2011 TSX Sports Wagon Review (After 3 Months of Ownership)

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Old May 18, 2012 | 09:18 AM
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Just so that it's cross referenced, it might be helpful to show threads on info to correct what wrongs the wagon has right now.

SUSPENSION

SWAY BAR INSTALL

BRAKE UPGRADES

Lest I forget this...
STRETCHED LEATHER SOLUTION 1
STRETCHED LEATHER SOLUTION 2

Lack of power? I guess we're limited to P2R throttle body spacer, cold air induction, and underdrive pulleys. Am I missing anything there?

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Old May 18, 2012 | 12:14 PM
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PPower,
Thanks sooo much for the sway bar input. I've got one other small project ot complete on my antique, but super sweet, super clean "99" JEEP Cherokee and then after your comments...Swaybar time and $$$!
I think your 10% ethanol is the or "a" mpg. In Colorado, we go 10% in the winter time and my mileage always drops. Thanks again for the good words.
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Old May 18, 2012 | 09:48 PM
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Funny you mention this, I had a similar experience as you some years back. I'd been driving a Bugatti Veyron, Rolls Royce Phantom, and Bentley Continental GT. Sure, they were great cars, but they came with alot of baggage. Jesus Christ almighty, you'd think a guy could drive one down to the regatta gala without sea gulls crapping all over it, but you'd be wrong. And I couldn't even fully enjoy being fellated by the Victoria's Secret models the cars afforded me, because the whole time I was worried about getting some on the center console. So I decided to simplify things by significantly downgrading to a rather pedestrian MB E63 AMG.

The car was a huge piece of junk compared to what I was used to, which I made a point of telling all my new MB discussion forum cronies, but they shouldn't feel bad about driving one, because, I was sure that if they applied themselves, they could probably find a worse car out there somewhere. And for me, it wasn't all bad; those Sunday Kohl's lingerie ad models I reduced myself to may not have been as smoking hot as the Victoria's Secret models, but their relatively plebeian looks made it such that they were more eager to go the extra mile to please a guy. And if things got a little sloppy with them, hey, it wasn't the end of the world, after all, this was just a Mercedes.

At one point I felt a little bad, like maybe the guys on the MB forum would feel like I was really talking down to them and their crappy cars, but then I decided that these bourgeois savages were probably way too stupid to even realize when they were being shat on...

Welcome, fellow TSX SW compatriot! I've been enjoying mine, if only because I'm too ignorant to know any better. And in case it's not completely obvious, I'm only about 20-40% serious in my rant here.

Originally Posted by turning japanese
Acura newbie here.

I just bought a 2012 technology package two days ago. The build date of the car was March 2012.

I'm basically the same demographic as the OP who started this thread, although a few years older and no kids.

Here's something I need to get out of the way first: I came from a Mercedes E63 AMG. A $96k car with 507 hp and 465 foot pounds of torque from a 6.2 liter motor. I also have two Porsches: a 997 C2S and a 993 C4S. My wife has an older BMW 330i and a late model Porsche Cayman S.

I wanted an all around everyday kind of car with utility, and yet the same sort of electronic and comfort amenities that I'm used to having. No kids, so the rear seat space is no issue. The SO drives her own cars so there was no need for her to like it or not, it is for me. I also wanted something safe and reliable and not to worry about. I didn't want a car that owned me. I also didn't want a car that was pretentious and all about the badge. I chose not to consider the BMW or Audi wagons for those reasons. I did not want a high maintenance car. I wanted something I could depend on every day and not have to be concerned about life's inevitable door dings and rock chips, etc.. With an overpriced German performance car, sometimes those sorts of things can fill you up with anxiety and make you insane.

Okay, now that that's out of the way, the car is waaaaay SLOW and has poor brakes and is noisy and has wonky handling and is full of typical FWD understeer.

But wait…….

I knew all that going in. And of course I can't compare a $96k German performance car to a $35k Japanese Honda. But you know something, this isn't a bad car. It's not a bad car at all. It's practical and sensible. 30 mpg? Holy oil baron, Batman! That's pretty amazing to somebody like me who's been a wasteful scoundrel all their life. Slow, yes. But peppy? Absolutely. And at least now I'm not a douche bag on the road (the AMG was an Autobahn beast, a German muscle car.) And nobody will hate me or want to follow me so they can key my car. Nor do I have to always be on high alert for cops and speed traps.

