32 PM
#92
Cajun Gumbo Man
sneak peek
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10-23-2013, 03:37 PM
#93
Cajun Gumbo Man
sneak peek two
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10-23-2013, 05:20 PM
#95
Cajun Gumbo Man
They do that on purpose......Always wait for the "top of line debut"......
10-23-2013, 05:53 PM
#96
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My ZDX is nothing wrong with it except mediocre mpg.
So, Im looking forward to getting this new RLX.
So, Im looking forward to getting this new RLX.
10-23-2013, 06:42 PM
#97
Cajun Gumbo Man
ZDX was doomed to fail! Great vehicle? Sure its an Acura, but I knew it would not survive.....Once they gave me one for a loaner.....the blind spots were beyond ! I couldn't wait to return her.....Is it one of a kind vehicle ? sure is....
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10-24-2013, 09:44 AM
#101
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According to that article, SH-AWD RLX combined MPG is 30.
Hummmmm......
By the time it officially released, hope it increases at least 35. Too much to ask?
Hummmmm......
By the time it officially released, hope it increases at least 35. Too much to ask?
10-25-2013, 07:46 PM
#102
I just got the Style magazine today. Did you see those wine racks?!
10-26-2013, 07:54 AM
#103
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That's a reason lots of us current/former RL owners are licking our chops for this version of the RLX.
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10-26-2013, 11:02 AM
#104
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Yes, it's been stated as 30/30/30 from day 1.
But new Accord Hybrid(47 combined) comes out on 10/31,
I just hoped SH-AWD RLX increases its MPG to 35 to 40.
*30/30/30=subject to change.
Then, please change it!!!(not lower though)
But new Accord Hybrid(47 combined) comes out on 10/31,
I just hoped SH-AWD RLX increases its MPG to 35 to 40.
*30/30/30=subject to change.
Then, please change it!!!(not lower though)
10-26-2013, 11:52 AM
#105
no way it will go higher - how much lighter is the Accord?
all the power still comes from gas
all the power still comes from gas
10-26-2013, 12:01 PM
#106
Three Wheelin'
Considering that the FWD RLX is rated at 20 city, 31 highway and 24 combined, then reaching 30/30/30 represents a significant achievement for the hybrid. The extra weight of the batteries and AWD system will hurt the highway numbers slightly so all the significant mileage gains of the hybrid are mostly in stop and go city traffic.
More significant for me is that the "fun factor" should be multiplied significantly and the traction/control in winter driving greatly improved over the FWD version. As I've said before, SHAWD kicks a$$ in the snow and I can't wait to try the new and improved hybrid version.
More significant for me is that the "fun factor" should be multiplied significantly and the traction/control in winter driving greatly improved over the FWD version. As I've said before, SHAWD kicks a$$ in the snow and I can't wait to try the new and improved hybrid version.
10-26-2013, 12:39 PM
#107
In terms of mileage, Hybrids do not really have an advantage if at all in highway driving. Better off with a diesel if that is most of your driving and your concern is mileage.
10-26-2013, 01:37 PM
#108
Burning Brakes
I beg to differ.
I think the RLX SH-AWD Hybrid will blow past the 30/30/30 estimate delivering something more like 32/35/37. Easily.
As far as we know the engine isn't being touched. Maybe a slightly different tune for the VCM and Start-Stop tech, but that's it. I don't see anything more the a 5HP bump in gas power alone if any. We've all been speculating that the extra power and gobs of torque are coming out of the Electric motors. I'm sure we're right.
So with the already pretty efficient engine being unchanged aside from Start/Stop tech, I see no reason why the RLX shouldn't get anything higher then 30 city and at least 35 highway. I know there is added weight, but the 7 speed should help out with that too.
We'll have to wait and see.
Also, I call a below 5.5 second 0-60 time.
And sorta think that during take off the rear motors, transmission motor and engine all work at 100% together (no more FWD wheel chirp, the rear electric motors will keep the rear wheels up to speed with the front, maybe a bit quicker) and then the rear motors ease off around 40MPH while the engine and trans motor work together and the rear's don't come back into play till a curve comes or the next launch/ braking.
