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We all want to know when is the next RDX and RDX TYPE are coming. We have the spy pics of MDX and TLX MMC but nothing about RDX. Acura shall reveal the news before end of the year!
We all want to know when is the next RDX and RDX TYPE are coming. We have the spy pics of MDX and TLX MMC but nothing about RDX. Acura shall reveal the news before end of the year!
It will probably be right after I take delivery of my 2023
Strangely enough they haven't said anything yet. Not expecting a new generation until 2025 though but weirdly enough you would expect the 2024's to be hitting dealer lots by now.
Strangely enough they haven't said anything yet. Not expecting a new generation until 2025 though but weirdly enough you would expect the 2024's to be hitting dealer lots by now.
I think Acura is too busy with ZDX followed by TLX & MDX MMC until
end of this year. Spring 2024, RDX will be revealed and hit the showroom by summer
Hybrid! Time to move forward with a more fuel efficient RDX.
Acura has clearly stated their intent to skip hybrids and transition directly from ICE's to EV's. As much as I'd like to see more efficient Acura ICE options, there's nothing to suggest the brand has reconsidered their position.
Acura has (so far) stuck with 6 model years for the RDX:
1st Gen:
07-09: 3 models
10-12: 3 MMC models
2nd Gen:
13-15: 3 models
16-18: 3 MMC models
3rd Gen:
19-21: 3 models
22-23 (24): 3 MMC models
Acura "might" shorten the 2024 model if they going to do something different for 2025 to hit the market sooner. At the same time, Acura could have a long run of the 2024, skip the 2025 RDX model year, and restart the 4th Gen RDX as 2026 early release model if they decide to change gears. There are a lot of auto manufacturers that have a wide selection of I.C.E., hybrid, PHEV, and/or BEV in the exact same size as the RDX. Acura had more than enough time to see where the market is going and make a course corrections.
Strangely enough they haven't said anything yet. Not expecting a new generation until 2025 though but weirdly enough you would expect the 2024's to be hitting dealer lots by now.
Would they even announce it? I'm thinking they'll just randomly update the website and then the cars will start showing up at the dealers. Now might be a little early, I was thinking August is more likely.
Hybrid! Time to move forward with a more fuel efficient RDX.
I wish. A PHEV RDX would be my dream car right now. Unfortunately, Acura is falling for the same bait as every other car company besides Toyota, who is the lone voice of reason in the auto industry right now it seems.
Would they even announce it? I'm thinking they'll just randomly update the website and then the cars will start showing up at the dealers. Now might be a little early, I was thinking August is more likely.
Sorry just to clarify the first part of my statement was about the 2025 next generation RDX. There hasn't been any test mules spotted and Acura has been silent. You would expect them to be very enthusiastic about what is their hottest segment vehicle.
The second part of my comment you are bang on, most likely rolling out silently in August-Septemberish.
I wish. A PHEV RDX would be my dream car right now. Unfortunately, Acura is falling for the same bait as every other car company besides Toyota, who is the lone voice of reason in the auto industry right now it seems.
Toyota is run by geniuses honestly. They have ICE/Hybrid/PHEV going simultaneously.
I wish. A PHEV RDX would be my dream car right now. Unfortunately, Acura is falling for the same bait as every other car company besides Toyota, who is the lone voice of reason in the auto industry right now it seems.
Honda was ahead of its time and made a hasty decision to scrap their "Sport Hybrid" systems. They'd be selling those in droves right now. Instead, Acura has the least fuel efficient line-up in the segment. What's worse is that, in the real world, most are getting substantially less than the advertised gas mileage. My supercharged V8 making literally twice the horsepower of the 3.0T gets slightly better gas mileage than a lot of Type-S's.
That said, Honda/Acura aren't really doing much but slapping their name on a GM product. That's really the whole reason they're coming out with an EV so quickly. Who knows, maybe for the next generation they'll revive the Sport Hybrids and follow Toyota's lead.