This isn't a bad little car. I'm actually pretty impressed. And the sound system is much better than anything found in a Mercedes (although the Benz can also play DVD-A which always sound delicious.) I can rack up the miles without worrying about massive maintenance costs, or massive depreciation. It's really a no-brainer if one wants a safe and reliable wagon with decent amenities and a pleasant finish to it. And without the cachet of the German badges and all the stereotyping that comes with that (this is my first Japanese car.)

And yes, I agree that it needs a keyless option. And yes, ideally a diesel with gobs of torque and AWD and a 7-speed would make it perfect. At least in my universe. But it's really quite fine the way it is, and shouldn't be overlooked by anybody wanting a wagon in this segment (which consists only of the Acura, Audi, BMW, and a fugly Cadillac.)

p.s., good to hear about rear sway bar option. I'm also going to see about installing better/bigger rotors (depending on wheel sizing and what will fit.) At least the performance add-ons for the TSX don't cost outrageous sums of dollars.
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Old May 20, 2012 | 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ceb
Well, being older with no kids puts you into a different demographic unless you just meant that you are human

That said, I also come from a long line of overengineered German cars and agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post.
You're correct about the demographics. How about just the same age bracket and same species.

Originally Posted by PPower
Just so that it's cross referenced, it might be helpful to show threads on info to correct what wrongs the wagon has right now.

SUSPENSION

SWAY BAR INSTALL

BRAKE UPGRADES

Lest I forget this...
STRETCHED LEATHER SOLUTION 1
STRETCHED LEATHER SOLUTION 2

Lack of power? I guess we're limited to P2R throttle body spacer, cold air induction, and underdrive pulleys. Am I missing anything there?
Thank you. I need to try to correct the suspension on this chassis. Lack of power I'm actually appreciating as it keeps me from being my usual jerk-off self on the road. It's like having reverse training wheels or something. And thanks for the stretched leather link. That also answers the 'no adjustable bolsters' issue, too.

Originally Posted by scheißterhöffer
Funny you mention this, I had a similar experience as you some years back. I'd been driving a Bugatti Veyron, Rolls Royce Phantom, and Bentley Continental GT. Sure, they were great cars, but they came with alot of baggage. Jesus Christ almighty, you'd think a guy could drive one down to the regatta gala without sea gulls crapping all over it, but you'd be wrong. And I couldn't even fully enjoy being fellated by the Victoria's Secret models the cars afforded me, because the whole time I was worried about getting some on the center console. So I decided to simplify things by significantly downgrading to a rather pedestrian MB E63 AMG.

The car was a huge piece of junk compared to what I was used to, which I made a point of telling all my new MB discussion forum cronies, but they shouldn't feel bad about driving one, because, I was sure that if they applied themselves, they could probably find a worse car out there somewhere. And for me, it wasn't all bad; those Sunday Kohl's lingerie ad models I reduced myself to may not have been as smoking hot as the Victoria's Secret models, but their relatively plebeian looks made it such that they were more eager to go the extra mile to please a guy. And if things got a little sloppy with them, hey, it wasn't the end of the world, after all, this was just a Mercedes.

At one point I felt a little bad, like maybe the guys on the MB forum would feel like I was really talking down to them and their crappy cars, but then I decided that these bourgeois savages were probably way too stupid to even realize when they were being shat on...

Welcome, fellow TSX SW compatriot! I've been enjoying mine, if only because I'm too ignorant to know any better. And in case it's not completely obvious, I'm only about 20-40% serious in my rant here.
Ignorance can often be bliss. Consider yourself lucky. I was told that the unwashed masses have a sense of humor. I guess they have to given their lot in life.

Seriously, great post. I loved it. And also in seriousness, my initial post was partly a reaction to a thread I saw here a few days before I bought the car. It had something to do with nobody buying a TSX (or Acura) if they had the funds to buy anything. I pretty much have those funds (well, maybe not for a Maybach) but I wanted to show that it's not always the case that one just buys the most expensive (and usually the least practical) brand of transportation. I really wanted something very practical and not ostentatious. The TSX SW Tech package was a viable option.

