When things go wrong with car software upgrades....

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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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When things go wrong with car software upgrades....

you end up with a dead car.

I took my 09 TSX TECH AT to the dealer for its regular scheduled maintenance. Wanted to get the Pinging thing taken care of along with a laundry list of items.

I got a call later on in the day saying that something got f'ed up with the software upgrade and the ECU is blown and I wont have my car for the rest of the weekend (if part comes in Saturday then yeah i'll get it back tomorrow).

In the mean time I get to drive the fabulous RL with SH-AWD for the rest of the weekend. (prior gen, not current)

Loving life!

So who else had things go kauptnik
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 08:19 AM
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Wow, that really sucks! Hopefully it gets taken care of soon!

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So who else had things go kauptnik
I posted this in another thread but it seems very fitting here also:

Our entire system SUCKS and it is upsetting me to no end! I've had 4 speakers replaced, my driver's side tweeter and center channel speaker are now suddenly acting up, my XM note feature does not work which is indicating a bad module from the research I have done so far, and yesterday when the little voice came on to tell my what XM channel I was switching to, the system never reset from the voice and I only had sound coming out of the rear speakers.

Very, very disappointed w/ the quality so far...
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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haha base sound system ftw lol. jk.
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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Right ! that's just what the dealer is telling you, Tech took your car out for the night and now they are trying to figure out how to get the dead hooker smell out of the trunk.
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Dont get me started on the speakers. I have blown 3 this time, front right, two rear doors. Panasonic sucks in this one.

Oh what volume do you play at? What is the max volume for our systems?
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 03:15 PM
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I have very sensitive hearing so I don't need to play my sound system that loud at all, and it's usually around 10 or 11. That is what makes this even more frustrating for me because I am not even pushing the system...I'd hate to think what would happen if I did...
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGoodGuy
Dont get me started on the speakers. I have blown 3 this time, front right, two rear doors. Panasonic sucks in this one.

Oh what volume do you play at? What is the max volume for our systems?

Hi!
I am from Europe, Portugal and i also had 3 speakers replaced already!!!!!
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ESHBG
Wow, that really sucks! Hopefully it gets taken care of soon!


I posted this in another thread but it seems very fitting here also:

Our entire system SUCKS and it is upsetting me to no end! I've had 4 speakers replaced, my driver's side tweeter and center channel speaker are now suddenly acting up, my XM note feature does not work which is indicating a bad module from the research I have done so far, and yesterday when the little voice came on to tell my what XM channel I was switching to, the system never reset from the voice and I only had sound coming out of the rear speakers.

Very, very disappointed w/ the quality so far...
Same here. The driving aspect of the car is great (fortunately I have had no pinging issues), but the electronics have been a nightmare in the tech. Have had the driver's side speaker blown twice, driver's side tweeter, and now all other door speakers. My amplifier is now toast (in the shop having the amplifier and blown speaker replaced). I'd understand if I blasted the music with the windows down for everyone to hear, but I also usually have it set to around 10. Good volume but not crazy loud or anything. It should be able to handle much louder than that and still have no problems.

Have also had both windshield side moldings replaced multiple times.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Draconis77
the electronics have been a nightmare in the tech. Have had the driver's side speaker blown twice, driver's side tweeter, and now all other door speakers. My amplifier is now toast (in the shop having the amplifier and blown speaker replaced).
The fact that you have a dead amplifier is kind of making me think that maybe the problem lies in the amp and not the speakers. If an amplifier "clips" it will destroy the speakers regardless of how loud they're playing. Also remember that equalization plays a big part in how much power you're demanding from the amplifier.

For example, if your playing your system at moderate levels but have the equalization on the bass or subwoofer set to +5 you're asking for the amplifier to deliver at least two times more than its rated power. So we could be seeing a combination of things. There is quite possibly a bad run a speakers, or maybe a bad run of amplifiers, or a combination of all three.
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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Damn, Draconis77, on one hand I am happy that there is someone else having the same exact issues because then it shows me it is not just my car. But on the other, I hate the fact that someone else has to go through my nightmare also...

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The fact that you have a dead amplifier is kind of making me think that maybe the problem lies in the amp and not the speakers. If an amplifier "clips" it will destroy the speakers regardless of how loud they're playing. Also remember that equalization plays a big part in how much power you're demanding from the amplifier.