Honda was ahead of its time and made a hasty decision to scrap their "Sport Hybrid" systems. They'd be selling those in droves right now. Instead, Acura has the least fuel efficient line-up in the segment. What's worse is that, in the real world, most are getting substantially less than the advertised gas mileage. My supercharged V8 making literally twice the horsepower of the 3.0T gets slightly better gas mileage than a lot of Type-S's.
That said, Honda/Acura aren't really doing much but slapping their name on a GM product. That's really the whole reason they're coming out with an EV so quickly. Who knows, maybe for the next generation they'll revive the Sport Hybrids and follow Toyota's lead.
The crazy part is that the sport hybrid option was only $1500 more on the MDX so it literally doesn't even cost them that much to put it in. If it was a 5-10k premium I could maybe understand them not wanting to price out the RDX in the market, but it isn't. That's cheaper than the premium most common automakers charge for their hybrid trims and those trims are just your standard run of the mill atkinson hybrid. I don't know who the hell is running Acura HQ. They'd rather scrap all the money they wasted on developing platforms and engines to borrow a car from GM? What???
The GM Ultium partnership is just for 12-24 months. Honda has their own battery plant in Ohio going online in 2025 (probably MY 2026) with their own eArchitecture global platform. Is is also LG Chem just like Ultium so they can probably use lots of what they've learned fom GM.
I'm curious how much luxury and power they can put into a hybrid CRV, wonder if they can do enough to change plans and call it a 25 RDX.
Honda was ahead of its time and made a hasty decision to scrap their "Sport Hybrid" systems. They'd be selling those in droves right now. Instead, Acura has the least fuel efficient line-up in the segment. What's worse is that, in the real world, most are getting substantially less than the advertised gas mileage. My supercharged V8 making literally twice the horsepower of the 3.0T gets slightly better gas mileage than a lot of Type-S's.
That said, Honda/Acura aren't really doing much but slapping their name on a GM product. That's really the whole reason they're coming out with an EV so quickly. Who knows, maybe for the next generation they'll revive the Sport Hybrids and follow Toyota's lead.
Originally Posted by RDX10
The crazy part is that the sport hybrid option was only $1500 more on the MDX so it literally doesn't even cost them that much to put it in. If it was a 5-10k premium I could maybe understand them not wanting to price out the RDX in the market, but it isn't. That's cheaper than the premium most common automakers charge for their hybrid trims and those trims are just your standard run of the mill atkinson hybrid. I don't know who the hell is running Acura HQ. They'd rather scrap all the money they wasted on developing platforms and engines to borrow a car from GM? What???
I'm starting to think Acura makes decisions per the Magic 8 Ball!
The crazy part is that the sport hybrid option was only $1500 more on the MDX so it literally doesn't even cost them that much to put it in. If it was a 5-10k premium I could maybe understand them not wanting to price out the RDX in the market, but it isn't. That's cheaper than the premium most common automakers charge for their hybrid trims and those trims are just your standard run of the mill atkinson hybrid. I don't know who the hell is running Acura HQ. They'd rather scrap all the money they wasted on developing platforms and engines to borrow a car from GM? What???
The Sport Hybrid powertrain came in at around 400lbs; but, you subtract the +/- 200lbs for the mechanical sh-awd system to add the EV components. You ended up with a lower center of gravity, better weight distribution, improved handling regen braking+tq vectoring with ICE on or off, and the same city/combined/hwy mpgs. The Sport Hybrid system has been around since 2014 with the RLX and it has been long paid for, proven, concept copied by multiple manufacturers, easy 70hp/70tq, improved handling, and extremely economical at under $1500 (depending on supply chain issues and current inflation). The MSRP was $1500; but, I paid less than that in March of 2019 with all the normal vehicle discounts available per-pandemic (minimal of $5500 off MSRP for all gas/EV models during that time).
Acura could of just added the rear TMU (Twin Motor Unit, maybe an extra 35hp/35tq) to the +22 MDX with 10AT for those that need to tow up to 3500lbs. Being an old fart, I'm having PTSD flashbacks of Acura/Honda partnership with Isuzu for its first Honda passport/isuzu Oasis minivan, Honda Passport/Isuzu Rodeo, Acura SLX/Isuzu Trooper disasters.