I put some miles on the SW yesterday and today. It's a good little car (that's a term of endearment ) A few things I dislike. I don't like the seats. I think the interior seat material (cushioning) is not the best quality and the lumbar isn't the inflatable type. Instead it feels like a hard plastic ball sticking into one of my vertebrae. Also there are two seams across the seat back that are very stiff. The lower one irritates my back. It's very hard. Hopefully it might soften up and stretch over time.

The other issue are the headlights. The projector is not the 'shutter type' nor are they corner activated. The latter part is no real issue, but the HIDs are not very bright and don't increase in intensity when you use the high beams (like the ones with opening and closing shutters.) The cutoff is very abrupt and the halogen high beams are weak.

I'd like to see a keyless stand alone option available. Keyless is something you can really get addicted to. Also the motor sounds kind of like a John Deer tractor. But I like the high compression (which I assume is why you have to use premium fuel) and so it has very decent acceleration for real world driving. It kind of reminds me of a Volvo S60 I used to have that had an inline 5 cylinder motor (same engine sound.)

It's a good car, despite the shortcomings. I personally think it's a better bang for the buck than the usual Audi, BMW (although the Germans do know how to make good seats.)

And the ELS system kind of makes up for a lot of what's not there. It's better than the Bowers & Wilkins in Jaguars and the B&O in the AMG SLS. It's actually one of the better factory systems I've heard. The only thing better is probably the Burmester in the Porsches or the Naim in Bentleys. That's saying a lot considering the price of those cars. And the electronic amenities (including nav) in the Acura are better than the Germans.

btw, my dealership has been great and the buying experience was actually pleasant. I can't say as much about most of the Mercedes dealerships.
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Old May 30, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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My previous cars were European, so I understand your point of views. (2001 BMW 740i Sport, 1999 528i Sport Touring, 2000 Land Rover Discovery Series II x2). I was a regular on the their message boads/forums under the same name. I love my Wagon, err... Touring.

No "check engine light" warnings!
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Old May 30, 2012 | 12:22 PM
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I too own a SW. But from the point of view of a poor sap like myself who has owned nothing but cheap plebian cars, the TSX is the best car in the world. Enjoy the car for what it is.
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Old Jun 6, 2012 | 11:19 AM
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In cleaning up my office, I found a print I once picked up at the Acura dealer from Winding Road comparing the TSX wagon to the 328i wagon. Given that a couple of us come from European cars, I figure this is fitting here:

http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...-sports-wagon/

Two wagons—the 2011 Acura TSX Sport Wagon and the BMW 328i Sports Wagon—both are based on sedans. Both are luxury sport brands, one from Germany, and one from Japan. They are nearly identical in weight and cargo space, and, in this instance, they both are capable of shifting through the gears without any driver interference. They each have a lot of clout, whether dynamically or aesthetically, and they similar in price. In concept, despite their countries of origin, these two offer a lot in common to a buyer. But when we begin to take a closer look, the differences emerge.



The 328i’s 3.0-liter inline-six makes 230 horsepower and 200 pound-feet of torque, directed to the rear wheels. In our tester, gears were changed via a six-speed automatic transmission with steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. On paper, the TSX wagon is at an immediate disadvantage to the more powerful BMW. The Acura’s inline four-cylinder engine displaces 2.4 liters, and makes 201 horsepower and 170 pound-feet of torque. Its automatic transmission can also be controlled via paddles at the wheel, but the driver has one fewer cog with which to work. Furthermore, the power goes to the front wheels, something the more hardcore enthusiasts may (and do) gripe about.

The engines sounds are so different, it’s as though they’re speaking different languages. The Acura has a sinister, canine growl at idle. It sounds somewhat shrill as the revs climb, and opens up into a great howl when pushed past 3500 up to its 7100-rpm redline. It changes in tone as it comes to life, and sounds almost like it is consciously trying to communicate with you. How Acura’s parent company Honda manages consistently to extract these chilling screams from these pieces of metal using air, electricity, and petroleum is excellent, and we almost feel like Dr. Frankenstein animating Peter Boyle his terrible monster whenever we wring one of these motors out. And it never gets old.

BMW’s straight-six, however, is a different beast. If the TSX’s engine sounds like Kavik the wolf dog, the 328i’s powerplant sounds like ED209 from Robocop (you know, the intimidating, high-tech security robot). It sounds more robust and powerful down low, and higher up in the rev range, it gives off an eerie mechanical whine on top of the regular engine noise, almost as if it operated under some sort of forced induction. Think of a minigun spooling up before firing, and you’ve got the idea. This engine, as cleanly solid as it feels, has got a lot of character. Keeping this one on boil, too, never gets old.

