3.0L turbo 6 for RDX/MDX?
#81
Beyond just the product itself, a key thing they’ll have to execute on is the sales (and post-sales) experience. For them to be taken seriously, they have to make you feel like you bought something special and treat you like a VIP. Lexus does it, the Germans do it, Land Rover does it, and Acura...does not. Genesis has a shot if they start fresh, but if they’re banking on the existing Hyundai/Kia dealership network to provide this level of customer service, they’re going to be DOA no matter how good their cars are. If they continue down the path of not having a dedicated dealership network, they have to be absolutely sure that their customers will never set foot in a H/K dealership. I know this sounds elitist, but if I’m paying $50K+ for a luxury car, I expect not to have to rub shoulders with the plebs
. I’d expect an airport lounge type of experience, not the DMV waiting room experience.
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Entrepid (08-30-2020)
#82
I have 7 dedicated Hyundai dealers in my metro areas with 3 combo Genesis/Hyundai dealers. Of the 3 combo dealers 2 are in the process of building standalone genesis dealerships that should be done by summer of 2021. Another benefit of buying a Genesis is the complimentary service valet in which they come to you pickup your vehicle and leave a loaner with you while it's serviced. You never even go to the dealership and rub shoulders with plebs.
#84
Was thinking about getting the Sorrento before I got the RDX. Kia dealer offered me what worked out to be around $1,000 off MSRP for a demonstrator model like he was doing me a favour. Religiously avoided giving me the price of the car... always answered with how many dollars it would be bi-weekly, as if that ploy would work. Such juvenille sales tactics
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#85
What M engined X3 are you talking about? The X3 M40i? Certainly not the X3M, which is the real M car, but nobody expects the Type-S to compete with the real Ms. The X3 M40i is not a real M car, it does not have an M engine, and it certainly is something that the Type-S should compete against given the price ($55K) and position in the lineup (one step above the base).
There is simply too much lag / hesitation with Honda/Acura products (we have an Odyssey too) to compete with the likes of an X3 M40i. I would be surprised if an RDX Type S exorcised the hesitation / lag issues, especially after braking, let alone bridge the power defecit compared to the M40i engine (rated at 382 hp, but likely stronger than that).
#88
As I'm becoming more familiar with the RDX, this is rising to the top of the few things I don't like. During highway lane shift situations, I notice it everytime now. It's a little unnerving, and I consider it before merging or swapping lanes. I'd rather not have that concern. But, I think many would agree that it's not solely the engine to blame for the hesitation.
This will definitely be something I more carefully investigate during future test drives, especially if looking at a straight ICE vehicle.
#89
Drifting
I have to agree.
As I'm becoming more familiar with the RDX, this is rising to the top of the few things I don't like. During highway lane shift situations, I notice it everytime now. It's a little unnerving, and I consider it before merging or swapping lanes. I'd rather not have that concern. But, I think many would agree that it's not solely the engine to blame for the hesitation.
This will definitely be something I more carefully investigate during future test drives, especially if looking at a straight ICE vehicle.
As I'm becoming more familiar with the RDX, this is rising to the top of the few things I don't like. During highway lane shift situations, I notice it everytime now. It's a little unnerving, and I consider it before merging or swapping lanes. I'd rather not have that concern. But, I think many would agree that it's not solely the engine to blame for the hesitation.
This will definitely be something I more carefully investigate during future test drives, especially if looking at a straight ICE vehicle.
But like everything else in this delightful republic of ours, electrification of automobiles has become politicized. And Acura plays to the American consumer, so they dare not offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.
#90
An electric motor or two could fill in that torque gap quite nicely, IMO. Seems like a missed opportunity to be ahead of the curve, instead of watching the taillights of the competition disappear from view around the curve.
But like everything else in this delightful republic of ours, electrification of automobiles has become politicized. And Acura plays to the American consumer, so they dare not offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.
But like everything else in this delightful republic of ours, electrification of automobiles has become politicized. And Acura plays to the American consumer, so they dare not offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.
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I have to agree.
As I'm becoming more familiar with the RDX, this is rising to the top of the few things I don't like. During highway lane shift situations, I notice it everytime now. It's a little unnerving, and I consider it before merging or swapping lanes. I'd rather not have that concern. But, I think many would agree that it's not solely the engine to blame for the hesitation.