I'm starting to think Acura makes decisions per the Magic 8 Ball!
Hahaha I think you're onto something here 🤣🤣🤣
Originally Posted by mrgold35
The Sport Hybrid powertrain came in at around 400lbs; but, you subtract the +/- 200lbs for the mechanical sh-awd system to add the EV components. You ended up with a lower center of gravity, better weight distribution, improved handling regen braking+tq vectoring with ICE on or off, and the same city/combined/hwy mpgs. The Sport Hybrid system has been around since 2014 with the RLX and it has been long paid for, proven, concept copied by multiple manufacturers, easy 70hp/70tq, improved handling, and extremely economical at under $1500 (depending on supply chain issues and current inflation). The MSRP was $1500; but, I paid less than that in March of 2019 with all the normal vehicle discounts available per-pandemic (minimal of $5500 off MSRP for all gas/EV models during that time).
Acura could of just added the rear TMU (Twin Motor Unit, maybe an extra 35hp/35tq) to the +22 MDX with 10AT for those that need to tow up to 3500lbs. Being an old fart, I'm having PTSD flashbacks of Acura/Honda partnership with Isuzu for its first Honda passport/isuzu Oasis minivan, Honda Passport/Isuzu Rodeo, Acura SLX/Isuzu Trooper disasters.
I totally agree with you here! The fuel economy of the latest MDX specifically is very disappointing. They could have EASILY boosted those numbers to make it close to class leading by implementing the sport hybrid tech. It would have made a dramatic difference and would have done nothing other than generate more interest. A lot of people these days are looking at hybrids due to fuel costs, why not increase the number of potential buyers?
I don't have access to AN but read the title: "MDX, RDX, TLX: Soon out of gas? Acura's MDX, RDX and TLX might be switching the automaker's new e: Architecture"
Is it possible that RDX will be full EV? That's one of the reasons we haven't seen any spy shots? And there will be a 2025 model, release date of fall 2024? Please share the article if any one has access to AN.
The RDX will be full EV at some point, but not next year. If the next all-new RDX does go full electric, I think at minimum we can expect another mid-cycle refresh of the current RDX to buy Acura another couple years at least. The last I heard the first Honda in-house products won't be available for preorder until 2025 with production starting in 2026. (And I would avoid them like the plague!)
Committing to firm cutover dates has the potential to backfire for all these brands claiming they're going to be 100% electric by 20xx. Evidence suggests some brands are starting to realize they've overcommitted. If I were running Acura, I'd launch an all-new ICE/hybrid RDX on schedule, then launch the electric version in three to four years and sell the models side-by side for a year or two. ICE and EV overlap is going to be the best way to satisfy as many customers as possible. Of course such a plan is easier said than done when each model requires its own point of assembly. Acura might want to do something like that, but it might not be logistically possible.
The ZDX is supposed to be a 2-row, so is likely the "alongside" EV model if Acura has a change of heart and releases an ICE/hybrid RDX for 4th gen.
Acura won't spend too much money if they really plan to be all-EV soon. I think CRV and Civic are the same platform: Wonder if there is enough physical space in a CRV to put the ITS engine (wo turbo) alongside the Civic Sport hybrid motors. That could reuse enough off the shelf stuff to make a Hybrid RDX not too expensive to engineer.
If this to be believed, we may not see the next Gen RDX, TLX and MDX in ICE unless, Acura goes with one more ICE gen for RDX, then switch to electric. But based on the ongoing TLX and MDX models, these might be the last gen...so enjoy!
Yes Acura was always supposed to go all EV alongside Cadillac, so this end of decade timing aligns with what Acura announced three years ago. But Acura never (publicly) forced dealers to install charging infrastructure like Cadillac did, which makes me think there was a change of heart. One early tell is if Acura forces charger installs when ZDX launches this winter.
