The Official 2009 TSX Thread **Unvelied in NY**
#121
Originally Posted by wackura
I think the RDX and MDX look interesting, the RDX less so. The sales might suck but I give them a lot of credit for trying and not giving us something safe and bland. I'm hoping for as much with the next TSX but the overall shape, with or without the tape, looks stale.
#122
One neat thing about the Sports 4 concept that didn't come through in the tourer concept was the windshield that came right up to the driver's forehead for what I read is a bubble car feel. I bet the visibilty would be awesome. The Citroen C4 has such a windshield. I'm disapointed that Honda threw that out there but aparently didn't make good on it. Isn't more glass a little closer to a convertible? Am I missing something? (don't bother mentioning the heat factor)
#123
I love the full mirror roof. I was amaze when I saw that on the Sport4. I hope they would integrate that into the next gen.
I also don't like the look of our current seat headrest. It's so big and tall. I love the square shape on the back and circle looking in the front just like most mercedes cars.
I also don't like the look of our current seat headrest. It's so big and tall. I love the square shape on the back and circle looking in the front just like most mercedes cars.
#124
Originally Posted by wackura
Isn't more glass a little closer to a convertible? Am I missing something? (don't bother mentioning the heat factor)
#125
Been following this thread for a bit now...Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to agree with you guys, I really do think those recent spy shots from Priddy are indeed the new TSX....
Reasoning: Looking back at all the previous spy pics, each and every time I saw an Acura/Honda that was testing on city streets, it turned out to be the EXACT production version, just under some tape. At the "testing on city streets" stage, Honda seems to be virtually at production.
The S2000/NSX mule was caught at the Nurburgring, not on city streets. Probably just testing its handling/performance abilities.
The only other time I've seen a spy pic of a vehicle on streets that wasn't the actual production model, it was the MDX/CR-V/Pilot mishmash car that was testing on some street in the middle of the desert....
Overall, I think tape does little to conceal the actual shape of the car. Just try viewing the car in B&W and you'll get the general idea. I might eat my words when the production version is shown at Geneva in March, but I have a gut feeling this is it people....
Reasoning: Looking back at all the previous spy pics, each and every time I saw an Acura/Honda that was testing on city streets, it turned out to be the EXACT production version, just under some tape. At the "testing on city streets" stage, Honda seems to be virtually at production.
The S2000/NSX mule was caught at the Nurburgring, not on city streets. Probably just testing its handling/performance abilities.
The only other time I've seen a spy pic of a vehicle on streets that wasn't the actual production model, it was the MDX/CR-V/Pilot mishmash car that was testing on some street in the middle of the desert....
Overall, I think tape does little to conceal the actual shape of the car. Just try viewing the car in B&W and you'll get the general idea. I might eat my words when the production version is shown at Geneva in March, but I have a gut feeling this is it people....
#126
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I don't think they are the new tsx.
they hid the tsx chasis in an accord body last year, i think honda is just throwing people off.
Maybe their taking parts of cars now and making us guess more and more you can look at the tire stance that it is the tsx underneath. The butt looks more like a small tl back, but it just might be another shell.
they hid the tsx chasis in an accord body last year, i think honda is just throwing people off.
Maybe their taking parts of cars now and making us guess more and more you can look at the tire stance that it is the tsx underneath. The butt looks more like a small tl back, but it just might be another shell.
#127
They don't mold entirely new car bodies just to serve as a test mule. That taped up car doesn't resemble anything currently available. Any changes that have yet to come will surely be very small. The next TSX will look very much like that funny little car, and because of this fact my next car will probably not look like an Acura.
#128
Originally Posted by wackura
They don't mold entirely new car bodies just to serve as a test mule. That taped up car doesn't resemble anything currently available. Any changes that have yet to come will surely be very small. The next TSX will look very much like that funny little car, and because of this fact my next car will probably not look like an Acura.
Great, maybe you'll stop postin' here.....
#130
Originally Posted by 5thTo2nd
Been following this thread for a bit now...Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to agree with you guys, I really do think those recent spy shots from Priddy are indeed the new TSX....