The Steptronic six-speed transmission in the 3-Series conveys the power rearward quite nicely. Put into manual mode, shifting with the paddles elicits quick and clean gearshifts. The Acura’s five-speed box is just about as quick and smooth, but the paddles themselves don’t feel as solid. The big difference, though, is the difference in the number of gears. The BMW always feels like it can always find a sweet spot in the revs with just a click. A shift from the taller gears of the Acura might leave you just outside of the engine’s heartiest dose of power.

That difference in character when shifting isn’t totally on account of the transmissions, though. The simple fact of the matter is that the German six-cylinder has more power to offer, and it has a bigger range in revs in which that power flows freely from the engine. The BMW feels as though it breathes better, while the TSX’s engine doesn’t open up until about the middle, and tapers off at the very top.



That difference in power is inversely reflected to other factors that affect a buyer’s appeal of either vehicle. Firstly, the Acura returns better fuel mileage. Both cars drink premium gasoline, but the 3er gets 18 miles to the gallon in the city and 27 on the highway, compared to the TSX’s 22/30 mpg rating. Also, the extra two cylinders of the BMW will cost you; the difference in base price gives the Acura a $4740 advantage.

The biggest obvious difference between these two sporty wagons is which wheels get the power. The difference in normal driving, though, is very little. Yes, when pushed hard, the front-drive Acura does have a slight tendency to plow toward the outside of a curve. But in most instances, that understeer is minimal. Both wagons will trace a clean arc better than a grocery-getter should. It’s in imperfect conditions, though, where the dynamics change a lot, and if you live in a sunny and warm climate year-round, you can skip the next paragraph (or read on just to make yourself feel better).

We’re in the heart of winter here in snowy Michigan, and we had a fresh inch or two of the white stuff on the ground. The Acura handled about the same as one would expect losing grip here and there, but eventually able to overcome the lack of grip and get moving in a straight line. The rear-drive Bimmer (on all-season tires), however, fared not so well in the slick. In fact, it was horrible. In many instances, it wouldn’t even budge, but when we were lucky, it creeped skiddishly along, holding up traffic behind us. When stopped on a slight incline, releasing pressure from the brakes to inch forward would cause the rear end to move from side to side without even applying any throttle. It brought back memories of driving a previous winter, when we received a Nissan 370Z on summer tires a day or two before a snowfall. If you live somewhere that gets a real winter, and want to be able to use your wagon, the TSX wins here. If you must have the BMW, invest in all-wheel drive, or at least a really good set of snow tires.



But, like we said, on dry roads, both are a hoot. And if there’s a difference in how these cars feel when driven fast, a lot of that can be attributed to the feel of the suspension. The TSX feels taller, while the 328 feels as though it has a lower center of gravity. This makes a bit of a difference in corners, as the BMW feels slightly more planted. Over irregular surfaces, the Acura does a better job of swallowing up the bumps and ripples at speed, but the German offering tends to get more upset over things like railroad tracks, bouncing occupants fore and aft. Really, though, one doesn’t necessarily feel better than the other, and what feels right will likely come down to personal taste.



Qualifying steering feel, too, is pretty dependent on who is behind the wheel. The BMW offers its classic, heavy steering setup, which some drivers may find to feel artificial, while others may prefer it in enthusiastic driving. The Acura’s lighter tiller is a bit easier to toss around, and has a more relaxed attitude on center. The 3-Series may offer a bit more road feel at the wheel, but both wagons are pretty precise when it comes to hitting your mark and making quick directional changes.

And finally, the look and feel, both outside, and inside, are well done in each vehicle. The BMW offers a mature, classic look, and will feel pretty familiar to drivers of other luxury brands. Lots of long, slightly swooping lines and contours, with choices of earthtone leathers adorn the cabin. In the TSX, there’s a more edgy, brooding feeling, with more sharp angles. We like the seats, which make us feel like we felt behind the wheel of the likes of the RSX; it’s a little younger, a little meaner, but no less comfortable. The fact that the interior of our Acura tester was mostly black probably helped color the experience. One could make the argument that the BMW does feel slightly more premium, but the Acura fan might also call it less exciting.