The timing really made me think that Ultium was planned for the 4th gen RDX. And that something changed a couple years ago leading to ZDX being announced on its own. One way to read that AN article is that RDX would not go EV to cannibalize the ZDX, so RDX could be repivoted to a Hybrid. Likewise I think Integra may stay as ICE and/or Hybrid and let the TLX go EV, as little else separates those models. 3rd gen NSX is obviously going to be EV around the same time filling out the roster.
Yes Acura was always supposed to go all EV alongside Cadillac, so this end of decade timing aligns with what Acura announced three years ago. But Acura never (publicly) forced dealers to install charging infrastructure like Cadillac did, which makes me think there was a change of heart. One early tell is if Acura forces charger installs when ZDX launches this winter.
The timing really made me think that Ultium was planned for the 4th gen RDX. And that something changed a couple years ago leading to ZDX being announced on its own. One way to read that AN article is that RDX would not go EV to cannibalize the ZDX, so RDX could be repivoted to a Hybrid. Likewise I think Integra may stay as ICE and/or Hybrid and let the TLX go EV, as little else separates those models. 3rd gen NSX is obviously going to be EV around the same time filling out the roster.
The way I interpret the article and Acura's vision based on previous interviews:
1st/2nd Gen ZDX ( in Q1 of 2024 as 2025 model)
5th Gen MDX = EV (in Q2 of 2027 as 2028 model)
4th Gen RDX = Not very sure, but potentially, EV (in 2025 as 2026 model)
3rd Gen TLX = EV (in Q4 of 2026 as of 2027 model)
Interga will remain their ICE and maybe hybrid to attract people to Acura brand as it will be their cheapest car.
Lastly NSX = EV (2027/2028 for 2029 model)
This will complete the 2030 goal that Acura is talking!
Acura retracted on the earlier announcement that the Integra would be their last ICE introduction.
So I do think that an ADX (Acura HRV) is still likely in the mix and maybe even very soon. I could see the ADX as defensive to make sure the soccer mom MDX buyers get hooked on the brand prior to having kids: (eg: while the future parent is still a college student). Honda got 5 sales out of me (2 more older/traded in Hondas plus 3 Acuras still in my driveway), all because the 98 Civic I got in college was so fun and dependable.
The ZDX is supposed to be a 2-row, so is likely the "alongside" EV model if Acura has a change of heart and releases an ICE/hybrid RDX for 4th gen.
Acura won't spend too much money if they really plan to be all-EV soon. I think CRV and Civic are the same platform: Wonder if there is enough physical space in a CRV to put the ITS engine (wo turbo) alongside the Civic Sport hybrid motors. That could reuse enough off the shelf stuff to make a Hybrid RDX not too expensive to engineer.
With EV sales on a pretty unimpressive course at present, it will be interesting to see how the 'will be all EV by 2030...2035...whatever...' proclamations go as we close in those dates. We just bought a '23 ICE, and will by a '24 ICE soon. No EV's in site for me. I realize others feel different about that, but I am not sure you can shove this down peoples throats. This will be an interesting transition to watch unfold....
With EV sales on a pretty unimpressive course at present, it will be interesting to see how the 'will be all EV by 2030...2035...whatever...' proclamations go as we close in those dates. We just bought a '23 ICE, and will by a '24 ICE soon. No EV's in site for me. I realize others feel different about that, but I am not sure you can shove this down peoples throats. This will be an interesting transition to watch unfold....
Same here! Until there is no more ICE vehicle available, I won't be driving EV. I will stick to ICE for now and I don't believe in 2030 or 2035..Good luck!
The RDX will be full EV at some point, but not next year. If the next all-new RDX does go full electric, I think at minimum we can expect another mid-cycle refresh of the current RDX to buy Acura another couple years at least. The last I heard the first Honda in-house products won't be available for preorder until 2025 with production starting in 2026. (And I would avoid them like the plague!)
