2010 TSX - V6 engine confirmed
#42
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I believe a V6 is coming, I think that's pretty obvious going off everything we've heard for about a year now. I Just wonder why he would say "Pilot engine". That 3.5 is used (tuned differently, VCM etc...)in the Accord, Odyssey, Pilot and TL. Seems strange.
And for those who don't know, Honda's 3.5L engine is THE SAME SIZE and lighter than the old 3.0L in the Accord and 3.2L in the TL. So fitment should not be an issue.
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Does the 2nd gen TSX have room to pass a rear axle through? I know there was long running speculation about a SH-AWD variant of the 1st gen but that was never even a possibility since the chassis would have to have been altered radically. I'm curious if is this is still the case. I suspect it is as it seems a bit clumsy to make the TSX AWD when that would move the price point well into TL land.
I still think a SH-FWD would be friggin awesome in this car with another 50 or 60 hp. Torque steer could simply be programmed away at that point. Plus you wouldn't have the weight or drive line loss of an AWD system. My fingers are crossed.
I still think a SH-FWD would be friggin awesome in this car with another 50 or 60 hp. Torque steer could simply be programmed away at that point. Plus you wouldn't have the weight or drive line loss of an AWD system. My fingers are crossed.
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Does the 2nd gen TSX have room to pass a rear axle through? I know there was long running speculation about a SH-AWD variant of the 1st gen but that was never even a possibility since the chassis would have to have been altered radically. I'm curious if is this is still the case. I suspect it is as it seems a bit clumsy to make the TSX AWD when that would move the price point well into TL land.
I still think a SH-FWD would be friggin awesome in this car with another 50 or 60 hp. Torque steer could simply be programmed away at that point. Plus you wouldn't have the weight or drive line loss of an AWD system. My fingers are crossed.
I still think a SH-FWD would be friggin awesome in this car with another 50 or 60 hp. Torque steer could simply be programmed away at that point. Plus you wouldn't have the weight or drive line loss of an AWD system. My fingers are crossed.
Also not sure how similar the TSX and TL chasis are but they are similar, so I'd guess that the axle will fit.
But I'm with you, I'd rather see it remain FWD at this point. Adding AWD will add far too much weight and complexity.
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Honestly, Colin, I hope you're wrong on your SH-AWD claim. I agree that there will be at least two engines, and my guess is the existing I4 and the 3.5 from the base TL. Some others think a 3.2 is likely, but I don't see why Honda/Acura would want to mass manufacture yet another variant of the J-series when they can pick from the Accord V6 6MT's engine and the two in the TL. I doubt we'll see a VCM engine, since I'm sure it'll be tuned for performance (and thus require 91 octane).
Here are the trim packages I want to see:
1) FWD I4 base 5AT
2) FWD I4 tech 5AT
3) SH-AWD V6 base 5AT
4) SH-AWD V6 tech 5AT
5) SH-AWD V6 tech 6MT (from the TL)
My gut says they'll drop the 6MT in the I4 in favor of the new 6MT/SH-AWD combo. I would buy #5 today if it were available.
Here are the trim packages I want to see:
1) FWD I4 base 5AT
2) FWD I4 tech 5AT
3) SH-AWD V6 base 5AT
4) SH-AWD V6 tech 5AT
5) SH-AWD V6 tech 6MT (from the TL)
My gut says they'll drop the 6MT in the I4 in favor of the new 6MT/SH-AWD combo. I would buy #5 today if it were available.
Forget about 5AT, give us a 7AT!
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They already had aprototype of TSX with RDX engine AND drivetrain. I dont know exactly why they didnt put it into production, but I suspect that it had to do something with the price. I mean turbo engines always cost a few grand more than similar NA engines and Honda didn't want to set a pricetag of $32-35k for entry level sedan.
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Maybe the 5AT doesn't have this issue, but I know my car does. Adding SH-AWD would make power delivery much better.
I do think a 2G TSX V6 SH-AWD 6MT Tech would be the perfect replacement for my TL. I don't want to pay 45k for the 2010 TL 6MT, and frankly I don't want a car that big.
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Sorry that was MY fuck up...I sell Acura's so excuse my ignorance with Honda products' numbers
#53
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A V6 TSX sounds pretty good to me. I do yearn for a bit more power sometimes, particularly while passing other vehicles and pulling out into traffic. The TL is quite large (and expensive) now and honestly I don't think I'd like to drive a vehicle that size. The fuel economy also leaves a bit to be desired.
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I'm not sure which TL you've driven, but my '05 6MT has quite a lot of torque steer. My buddy's '04 6MT has similar issues. I have to cross oncoming traffic daily, without a traffic light, during my morning commute. More than once I have had to gun it to make it across, and I have to fight with the wheel to aim the car in the right direction. It's not dangerous, but it's certainly not as smooth as the RL.