Reasoning: Looking back at all the previous spy pics, each and every time I saw an Acura/Honda that was testing on city streets, it turned out to be the EXACT production version, just under some tape. At the "testing on city streets" stage, Honda seems to be virtually at production.
The S2000/NSX mule was caught at the Nurburgring, not on city streets. Probably just testing its handling/performance abilities.
The only other time I've seen a spy pic of a vehicle on streets that wasn't the actual production model, it was the MDX/CR-V/Pilot mishmash car that was testing on some street in the middle of the desert....
Overall, I think tape does little to conceal the actual shape of the car. Just try viewing the car in B&W and you'll get the general idea. I might eat my words when the production version is shown at Geneva in March, but I have a gut feeling this is it people....
Reasoning: Looking back at all the previous spy pics, each and every time I saw an Acura/Honda that was testing on city streets, it turned out to be the EXACT production version, just under some tape. At the "testing on city streets" stage, Honda seems to be virtually at production.
The S2000/NSX mule was caught at the Nurburgring, not on city streets. Probably just testing its handling/performance abilities.
The only other time I've seen a spy pic of a vehicle on streets that wasn't the actual production model, it was the MDX/CR-V/Pilot mishmash car that was testing on some street in the middle of the desert....
Overall, I think tape does little to conceal the actual shape of the car. Just try viewing the car in B&W and you'll get the general idea. I might eat my words when the production version is shown at Geneva in March, but I have a gut feeling this is it people....
#131
Originally Posted by lcrazyaznl
I don't think they are the new tsx.
they hid the tsx chasis in an accord body last year, i think honda is just throwing people off.
they hid the tsx chasis in an accord body last year, i think honda is just throwing people off.
Personally, I don't see why Honda would care about "throwing people off".......as long as the car is taped up, I think they're happy. IMO the only time they would bother to put together old body parts (a la S2000/NSX), is early on in the development when a final body might not have yet been fully developed....
#132
Originally Posted by 5thTo2nd
lcrazyaznl, do you have a link to those pics? I've searched months and months of old vtec.net threads and couldn't find anything...(I know, I'm a bit obsessed at this point.) I wouldn't care so much if I actually liked the car in the spy pics.
Personally, I don't see why Honda would care about "throwing people off".......as long as the car is taped up, I think they're happy. IMO the only time they would bother to put together old body parts (a la S2000/NSX), is early on in the development when a final body might not have yet been fully developed....
Personally, I don't see why Honda would care about "throwing people off".......as long as the car is taped up, I think they're happy. IMO the only time they would bother to put together old body parts (a la S2000/NSX), is early on in the development when a final body might not have yet been fully developed....
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=687615
[ http://www.hondata.com/reflash_rdx.html
Between these two articles, one of the Hondata reflash which added 26hp and 33 lb-ft of torque to the 2.3T. The other shows that it can also be pushed to the 300hp mark and over 300 lb-ft of torque. If Honda/Acura is planning on truly taking on the competition in the entry lux division, they have to offer more than just an average vehicle. With the EVO X becoming more of a true sport sedan in its new incarnation, along with the WRX STI gaining more horsepower and interior upgrades--Acura has to step up its game. BMW adds the 1-series to it's lineup, although not in the same class, it could also strip sales from the TSX which already has several top rivals. So if this is the final product Acura may keep existing customers but it will lose any newcomers that didn't like the current design.