Committing to firm cutover dates has the potential to backfire for all these brands claiming they're going to be 100% electric by 20xx. Evidence suggests some brands are starting to realize they've overcommitted. If I were running Acura, I'd launch an all-new ICE/hybrid RDX on schedule, then launch the electric version in three to four years and sell the models side-by side for a year or two. ICE and EV overlap is going to be the best way to satisfy as many customers as possible. Of course such a plan is easier said than done when each model requires its own point of assembly. Acura might want to do something like that, but it might not be logistically possible.
This is exactly what I've been saying. Why the hell are they so hell bent on going full EV all of a sudden. Why not do it all? They went from being this sporty value brand in the 2000's to suddenly being all "earth dreams" and having hybrids in the mid 2010's, back to being the sporty value brand, and now they want to go completely EV??? Make it make sense because it definitely does not.
None of their vehicles deliver even acceptable fuel economy right now. They have this beautiful, wonderful, supercar inspired hybrid system that was a paltry $1500 premium AND delivered far superior power/fuel economy, AND far superior handling on and off throttle and they decide to completely ignore it??? Come on what the hell are they doing.
Get the hybrid stuff going for a while, get known as the efficiency sporty brand, THEN go EV.
This is exactly what I've been saying. Why the hell are they so hell bent on going full EV all of a sudden. Why not do it all? They went from being this sporty value brand in the 2000's to suddenly being all "earth dreams" and having hybrids in the mid 2010's, back to being the sporty value brand, and now they want to go completely EV??? Make it make sense because it definitely does not.
None of their vehicles deliver even acceptable fuel economy right now. They have this beautiful, wonderful, supercar inspired hybrid system that was a paltry $1500 premium AND delivered far superior power/fuel economy, AND far superior handling on and off throttle and they decide to completely ignore it??? Come on what the hell are they doing.
Get the hybrid stuff going for a while, get known as the efficiency sporty brand, THEN go EV.
Yep - fuel efficiency is generally awful. It makes what Mazda did with the CX-90 all that more impressive. (Too bad about its shortcomings.)
There is this misconception that people with the means to buy a premium or luxury car don't care about fuel economy. Maybe that's partially behind Acura's decisions? And then there are suggestions that at just a $1,500 premium, Acura had to be losing thousands on every MDX Sport Hybrid they sold. Regardless, I can't even bring myself to test drive an MDX Type S because I don't think I'd be able to live with the fuel economy. Not considering an Acura because of poor fuel economy ... who'da thunk it?
The fuel economy wouldn't be an issue at the gas prices when the TupeS was being planned (prob 2018-2020). My guess is Acura misjudged the election and assumed fuel would stay low which is why they killed the Hybrids, one of the pitfalls of auto leadtimes requiring planning products during one presidential term for sale during the next.
Even at these fuel prices, things like the massaging seats, air suspension, and HUD would have made me consider the Type S despite the wasted gas. But the touchpad made me cross it off the list as I use Android Auto too much to put up with it.
Will see what 2025 brings. At this point my primary barrier to an EV is convenience. As far as I can tell, the climate damage of a pack of batteries seems on par with a car's lifetime of gas. So it becomes only cost/convenience: EVs would have to be a $10k savings (after including costs of fuel) to put up with the hassle of having to plan your travels around their inconvenience. In my area they are still far more expensive due to us having the highest electric costs in the country, so there is a long way to go before an EV is reasonable for me.
Yep - fuel efficiency is generally awful. It makes what Mazda did with the CX-90 all that more impressive. (Too bad about its shortcomings.)
There is this misconception that people with the means to buy a premium or luxury car don't care about fuel economy. Maybe that's partially behind Acura's decisions? And then there are suggestions that at just a $1,500 premium, Acura had to be losing thousands on every MDX Sport Hybrid they sold. Regardless, I can't even bring myself to test drive an MDX Type S because I don't think I'd be able to live with the fuel economy. Not considering an Acura because of poor fuel economy ... who'da thunk it?
I can understand the misconception about wealthy people not caring about fuel economy, you always read things like "if they can afford car X they don't care about fuel economy". But I know a few wealthy people who A, got wealthy by making smart financial decisions and limiting losses, and B, are so busy going to meetings and appointments all day they don't want to be at the gas station filling up gas multiple times a week.