Maybe the 5AT doesn't have this issue, but I know my car does. Adding SH-AWD would make power delivery much better.
I do think a 2G TSX V6 SH-AWD 6MT Tech would be the perfect replacement for my TL. I don't want to pay 45k for the 2010 TL 6MT, and frankly I don't want a car that big.
Maybe the 5AT doesn't have this issue, but I know my car does. Adding SH-AWD would make power delivery much better.
I do think a 2G TSX V6 SH-AWD 6MT Tech would be the perfect replacement for my TL. I don't want to pay 45k for the 2010 TL 6MT, and frankly I don't want a car that big.
The new Accord doesn't have too many Torque steer complaints from what I've seen. A FWD TSX with 250HP would be fine.
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that's a good question, maybe they can say add adaptive cruise control on the TSX as well. it's in the Euro Accord i think. i saw an insideline video stating that the new Euro Accord had it.
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As I recall, the original MDX in 2001 had a 240 hp engine. Not sure about the torque though.
#58
It might be hard to feel without a comparison because I'm sure the TL has some TQ steer, the TSX even has some. All front wheel drive cars do.
#59
if u add more torque to those front wheels, u get torque steer. Seems like TSX will just becoming another TL (2004-2008) with more nimble handling. For torquey / fast cars at low RPM, I'd go for a RWD any day. I like to accelerate at corners and FWD can add under-steer while cornering.
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An A/T 08 TL-S with I/E and intake spacer has a handfull of torque steer in certain circumstances. I.E; Pointed straight on a freeway on-ramp.
Hell, my bone-ass stock TSX has it coming out of a corner with a generous amount of loud pedal.
It's all just a matter of what one is accustomed to.
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if u add more torque to those front wheels, u get torque steer. Seems like TSX will just becoming another TL (2004-2008) with more nimble handling. For torquey / fast cars at low RPM, I'd go for a RWD any day. I like to accelerate at corners and FWD can add under-steer while cornering.
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how about going up the cliffs. I have seen too many times RWD BMW/Lexus to have slip of wheels waiting for red light on hills of SF down town. My TSX hugs the front part and i am very confident in launching it without putting other foot on brake.
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Where's Shadow Tuner's *W* when I need it?
An A/T 08 TL-S with I/E and intake spacer has a handfull of torque steer in certain circumstances. I.E; Pointed straight on a freeway on-ramp.
Hell, my bone-ass stock TSX has it coming out of a corner with a generous amount of loud pedal.
It's all just a matter of what one is accustomed to.
An A/T 08 TL-S with I/E and intake spacer has a handfull of torque steer in certain circumstances. I.E; Pointed straight on a freeway on-ramp.
Hell, my bone-ass stock TSX has it coming out of a corner with a generous amount of loud pedal.
It's all just a matter of what one is accustomed to.
Point being, I'd rather have to deal with torque steer on a V6 TSX vs not having a V6 offered. If the V6 TSX does become a 04-08 TL, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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First time poster here, but have been lurking for awhile. I gotta say a V6 TSX would be great. My parents were looking for a new car recently and they were torn between the Accord and the TSX. They ended up taking the accord because they could get a V6 that ran on 87 octane. Take note this was before gas prices dropped significantly. The 4cylinder wasn't enough power and the 91+ octane deterred them even more. However they only leased the Honda and if this news is true, you can bet I will push them towards the V6 TSX.
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First time poster here, but have been lurking for awhile. I gotta say a V6 TSX would be great. My parents were looking for a new car recently and they were torn between the Accord and the TSX. They ended up taking the accord because they could get a V6 that ran on 87 octane. Take note this was before gas prices dropped significantly. The 4cylinder wasn't enough power and the 91+ octane deterred them even more. However they only leased the Honda and if this news is true, you can bet I will push them towards the V6 TSX.
#67
I personally dont like the new TL at ALL...if a 6 cyl TSX were to come out I would seriously consider it as a replacement for my beautiful 04 TL.
The new TSX rocks in the looks dept...the TL...not so much. The only thing I dont like about the current TSX is the lack of power. A V6 would solve that issue...bring it on.
The new TSX rocks in the looks dept...the TL...not so much. The only thing I dont like about the current TSX is the lack of power. A V6 would solve that issue...bring it on.
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Where's Shadow Tuner's *W* when I need it?
An A/T 08 TL-S with I/E and intake spacer has a handfull of torque steer in certain circumstances. I.E; Pointed straight on a freeway on-ramp.
Hell, my bone-ass stock TSX has it coming out of a corner with a generous amount of loud pedal.
It's all just a matter of what one is accustomed to.
