Puppetmaster

I found a few options for 1Gs that should work for 2Gs that are under $1000 for those looking at BBKs but don't want to blow $1500+.

Fastbrakes has a 12.6" rotor (TSX stock is 11.8"), 4 POT kit that uses Wilwood calipers with the appropriate brackets, one piece rotors (most BBKs use 2-piece, which are lighter, and account for a lot of the incremental cost), and other supporting parts like pads and lines, and it starts at $825 + shipping.

http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/...x12.6slh1b.htm

They also have 13" and/or 6 POT options but those are going to be $1300 and up. In my experience with other cars, many people have used the basic Wilwood and Fastbrakes components and been happy, especially if you just want a nice upgrade for daily driving and light auto-x or track use. Fastbrakes has pretty good customer service and I think you can call them if you want blanks, slotted + drilled, different pads, etc.

Next is an option for the more adventurous I think. Fastbrakes offers brackets and rotors that will enable use of the 1993-1995 Legend front calipers, but with a 12.6" rotor. This is essentially a pair of relocation brackets + rotors and all, which is the trick to most BBKs anyway, since most just use the same calipers but have different brackets for different applications.

http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/...12.6%20oem.htm

I did some quick research on the Legend calipers and there are Type 1 and Type 2 calipers, both should work with the kit, theoretically. Type 1 is from the older models and is single piston and for a slightly thinner rotor, while the Type 2 has 2 pistons and made for slight thicker rotors. It seems that the Type 2 caliper is also the same as the NSX caliper.

One wrinkle is that some people say the L and R calipers must be flipped because on the Legend they are on the trailing side of the hub (the TSX has the calipers on the leading side), meaning the bleeder screw will be on the wrong end (bottom) if you follow the L and R from the Legend. Looks like there's some debate as to whether flipping L and R has detrimental effects on wear and braking power. The other thing is rotor thickness, since that would depend on whether you choose the Type 1 or 2 calipers. Fastbrakes is including their own rotors, but I don't know if they are assuming Type 1 or 2 calipers. Should be easy to call them and find out for sure though.

Some good info in this thread:

http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=343434

Also, I looked on eBay and found that most Type 1 single piston calipers start at around $40 each (rebuilt) and Type 2s are more like $80 and up. Either way, $160 for calipers + $330 for the Fastbrakes kit is still a decent deal. You can also get on www.car-part.com and get some calipers from a yard for even less and rebuild them yourself.

Sure, it isn't as bling as aftermarket calipers, but it should still be an improvement going to a bigger rotor and dual pistons. In my previous car I did a similar mod, going from the OEM 11.8" single piston to another OEM 12.6" single piston and it was night and day different in stopping power. It looked better too.

Yes, when it comes to brakes, you need to pay to play, but for those budget minded folks, I think these are good alternatives since not everyone is going to track the car or is building a show car.

This is just information that I'm gathering, so I'm not sure if this will work seamlessly, either way, I'm not responsible for anything you decide to do, just sharing some research I've done on this.

Puppetmaster

Oh yeah, feel free to comment or add info... thanks.

VortexBlueTSX

Im kind of liking that wilwood option, good find

ed_423

it seems like the brakes from the tl-s also fits (according to the russian site. not sure if there were any modifications had to be made or it was plug and play)

Puppetmaster

Interesting. Which gen TL-S? Either way, I'm guess since it's a slightly newer model car, those calipers may not be that cheap. Depending on how much those cost, it might be more worth doing the Wilwood kit, which is essentially plug, bleed, and play. The OEM look of the TL-S calipers make that worth looking into though.

The other thing I failed to raise was wheel clearance. With the weak offset of the stock 17" rims and the spoke design, I'm assuming that any BBK set up will either not clear or require some spacers. This is an issue even with certain aftermarket rims, depending on offset and rim design. Something else to consider for those looking into a BBK, but I'm sure most of you already knew that.

ttk5

GREAT info man. You got me thinking about brakes now..

Puppetmaster

No problem, I figured I wouldn't be the only one considering brakes.

Mr Marco

Trollin' here...anyone running a BBK? these look like the same tiny stompers on my RDX.



I would like to upgrade next year...

ttk5

as far as i know, member Derwoodee is the only one with BBK on the CU2

ttk5

And for other "budget" brake upgrades, heeltoe offers many decent packages on their website. Most are CL7 and CL9 packaged, but they are transferrable. Their stage 3 kit is under $1000

http://www.heeltoeauto.com/acura-tsx-2009-cu2-brakes/

ed_423

ttk is right, derrwood is the only one running it.

unless you count our russian friends as well.