This will definitely be something I more carefully investigate during future test drives, especially if looking at a straight ICE vehicle.
As I'm becoming more familiar with the RDX, this is rising to the top of the few things I don't like. During highway lane shift situations, I notice it everytime now. It's a little unnerving, and I consider it before merging or swapping lanes. I'd rather not have that concern. But, I think many would agree that it's not solely the engine to blame for the hesitation.
This will definitely be something I more carefully investigate during future test drives, especially if looking at a straight ICE vehicle.
Back when I was driving lower horsepower sticks, I would have to downshift and get in the right rev range when I knew I would need power.
I would not expect to have to do that with this car, but a couple of downshifts on the paddle in advance of the move oughta do it. Lane shifts with power are foreseeable events.
#92
Burning Brakes
An electric motor or two could fill in that torque gap quite nicely, IMO. Seems like a missed opportunity to be ahead of the curve, instead of watching the taillights of the competition disappear from view around the curve.
But like everything else in this delightful republic of ours, electrification of automobiles has become politicized. And Acura plays to the American consumer, so they dare not offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.
But like everything else in this delightful republic of ours, electrification of automobiles has become politicized. And Acura plays to the American consumer, so they dare not offend anyone's delicate sensibilities.
As I drive mostly in the city my fuel economy is pretty trash and an electric motor not only addresses that deficit but does a while bunch of nice performance minded things - things that are inline with the brand message Acura is trying for.
#93
Back when I was driving lower horsepower sticks, I would have to downshift and get in the right rev range when I knew I would need power.
I would not expect to have to do that with this car, but a couple of downshifts on the paddle in advance of the move oughta do it. Lane shifts with power are foreseeable events.
I would not expect to have to do that with this car, but a couple of downshifts on the paddle in advance of the move oughta do it. Lane shifts with power are foreseeable events.
I also have a lower horsepower car with a stick, and I'm fully involved with power delivery in that car. When driving a fairly powerful modern automatic, I want the car to do what I would do, only faster and without me doing part of the work.
It's not a terrible condition, but I just don't like it. Beyond that, it's potentially a safety issue if I misjudge a gap and the car doesn’t bail me out because it can't react fast enough.
Apologies for taking this off-topic.
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#94
Drifting
A few weeks ago I needed to make a quick lane change to avoid a vehicle that was abruptly stopping in front of me without warning. I could have braked, but the next lane was open. I was on a slight uphill grade, going about 40 mph, in a 45 mph zone, in Comfort mode. I punched it, got a very quick chirp from the front tires (FWD) and had no hesitation what so ever. My wife wasn't pleased, but ...uhm...I was quite surprised at my end velocity, on a city street! I have no idea what gear it went to, but man, did this thing fly!
I totally understand the need for power, and even more specifically, hesitation-less power. And I understand that the hesitation most often mentioned here is at a lower speed. Having owned many Hybrid vehicles, I agree that the instant torque of the electric motor(s) would go a long way to end the hesitation some owners experience, but at what initial cost? It may be a driving style, I don't know... but I am rarely in as much of a need for instant acceleration as I was this day, and the RDX did not fail me.
I totally understand the need for power, and even more specifically, hesitation-less power. And I understand that the hesitation most often mentioned here is at a lower speed. Having owned many Hybrid vehicles, I agree that the instant torque of the electric motor(s) would go a long way to end the hesitation some owners experience, but at what initial cost? It may be a driving style, I don't know... but I am rarely in as much of a need for instant acceleration as I was this day, and the RDX did not fail me.
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For clarification, you mentioned that they wanted to put in the 2.0T but didn't...would you be able to share why they didn't? Was it a technical reason, or a product/marketing decision?
#96
video mentions its a 3.5 liter with 10 speed. This looks like a plus size RDX. Very clean looking.
Acura is nailing the design language lately.
#97
https://youtu.be/57xR3nJpVCs
video mentions its a 3.5 liter with 10 speed. This looks like a plus size RDX. Very clean looking.
Acura is nailing the design language lately.
video mentions its a 3.5 liter with 10 speed. This looks like a plus size RDX. Very clean looking.
Acura is nailing the design language lately.
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