For example, if your playing your system at moderate levels but have the equalization on the bass or subwoofer set to +5 you're asking for the amplifier to deliver at least two times more than its rated power. So we could be seeing a combination of things. There is quite possibly a bad run a speakers, or maybe a bad run of amplifiers, or a combination of all three.
I've said the same thing and now with this whole "dead module" possibility in my car, it seems like something is horribly awry with the makeup of the sound system vs. just poorly designed speakers. I mean come on, how could one have a blown speaker here, then one there, then one there...and then suddenly tweeter issues?!?
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Old Dec 23, 2009 | 10:08 PM
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I mean come on, how could one have a blown speaker here, then one there, then one there...and then suddenly tweeter issues?!?
It really sounds like you're experiencing clipping. I found an explanation of what is happening (http://www.axiomaudio.com/power.html):

If a sound gets louder by 3 decibels or "slightly louder," it takes twice as much electrical power from your receiver or amp to produce that modest increase. Therefore, a 100-watt amplifier will produce sound only slightly louder than a 50-watt amplifier.

So far, so good. But what if it's party time, and you're listening to music "very loud," a level defined as about 90 dB Sound Pressure Level (SPL), and your speakers are gobbling up swings of 15 to 20 watts per channel on those musical peaks.

Drink in hand, you advance to the volume control on your receiver thinking, "I'll just crank this up to make the music twice as loud," and you turn up the volume control until there's a 10 dB increase in the sound level. Now your party-time goal of "twice as loud" will make huge electrical demands on your nice little multi-channel receiver or power amp. The receiver must deliver ten times as much power to double the subjective loudness. Between 6 dB and 10 dB is double the volume level, where 6 dB is four times the power and 10 dB is 10 times the power. In the aforementioned example, the amp must produce 150 to 200 watts per channel for those peaks in loudness. Therefore, every 10-dB increase in acoustic loudness--from 80 dB to 90 dB, or 90 dB to 100 dB--requires ten times as much electrical power in watts.

That's all very well if you have a monster amplifier or multi-channel A/V receiver with huge reserves of power output (most of us don't). If not, watch out. Your receiver or amp may "clip" or distort (or both), which will put a clamp on the output of the amp. When you push your amplifier into overload or "clipping," several things may happen. First, the top and bottom of the waveforms (representing the audio signals) are clipped off, generating distortion. Next, the amplifier's protection circuits are activated, removing those portions of the signal that are causing the overload, generating distortion. And finally, the amplifier's power supply may fluctuate according to the demands of the music signals.
As I mentioned, you do not have to have it really cranked up to make the amp clip. A little EQ either at the ipod or head unit will suffice (hopefully not both!). If (for example), the +3 on the bass control represents 3db, (not saying it does) it would mean that the amp now needs to deliver twice the power at that frequency. If it's already near it's limits, it could clip. The irregular voltage will damage the speakers and might explain some of the problems. If the amp is 'iffy' it would amplify (no pun intended) the issue.
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 08:38 AM
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Hmm you may be onto something for sure, Colin.
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 09:41 AM
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Does 2010 have the same speaker issues? This sounds pretty bad for such a nice car.

Anyways, about the ECU upgrade, I think company should have better solution, so that it doesn't just die in the middle.
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Old Dec 25, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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From my experience and from reading around the forums the blown speaker phenomenon seems limited to only early model first year builds, like March-August build dates, 2008.
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Old Dec 26, 2009 | 01:57 PM
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So I wanted to give an update after the software update:

There is no more pinging sound (if any its very little), it accelerates faster, the tranny computer shifts better, holds gears better too. It does an instant downshift now with the paddles and feels SO much better. I can hold upto 6000rpm in D mode before it shifts up. Overall its a wonderful upgrade!
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Old Dec 28, 2009 | 08:44 AM
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mm i play my speakers around 26 to 38 .. 40 is the max depending on wahts playing on my ipod, Usually rather loud.. I didn't have any speakers blow untill recently ( been a year ) but now that one blew.. they're all starting to blow..
When I got the ping fix, it causes my car to stutter from a start when accellerating moderately, unless i'm flooring it. My engine is louder but there is no pinging, and my car jerks around when I let it idle in 2nd gear, not only 1st anymore.. oh well right?

The jerking stops if i just let it ride out, and the stuttering I can't really do anything about hope it goes away I suppose, and the loudness, so be it
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Old Dec 29, 2009 | 12:29 AM
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1 and half year, no blown speaker(s) yet. Base here though.
i swear if my speakers ever blow i'm gonna switch the whole sound system to Alpine/JL lol.
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