An A/T 08 TL-S with I/E and intake spacer has a handfull of torque steer in certain circumstances. I.E; Pointed straight on a freeway on-ramp.
Hell, my bone-ass stock TSX has it coming out of a corner with a generous amount of loud pedal.
It's all just a matter of what one is accustomed to.
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The VCM can manage torque steer quite well as it applies a slight braking pressure to the opposite front wheel that is pulling the car into the other direction. In addition, it will release some throttle at the low speed torque. The Mazda3 Speed edition uses this technique on the 270 hp front driver and manages it quite well. In addition video's on winter test tracks demonstrating same driver input with the VSM on and off show a dramatic difference in handling. I do not think it is a marketing ploy for morons.
Regarding the 6, I am afraid that the extra $2 grand??? for this would push the Acura strongly into the same price range as the G-35, IS-250, and CTS, all of which are rear drivers. I looked at these, but decided to go for the TSX because of the better milage (I commute 70 miles/day), the best in class 6 speed manual, the 'lighter' feeling chassis in handling, and, living in Minnesota, the front driver for better traction. These are my preferences however, I am sure others just might go the extra dough for the 6 and still stay with the TSX.
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dom, you seem to have an issue with the VCM as you commented about it many times, did you date a person that had these same initials that did you wrong or did the VCM button shock you???
The VCM can manage torque steer quite well as it applies a slight braking pressure to the opposite front wheel that is pulling the car into the other direction. In addition, it will release some throttle at the low speed torque. The Mazda3 Speed edition uses this technique on the 270 hp front driver and manages it quite well. In addition video's on winter test tracks demonstrating same driver input with the VSM on and off show a dramatic difference in handling. I do not think it is a marketing ploy for morons.
The VCM can manage torque steer quite well as it applies a slight braking pressure to the opposite front wheel that is pulling the car into the other direction. In addition, it will release some throttle at the low speed torque. The Mazda3 Speed edition uses this technique on the 270 hp front driver and manages it quite well. In addition video's on winter test tracks demonstrating same driver input with the VSM on and off show a dramatic difference in handling. I do not think it is a marketing ploy for morons.
VCM = Variable Cylinder Management - Shut of 2 or 3 cylinders to "save fuel".
VSA = Vehicle Stability Assist
Two entirely different things. You're talking about VSA, which I'm quite fond of as well.
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DOPE!!!! You are right, I guess I had too many Christmas cookies and was off course with the acronyms. Thanks for the clarification. I guess you did not have a bad relationship with someone having those initials after all!
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Nope. VSA is one of the best things Honda has done in years IMO. Have on the Ody as well. Thank god they allow user control (unlike Toyota) because you do have to shut it off to get going in the deep stuff.
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i dought they will put a v6 in the tsx. but i have been in contact with my dealer and there is talk about a type s tsx...they are talking about putting the rdx 2.3t in the tsx. but like othet ppl have said it all depends on gas prices.
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2.3T...that's a swap I *would* do. It's a more appropriate choice AFAIK for this application.
With 10k miles on the clock now, I'm just starting to appreciate the lack of weight over the nose on this thing. There's a buttload of room under the hood for the turbo & plumbing & a top mount or front mount and..and..and. =)
With 10k miles on the clock now, I'm just starting to appreciate the lack of weight over the nose on this thing. There's a buttload of room under the hood for the turbo & plumbing & a top mount or front mount and..and..and. =)
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Plain and simple, the TSX should be made available with as many different variations/trims as possible. Imagine the potential...
1. Current 4 banger
2. 2.3L w/Turbo
3. V6 with VCM
4. V6 with SH-AWD
5. Diesel option (only in 6speed)
This type of flexibility would truly put Acura on the map with the potential to go to battle with the 3 series line-up. Fuck that'd be sweet!
1. Current 4 banger
2. 2.3L w/Turbo
3. V6 with VCM
4. V6 with SH-AWD
5. Diesel option (only in 6speed)
This type of flexibility would truly put Acura on the map with the potential to go to battle with the 3 series line-up. Fuck that'd be sweet!
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Plain and simple, the TSX should be made available with as many different variations/trims as possible. Imagine the potential...
1. Current 4 banger
2. 2.3L w/Turbo
3. V6 with VCM
4. V6 with SH-AWD
5. Diesel option (only in 6speed)
This type of flexibility would truly put Acura on the map with the potential to go to battle with the 3 series line-up. Fuck that'd be sweet!
1. Current 4 banger
2. 2.3L w/Turbo
3. V6 with VCM
4. V6 with SH-AWD
5. Diesel option (only in 6speed)
This type of flexibility would truly put Acura on the map with the potential to go to battle with the 3 series line-up. Fuck that'd be sweet!