I've had cars that were horrendous on gas (think first generation Touareg V8 and MDX) and at that time gas was "cheap" at like $0.90-1.00/L and for me the cost of gas wasn't the difficulty, it was being at the gas station twice a week because I do/did a lot of urban ddriving. So now I had to go grab gas on the way home from a long day, or get up extra early to grab gas in the morning (worst idea ever btw haha).
I know a super super well off real-estate tycoon who only drives Lexus models because they got sick and tired of taking their BMW to the dealership. It's not a money thing, it's a time thing for a lot of people.
I am not sure about the losses with the MDX sport hybrid but they could have been smarter with it too. They took all that loss I'm assuming either to meet cafe requirements or potentially to market the drivetrain and then did what with it? Horrifically managed company IMO.
I am not sure about the losses with the MDX sport hybrid but they could have been smarter with it too. They took all that loss I'm assuming either to meet cafe requirements or potentially to market the drivetrain and then did what with it? Horrifically managed company IMO.
Acura had to take a huge hit with the MDX Sport Hybrid. It is around $7500 for the rear diff Twin Motor Unit and $15,000 for the 7DCT with electric motor/generator to replace. Not sure how the replacement cost of those two units compared to the 9AT and mechanical sh-awd systems? Factor in the cost for the DC inverter, battery pack, 3.0L Port V-6 with electric driven accessories, or EV specific hardware and software programing (different gas tank, larger front rotors, painted lower bumpers, secondary cooling system for DC inverter, extra ceiling mounted ELS speaker, etc...).
The 17-20 MDX Sport Hybrid would probably perform the same or maybe better than the Type-S MDX if Acura decided to use the 3.5L instead of the 3.0L engine for 377hp/341tq instead of 321hp/289tq.
Acura had to take a huge hit with the MDX Sport Hybrid. It is around $7500 for the rear diff Twin Motor Unit and $15,000 for the 7DCT with electric motor/generator to replace. Not sure how the replacement cost of those two units compared to the 9AT and mechanical sh-awd systems? Factor in the cost for the DC inverter, battery pack, 3.0L Port V-6 with electric driven accessories, or EV specific hardware and software programing (different gas tank, larger front rotors, painted lower bumpers, secondary cooling system for DC inverter, extra ceiling mounted ELS speaker, etc...).
The 17-20 MDX Sport Hybrid would probably perform the same or maybe better than the Type-S MDX if Acura decided to use the 3.5L instead of the 3.0L engine for 377hp/341tq instead of 321hp/289tq.
Wait the sport hybrid had roof mounted ELS speakers?! Cool! Do you have pics of them by chance? I thought the 3G RDX was the first vehicle with 3D ELS. Neat!
Wait the sport hybrid had roof mounted ELS speakers?! Cool! Do you have pics of them by chance? I thought the 3G RDX was the first vehicle with 3D ELS. Neat!
The 14-20 MDXs with the Entertainment package had and extra speaker mounted on the ceiling over the 2nd row seats. The Sport Hybrid Advance model didn't come with the Entertainment option; but, kept the center mounted ceiling speaker. It was just a single speaker and the ELS probably wasn't encoded for spatial audio effect. I think it was more of a center channel like the center speaker in the dash.
The 14-20 MDXs with the Entertainment package had and extra speaker mounted on the ceiling over the 2nd row seats. The Sport Hybrid Advance model didn't come with the Entertainment option; but, kept the center mounted ceiling speaker. It was just a single speaker and the ELS probably wasn't encoded for spatial audio effect. I think it was more of a center channel like the center speaker in the dash.
Thank you for the pic! Ahh gotcha! I guess it could be fair to say that this was Acura's stepping stone to roof mounted speakers? Also LOVE the interior color on your MDX!
2024 ?
07-14-2023, 01:33 PM
unless, Acura goes with one more ICE gen for RDX, then switch to electric. But based on the ongoing TLX and MDX models, these might be the last gen...so enjoy! 
and I don't believe in 2030 or 2035..Good luck!