Forced to choose (and not a dire situation that would be), our money would have to go to the German offering. There, we said it. It’d be a tough decision, and one we might very well regret come winter. The BMW, though, is just a bit more sporting, thanks in no small part to that wonderful straight-six mated to that slick six-speed, which makes the wagon feel as though it can summon of power aplenty with just a tap of the accelerator, where the Acura might find itself needing an extra heartbeat to build up the proper thrust. Were we more frugal minded on the day of our decision, it might have gone the other way, but our inner driver might shed one single tear.

Both the Acura TSX and BMW 328i wagons are great for someone who seeks luxury and sportiness, with the added utility and space. Whether you want something that is quick, soulful, fun, and at the same time totally comfortable being driven like a casual, law-abiding motorist, each has plenty to offer. The big question when choosing between these two vehicles is not so much, “Which is better?” The more appropriate question is, “What flavor?”

2011 Acura TSX Sport Wagon
Engine: Inline-4, 2.4 liters, 16v
Output: 201 hp/170 lb-ft
Fuel Economy, City/Hwy: 22/30 mpg
Base Price: $30,960
Price As Tested: $34,610 (est)
On Sale: Now

2011 BMW 328i Sports Wagon
Engine: Inline-6, 3.0 liters, 24v
Output: 230 hp/200 lb-ft
Fuel Economy, City/Hwy: 18/27 mpg
Base Price: $35,700
Price As Tested: $45,650
On Sale: Now
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Old Jun 6, 2012 | 09:50 PM
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In cleaning up my office, I found a print I once picked up at the Acura dealer from Winding Road comparing the TSX wagon to the 328i wagon. Given that a couple of us come from European cars, I figure this is fitting here:

http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...-sports-wagon/
No question that the BMW is the more 'exciting' ride as a driver's car. Nonetheless, what these reviews usually don't mention (and what should be included as part of that 'feels right' and 'personal taste' sort of issue) is the cost of ownership over time. Not only with the initial purchase price and depreciation, but with cost of maintenance and repair costs (particularly when out of warranty.) Even simple modding is a more expensive proposition and is often accompanied by high anxiety over CELs and also getting the car permanently flagged at the dealer's service department.

As much as I truly appreciate German mechanical innovation and overall driving characteristics, I can get tired of knowing my service adviser so intimately (including the $100 'gift' tips/bribes at holiday time, etc..) And when something does go awry with them you always have to fear the worst. They're like having a drama queen as your mistress. Sometimes a good ol' farm girl who's not so particular and finicky is more fun over the long haul.
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Old Jun 6, 2012 | 10:45 PM
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I definitely agree. Reliable cars take a hit in new car reviews, but reputation over time helps. Even if a european make builds a bulletproof vehicle, I'll always doubt. Give me a 4 cylinder vehicle made in Japan and I'm biting hook, line, and sinker. Put on a rear sway bar on the TSX and you'd have a very different handling comparison. Besides, I've got my modded M3 sedan to act as my money pit. No need for two.
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Old Jun 7, 2012 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by turning japanese
No question that the BMW is the more 'exciting' ride as a driver's car. Nonetheless, what these reviews usually don't mention (and what should be included as part of that 'feels right' and 'personal taste' sort of issue) is the cost of ownership over time. Not only with the initial purchase price and depreciation, but with cost of maintenance and repair costs (particularly when out of warranty.) Even simple modding is a more expensive proposition and is often accompanied by high anxiety over CELs and also getting the car permanently flagged at the dealer's service department.

As much as I truly appreciate German mechanical innovation and overall driving characteristics, I can get tired of knowing my service adviser so intimately (including the $100 'gift' tips/bribes at holiday time, etc..) And when something does go awry with them you always have to fear the worst. They're like having a drama queen as your mistress. Sometimes a good ol' farm girl who's not so particular and finicky is more fun over the long haul.
The other issue is comparing a manual 328 to a auto TSX. Additionally, BMW probably sells fewer wagons than Acura and a huge chunk of those are AWD - a whole different proposition.
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Old Jun 7, 2012 | 08:32 AM
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I'm absolutely loving my wagon after 1700 miles in less than 2 weeks including lots of hwy and two lane mountain roads that go for miles and miles. Count me as one who couldve gone to a more expensive german wagon or other vehicle (had an 06 a4 sedan for a couple years that i really enjoyed).