Probably rapid acceleration under 40MPH, then slightly faster 40-60MPH and then about normal RLX Acceleration form then on.
I think the RLX SH-AWD Hybrid will blow past the 30/30/30 estimate delivering something more like 32/35/37. Easily.
As far as we know the engine isn't being touched. Maybe a slightly different tune for the VCM and Start-Stop tech, but that's it. I don't see anything more the a 5HP bump in gas power alone if any. We've all been speculating that the extra power and gobs of torque are coming out of the Electric motors. I'm sure we're right.
So with the already pretty efficient engine being unchanged aside from Start/Stop tech, I see no reason why the RLX shouldn't get anything higher then 30 city and at least 35 highway. I know there is added weight, but the 7 speed should help out with that too.
We'll have to wait and see.
Also, I call a below 5.5 second 0-60 time.
And sorta think that during take off the rear motors, transmission motor and engine all work at 100% together (no more FWD wheel chirp, the rear electric motors will keep the rear wheels up to speed with the front, maybe a bit quicker) and then the rear motors ease off around 40MPH while the engine and trans motor work together and the rear's don't come back into play till a curve comes or the next launch/ braking.
Probably rapid acceleration under 40MPH, then slightly faster 40-60MPH and then about normal RLX Acceleration form then on.
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10-26-2013, 06:55 PM
#109
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More significant for me is that the "fun factor" should be multiplied significantly and the traction/control in winter driving greatly improved over the FWD version. As I've said before, SHAWD kicks a$$ in the snow and I can't wait to try the new and improved hybrid version.
SH-AWD is still the shiz in the snow and on dry roads. This version with electric motors sounds pretty cool.
Acura needs to make sure the rest of the masses understands that.
10-26-2013, 08:39 PM
#111
Maybe at 55, but basically it is a heavier car being powered by the same gas engine at highway speed. What will give you better mpg?
10-26-2013, 08:56 PM
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So.. in theory at least, Honda could probably squeeze a couple more highway MPG's out of the same motor with different gearing.
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10-26-2013, 09:01 PM
#113
Burning Brakes
The extra cog is for low RPM at highway speeds (65-80 MPH). Lower RPM's = less fuel burning from that same gas engine, and because the RPM's are lower (say below 1,800RPMs), the electric motor(s) are in the better sport of their power bands, making some meaty torque to keep the car propelled, along with the V6 helping when a hill comes along.
It doesn't take much power to keep a car at a steady speed.
When you get on the gas more, both the engine and motors work harder together.
Simple.
-The easier it is for the car to travel, the less fuel it has to burn to keep a steady pace.
-Because the same gas engine isn't trying 100% of the time alone, it doesn't have to burn as much fuel to keep that steady pace.
So just because the car gains 300-500lbs, the things that are adding the weight will be making up for their self's in a way.
10-26-2013, 09:08 PM
#115
Three Wheelin'
The 7 speed transmission gearing could give the better mileage. The flat torque curve of the new engine and the torque boost from the electric motors could allow Acura to use an extra-tall "overdrive" gear in the new transmission to maximize cruising fuel economy.
We'll have to wait and see, but the 7 speed tranny should offer the possibility of better mileage and better acceleration.
Whoops...I guess I'm the slowest typer in the group.
We'll have to wait and see, but the 7 speed tranny should offer the possibility of better mileage and better acceleration.
Whoops...I guess I'm the slowest typer in the group.
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10-26-2013, 09:17 PM
#116
all the power is coming from gas one way or the other. Perhaps some small gains are made by using electric power to eliminate some downshifts, but I just don't see a gain.
Slightly more hp is required to keep the heavier car at speed although most of the resistance is going to be wind.
Any work by the electric engines has to be recharged by gas engine unless regenerative braking is involved. Not much regen braking going down the highway and doubt if they even involve any change in speed for highway mpg testing
Bets?