#133
Originally Posted by archknight
You actually just hit the nail on head, so to speak, it still early in the development stage. As we all know, when it comes to automobiles Honda is notorious for perfecting their product before releasing it. There is a lot of time before the Geneva Auto Show, where the production versions of the Euro Accord/Accord Tourer will be revealed to the world.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=687615
[ http://www.hondata.com/reflash_rdx.html
Between these two articles, one of the Hondata reflash which added 26hp and 33 lb-ft of torque to the 2.3T. The other shows that it can also be pushed to the 300hp mark and over 300 lb-ft of torque. If Honda/Acura is planning on truly taking on the competition in the entry lux division, they have to offer more than just an average vehicle. With the EVO X becoming more of a true sport sedan in its new incarnation, along with the WRX STI gaining more horsepower and interior upgrades--Acura has to step up its game. BMW adds the 1-series to it's lineup, although not in the same class, it could also strip sales from the TSX which already has several top rivals. So if this is the final product Acura may keep existing customers but it will lose any newcomers that didn't like the current design.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...icle_id=687615
[ http://www.hondata.com/reflash_rdx.html
Between these two articles, one of the Hondata reflash which added 26hp and 33 lb-ft of torque to the 2.3T. The other shows that it can also be pushed to the 300hp mark and over 300 lb-ft of torque. If Honda/Acura is planning on truly taking on the competition in the entry lux division, they have to offer more than just an average vehicle. With the EVO X becoming more of a true sport sedan in its new incarnation, along with the WRX STI gaining more horsepower and interior upgrades--Acura has to step up its game. BMW adds the 1-series to it's lineup, although not in the same class, it could also strip sales from the TSX which already has several top rivals. So if this is the final product Acura may keep existing customers but it will lose any newcomers that didn't like the current design.
#134
Originally Posted by archknight
There is a lot of time before the Geneva Auto Show, where the production versions of the Euro Accord/Accord Tourer will be revealed to the world.
Originally Posted by archknight
If Honda/Acura is planning on truly taking on the competition in the entry lux division, they have to offer more than just an average vehicle. With the EVO X becoming more of a true sport sedan in its new incarnation, along with the WRX STI gaining more horsepower and interior upgrades--Acura has to step up its game.
I think Acura will always offer a more than average vehicle. Just look at what they offer as standard equipment compared to others in the class. Rather than compare with the EVO X, STI and 1 series, I actually think they have some legit competition in the likes of the new MB C300/C350 and new Caddy CTS....I have to admit I took more than a couple looks at those as a "just in case" the new TSX doesn't pan out.
#136
Originally Posted by 5thTo2nd
Yup, waaaaay too much time! I can't seem to wait even a couple hours...
Arch,
I think Acura will always offer a more than average vehicle. Just look at what they offer as standard equipment compared to others in the class. Rather than compare with the EVO X, STI and 1 series, I actually think they have some legit competition in the likes of the new MB C300/C350 and new Caddy CTS....I have to admit I took more than a couple looks at those as a "just in case" the new TSX doesn't pan out.
Arch,
I think Acura will always offer a more than average vehicle. Just look at what they offer as standard equipment compared to others in the class. Rather than compare with the EVO X, STI and 1 series, I actually think they have some legit competition in the likes of the new MB C300/C350 and new Caddy CTS....I have to admit I took more than a couple looks at those as a "just in case" the new TSX doesn't pan out.
#138
Originally Posted by B K R
Is it just me or does anyone else alos think that the front lights and side profile looks exactly like the current TSX
#140
Originally Posted by zainxxl69
Just talk to my salesman at the Acura dealer...he said Acura is coming out with 3 new models. A 4 dr tsx, a 2 dr tsx, and i forgot the other. i think it was NSX?
Originally Posted by archknight
I agree that they offer more standard equipment 5thTo2nd, but equipment isn't all ways what seals the deal. You have to consider that the competitors also offer what the TSX lacks, mostly horsepower and RWD. Acura is compensating by adding SH-AWD on it's Type-S, but remember this is the top model and the competition is giving you not just comparable standard equipment but engines that pushing close to if not more than 300hp.
#141
Originally Posted by 5thTo2nd
TSX sedan, TSX coupe, and TL
I know what you're saying. I'm actually not concerned about the Type S--I think that'll pack a punch (but at a price, of course). I just hope they don't water down the base version too much. So much of the current gen's appeal, at least for me, comes from the value factor. I'm hoping that Acura's move upmarket doesn't alienate those that were looking to Acura for affordable entry-luxury.