But the value proposition and driving characteristics of the acura wagon just won me over. Add that i tend to keep my 'good' cars a long time and i'm happy with my decision. Just did a 200 mile loop drive in northern az and averaged 34.75mpg (And the computer finally got the calculation exactly right--had been overestimating by 1-2 mpg).

Minor nit picks

Beeps from all the dash buttons
sound on engine in morning
glove box rattle (soon to be fixed)
tires (soon to be replaced)
lack of storage up front
no spare
Thats about it.

Missed my 4runner (owned 9 years and over 200k) for about 5 days, now not at all. Finally found a comfortable seat position too!

Not sure whether i'll be sad or happy when these are soon discontinued
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Old Jun 7, 2012 | 08:48 AM
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When I bought my 335 in '09, my wife said "we can afford it, buy what you want but promise me that you'll keep it more than a couple of years." Two years and 40k miles she said "you need to trade that in on something that works."

I bought the TSX wagon as a daily driver until I found my new "toy." Unless my commute changes drastically, I see no reason to get a toy. The TSX will stay in the garage for a good many years.
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Old Jun 7, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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A minor annoyance, especially since i prefer roof open and windows down, is the wind buffeting with all open. Its like being in a freakin wind tunnel!

And with roof closed but all 4 windows open, the back seat belts flap like helpless bird. So back windows now stopped at 1/2 open which keeps belts quiet.

A big PLUS though is in Cruse Control mode if you want to accelerate or decelerate a certain # of mph, you can just TAP that button the same number of times (i.e. 4 taps, 4 mph) instead of hold and release when you get there.
Love that feature.
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Old Jun 7, 2012 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by kball
A minor annoyance, especially since i prefer roof open and windows down, is the wind buffeting with all open. Its like being in a freakin wind tunnel!

And with roof closed but all 4 windows open, the back seat belts flap like helpless bird. So back windows now stopped at 1/2 open which keeps belts quiet.

A big PLUS though is in Cruse Control mode if you want to accelerate or decelerate a certain # of mph, you can just TAP that button the same number of times (i.e. 4 taps, 4 mph) instead of hold and release when you get there.
Love that feature.
That, for the most part, is the result of modern aerodynamics and there isn't much that designers can do about it. A modern car is designed to be driven with the windows up and the roof closed - that buffeting is caused by the air that should be going around the car, being disturbed and ucked into the space by the rear window.
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Old Sep 17, 2012 | 11:39 PM
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I got my Acura Wagon with the tech package a month ago. I have to say I am quite happy with everything about the car, the handling, comfort, performance and it is surprisingly quiet on most of the roads here in AZ. I have about 1,000 miles on it and avg. about 26.5 driving 50/50.

We wanted to get rid of our 4WD 2011GMC SUV for a number of reasons and I'm glad I made that choice. We used to have a Volvo XC70 and the Acura compares very well in room and comfort. The Volvo was a turbo and a bit quicker, and probably more luxurious but there is a price difference just like the BMW or Audi....but like those two brands we started experiencing mechanical issues at 45K miles and were looking at reliability. We had a number of SUV's over the years, those are different animals and 4WD was necessary when we lived in WA....here in AZ, not necessary. I had a number of trucks, diesel, gas over the years as a general contractor, again different experience.

This car has enough oomph to get on the freeway at 70+, or pass someone...so I am happy with the 4 cyl, and would probably not have gone for a V6 if it were available, unless the MPG was close. My daughter has a new Accord, and this Acura handles better, and is peppier....quality inside is better.

All in all we are impressed and quite happy with our decision.
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Old Sep 18, 2012 | 09:27 PM
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I got my 2012 SW about 5 months ago. It's been great! I also appreciate moving into the Acura lineup- Having had a few accords since 1982 and just moving out of a 2003 mazda Protege 5- stick shift.
Now that's the one thing I miss- Stick
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Old Sep 18, 2012 | 09:30 PM
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Another comment about the lack of a spare tire- I got a spare from a 2009 Accord. Same bolt pattern and size. Removed the cargo tray and cut out some under carpeting and styrofoam junk and wedged the spare in nice and tight. Forget about trying to get an OEM spare from Acura- they wanted something like $800 for the package. As for the 'damage' I did to the rear compartment to fit the spare- totally invisible since it is all under the cover of the cargo floor, and the spare fills the void. It'll only ever see the light of day if I have flat.
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