PPower

From what I was researching a previous time, my recollection is that Brembo from the TL do not fit the CU2 due to the mounting bracket being different. Until I take the time to research that again, you may take that with a grain of salt, but I think that's the case.

So on brakes, anything that fits 04-8 should fit 09+?

ed_423

I'll try to find the tl-s brakes on cu2 from the Russian site and post a link. But again I have no idea If there were any modification done to have them fit

Puppetmaster

Thanks, I didn't include those because the Stage 3 kit doesn't include calipers. While that is upgraded rotors, lines, pads, etc. you can only improve braking so much without getting better calipers. The nice thing is that the HT Spec kit is front and rear. Also, from a cost perspective, I'd rather get the Wilwood set or even try the Legend set up than spend that much money and still be using stock calipers. That's just me, of course.

Puppetmaster

I just ran a quick search in the 1G forums and it looks like the Brembos will not work and there is no existing solution like a relocation bracket of sorts to enable them to work.

ed_423

found it.

http://www.drive2.ru/cars/honda/acco...evsha/journal/

tl-s caliper

s2000 ebc discs

Excelerate

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We offer the FB 12.6" kit too.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c.../i-236893.aspx

It's been a popular kit for us since it is a budget-minded BBK. It uses 12.6" 1 piece slotted/drilled discs and Wilwood 4 piston calipers.


For those who want the ultimate BBK I'd recommend the STOPTECH kit because it includes 2 piece 328mm rotors with forged 4 piston calipers.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c.../i-279455.aspx

Puppetmaster

And for less than FB

Puppetmaster

Very nice. He must have had a relocation bracket fabbed up for that, not impossible, but you'd need a set of the Brembos and a local contact to do the measurements and milling.

Euronoob

Whoa, thanks a lot for this info Puppermaster. Will definitely look into this once my current pads need a change.

Throwdown

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We've had a few customers go with the StopTech and one recently go with the 14" KSport Big Brake kit.

Most tend to just upgrade to EBC Rotors/Pads and a few with Techna-Fit brake lines.

PPower

1. Is it possible to get this with Stoptech 2 piece rotors instead? I would prefer the lighter weight of 2 piece and have matching rotors on the rear as well.

2. Can they also be had in red?

Throwdown

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1. Yes, StopTech has the option of 2pc floating rotors, they call this AeroRotor line. Link http://www.stoptech.com/products

2. Red is the standard color for the StopTech bbk, so yes.

PPower

Sorry. I was quoting the Wilwood BBK. Wilwood's site even shows almost exclusive use of 2 piece rotors.

Excelerate

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1. In order to get the 2 piece discs you would need to buy the STOPTECH Big Brake Kit.

2. Standard colors for calipers are red, black and silver.

1. STOPTECH does not offer Aero Rotors for the TSX. The only way to get the 2 piece discs is to buy the STOPTECH BBK.

2. Red is not "the standard color"; they also offer silver and black as standard colors.

PPower

So far it seems that my questions were confusing. So here's what I'm getting from this and looking up info myself:

The Stoptech bbk comes in red, silver, or black at the same price as they are standard. Red is probably the most common found color.

Wilwood:
-Fastbrakes sells the black calipers or red for an extra $160
-Excelerate sells the fastbrakes Wilwood kit, but no answer on if they sell the red kit from them as well.
-No contact yet to find out if Fastbrakes can/would sell their 12.6" kit with a 2 piece rotor such as the one that appears available on the wilwood site.

*new information: speaking of 12.6" rotors, that's the same as the RL, and I'm seeing those Brembo calipers for sale on ebay for $300 (needing finishing). Of course having a mounting bracket would probably still be a problem.

Excelerate

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We sell the red upgrade for the same price, $160. There is no 2 piece 12.6" disc available.

MrHeeltoe

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We have a custom Fastbrakes/AP kit for sale here...it served me well for quite some time and the price on offer is great as well.

http://heeltoeauto.com/gallery/index...ITEMS/IMAG0913


Also note, Racingbrake kits are now available in 4 caliper colors as part of our HTSpec brakes lineup (stage 4&5):

http://www.heeltoeauto.com/ht-spec-b...-acura-cl.html
http://www.heeltoeauto.com/ht-spec-b...-acura-cl.html

Cajun

Which BBK will fit with stock 17" wheels?

MrHeeltoe

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Racingbrake/HTSpec will for sure. Maybe requiring a 3mm spacer in front.