Slightly more hp is required to keep the heavier car at speed although most of the resistance is going to be wind.
Any work by the electric engines has to be recharged by gas engine unless regenerative braking is involved. Not much regen braking going down the highway and doubt if they even involve any change in speed for highway mpg testing
Bets?
10-26-2013, 09:54 PM
#117
Burning Brakes
I bet in straight line driving and mild, light throttle cornering (Where torque vectoring isn't needed) the rear motors regen some power, that and when braking.
Besides, if Acura expects this car to rely on using the motors that often then they have better put in a lot of battery tech to hold more power longer.
It's not like the engine will have to run 24/7. After all they did put Start-Stop tech on the RLX, so that would defeat the purpose.
But I'm glad you mentioned that, because I still do not like the system so much that it relies on electricity, and if one motor fails of the battery fails or what have you, then what SH-AWD do you have? I like the mechanical system better. They made it lighter and more efficient in the new MDX, I'm sure they could have done the same here.
We'll see how this all plays out when the RLX and NSX start showing off.
Besides, if Acura expects this car to rely on using the motors that often then they have better put in a lot of battery tech to hold more power longer.
It's not like the engine will have to run 24/7. After all they did put Start-Stop tech on the RLX, so that would defeat the purpose.
But I'm glad you mentioned that, because I still do not like the system so much that it relies on electricity, and if one motor fails of the battery fails or what have you, then what SH-AWD do you have? I like the mechanical system better. They made it lighter and more efficient in the new MDX, I'm sure they could have done the same here.
We'll see how this all plays out when the RLX and NSX start showing off.
10-26-2013, 11:11 PM
#118
all the power is coming from gas one way or the other. Perhaps some small gains are made by using electric power to eliminate some downshifts, but I just don't see a gain.
Slightly more hp is required to keep the heavier car at speed although most of the resistance is going to be wind.
Any work by the electric engines has to be recharged by gas engine unless regenerative braking is involved. Not much regen braking going down the highway and doubt if they even involve any change in speed for highway mpg testing
Bets?
Slightly more hp is required to keep the heavier car at speed although most of the resistance is going to be wind.
Any work by the electric engines has to be recharged by gas engine unless regenerative braking is involved. Not much regen braking going down the highway and doubt if they even involve any change in speed for highway mpg testing
Bets?
I dont see why RLX hybrid if 10% heavier than FWD RLX cant past 31mpg freeway. 10% heavier means 400lbs extra weight incase of RLX hybrid over FWD RLX. it may be getting 30mpg on EPA tests as EPA does not test at 70 to 80mph.
10-27-2013, 01:50 AM
#119
all the power is coming from gas one way or the other. Perhaps some small gains are made by using electric power to eliminate some downshifts, but I just don't see a gain.
Slightly more hp is required to keep the heavier car at speed although most of the resistance is going to be wind.
Any work by the electric engines has to be recharged by gas engine unless regenerative braking is involved. Not much regen braking going down the highway and doubt if they even involve any change in speed for highway mpg testing
Bets?
Slightly more hp is required to keep the heavier car at speed although most of the resistance is going to be wind.
Any work by the electric engines has to be recharged by gas engine unless regenerative braking is involved. Not much regen braking going down the highway and doubt if they even involve any change in speed for highway mpg testing
Bets?
10-27-2013, 11:27 AM
#120
Accord Hybrid is 10% heavier than regular Accord but still gets 47mpg on freeway. That is about 10 more mpg than 4 cylinder Accord.
I dont see why RLX hybrid if 10% heavier than FWD RLX cant past 31mpg freeway. 10% heavier means 400lbs extra weight incase of RLX hybrid over FWD RLX. it may be getting 30mpg on EPA tests as EPA does not test at 70 to 80mph.
I dont see why RLX hybrid if 10% heavier than FWD RLX cant past 31mpg freeway. 10% heavier means 400lbs extra weight incase of RLX hybrid over FWD RLX. it may be getting 30mpg on EPA tests as EPA does not test at 70 to 80mph.