I know what you're saying. I'm actually not concerned about the Type S--I think that'll pack a punch (but at a price, of course). I just hope they don't water down the base version too much. So much of the current gen's appeal, at least for me, comes from the value factor. I'm hoping that Acura's move upmarket doesn't alienate those that were looking to Acura for affordable entry-luxury.
#144
Maybe this will change your mind about the next TSX
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...uro-acura-tsx/
Tail lights are different than one from Ohio
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...uro-acura-tsx/
Tail lights are different than one from Ohio
#145
Originally Posted by CarbonGrayTSX06
Maybe this will change your mind about the next TSX
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...uro-acura-tsx/
Tail lights are different than one from Ohio
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...uro-acura-tsx/
Tail lights are different than one from Ohio
#146
Im sorry too but I know for fact that is not TL because TL is made in USA they dont sell TL in Europe, as far I know it only in China. RL are known as Legend, TSX are known as Accord and only made in Japan, MDX made in Canada so I'm guess it will be more to TSX than TL
#147
yeah... the TL is made in the US and only sold in the US AFAIK... would be itneresting to see if this is it or not... until they fully release it tho noone can state with authority that either picture (if any) is actually that of the next gen TSX
#148
Motorauthority is PROBABLY wrong
Chris Doane, the guy who snapped the pics, says Motorauthority is wrong:
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=712986
Jeff, the head guy at Temple of Vtec, swears that the motorauthority pics are 100% the TL.
So from a credibility standpoint, it looks highly unlikely that those pics from motorauthority are the TSX.
Cars can be tested anywhere regardless of what home market they are destined for. It doesn't matter that the TL isn't sold in Europe.
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=712986
Jeff, the head guy at Temple of Vtec, swears that the motorauthority pics are 100% the TL.
So from a credibility standpoint, it looks highly unlikely that those pics from motorauthority are the TSX.
Cars can be tested anywhere regardless of what home market they are destined for. It doesn't matter that the TL isn't sold in Europe.
#150
Originally Posted by CarbonGrayTSX06
Im sorry too but I know for fact that is not TL because TL is made in USA they dont sell TL in Europe, as far I know it only in China. RL are known as Legend, TSX are known as Accord and only made in Japan, MDX made in Canada so I'm guess it will be more to TSX than TL
#152
Originally Posted by wackura
One of the two cars had two pairs of rectangular exhausts and the other had two circular exhausts. It's pretty obvious which is which.
Yeah but the bumper is cut in a square/oval type shape. I think the tail pipes are just dummies and not the real shape.
#155
Originally Posted by xenonhid
Either way, both of those spy shots are fugly IMO. I was hoping for a swelled front and rear fenders like the BMW M3.
Looks like a crappy Camry or a Maxima now.......
Looks like a crappy Camry or a Maxima now.......
#156
Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I think its funny that some people think the TOV guy knows any more than we do....
#157
Originally Posted by TSX420J
Yeah but the bumper is cut in a square/oval type shape. I think the tail pipes are just dummies and not the real shape.
#158
I believe
I believe this is the new TSX also, but it looks good. The side moldings actually flare out and are not flush like the current generation. I own an 04 TL and the rear quarter panel of this looks similar. Also the back looks alot like an IS, the only thing I see dissapointing is the lack of a center headrest in the rear. To me that makes a car look more classy, but I think this will be on par with all other entry level cars especially if they keep the chrome that the last generation displayed.
#159
Originally Posted by 5thTo2nd
That's the first convincing argument I've heard till now that suggests this might not be the final product. Those pipes definitely look out of place in those cut-outs. Nice observation!
Thanks..
#160
Testing
Sorry to you but this is the TL, look at the size diferance. plus it was testing in Germany the MDx is built here but it tested in Germany. The car is covered who cares if it's not sold in Europe, they just want the driving dynamics to be right.
Originally Posted by CarbonGrayTSX06
Im sorry too but I know for fact that is not TL because TL is made in USA they dont sell TL in Europe, as far I know it only in China. RL are known as Legend, TSX are known as Accord and only made in Japan, MDX made in Canada so I'm guess it will be more to TSX than TL