CraigMacDTA

It's pretty much confirmed. V6 VCM with 240HP and 242 lbs ft of torque. A very good source within the ranks all but confirmed it'll be ready for September 09.

cyberbro

Well depending on gas prices then, lets see what that does to resale prices. This might not be pretty.

ShadowTuner

Glad I got the current engine now. Only way I would have regretted it is if they were going to put the turbo motor in it.

CGTSX2004

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'll believe it when I see it.

SSFTSX

It does not makes sense. Acura use premium fuel. So alteast i am expecting TL 3.5 engine. for about 280bhp. TSX current engine is fine for normal driving. i wonder they will go with SH-AWD as every other Acura already got it.

dom

Confirmed by whom?

If true, why only 240/242? Sounds odd.

SSFTSX

Resale prices are more funciton of general economic condition. More powerful TL or Accords doesnot effect the lower powered models. I think there are less TSX sold compared to 1G. So Resale value will be good in 3 to 4 years when economy picks up.

dom

The Pilot does use a 3.5L V6. With higher HP and Tq figures.

jlukja

My guess is any higher and the torque steer becomes intrusive. If you add SH-AWD and higher HP then it starts to approach the TL.

wackura

It's a good move if true. Lexus has an IS250 and an IS350 and so Acura should have a similar dynamic. Personaly I think it would push the price of the TSX up by a degree that would prompt me to look at other cars if I were cross shopping.

CraigMacDTA

Those are the numbers for the Pilot, so he said it may vary as the TSX is lighter...the person is a very well respected Honda/Acura employee so I won't mention any names or position, but trust me - it's signed sealed and soon to be delivered to the nearest Acura dealership near you (Sept).

LukeaTron

It's true because some one on the internet said so!

This is by no means a personal attack but look at it from the perspective of any one who isn't you. We have no idea who you are and then you're extracting the source another degree by saying the info comes from unnamed third party. There's a long history of rumors supported by exactly the same evidence you site that have proven completely unfounded. I see no reason beyond the pleasure of group speculation to even consider what you've said here.

SSFTSX

for only 39 bhp adding weight and complexity of V6 does not make sense in 2010. If it was late 90s. 39bhp would be welcome addition.
Now even Honda Accord on regular fuel makes 260-270bhp. Almost 80bhp difference from EX- 4 cylinder.

xenonhid

I'm all for stirring up a great discussion but its just rumors and hearsay at this point.

CybrRdr

Interesting... If this rumor does become reality, whats the point without SH-AWD?? How much is it gonna cost? ~ $35-40k? The 4-cylinder TSX is still the best overall value in IMO.

CraigMacDTA

Unfortunately I can't reveal my source boyz and girls, but think of it...it makes the most sence at the same time. Someone mentioned gas above and it's funny cuz I actually asked him the same thing since the Pilot also takes regular and he said it will be tuned to take regular fuel, not 91 Octane.

wackura

I was skeptical before but now I'm calling bullshit. You won't name your source because you know we'd laugh if you did.

CraigMacDTA

Wackura, I'm from Toronto...you don't know the Acura/Honda suits up here as part of Honda Canada. Even if I did mention the name you would say you'd never heard of them. Like I said man...believe it or not, it's your perogative!

SSFTSX

TSX uses premium fuel and has 11 bhp more than 4cyliner EX Accord with better torque. So why would 3.5L V6 less powerful than Accord V6? along with torque numbers. for premium brand using regular fuel is very unpremium
And there is press statement that Promoting TL for next 12-16 months is Acura core marketing strategy. Unless TL becomes total failure which has greater chances in current economics.
I dont expect anything major untill spring of 2010.

ESHBG

Facts and credible sources, or it does not exist. The reasoning behind using this particular engine makes very little sense so you can't blame people for not swallowing a story like this...

LukeaTron

I question whether or not it would even fit in the chassis. My boss has a Pilot and I've been into it a few times (he's scared of breaking things, hehehe). My gut tells me that the motor is about 12" too tall to fit under the TSX hood.

SSFTSX

Any V6 TSX will have to compete with A4 2.0T/IS-350/ES-350/BMW 328/C-300
It will need to 0-60 in 6.5sec or better with 29mpg freeway economy on EPA Current 5speed is fine fo 4cylinder but with V6 price & expectations are different for 2010. Any thing less than that doesnot make sense.

Colin

I was told three powertrains for the TSX way back in 2007. We already know the diesel has been delayed or canceled. This leaves the V6 as the second choice. I was also clearly told no AWD for the TSX as it must remain a entry level car. Since it is generally accepted that there is a 2-3 year gestation period a 2010 introduction would make sense.

Sclass88

Whether your friend is right or wrong, I'll believe it when I see it but it doesn't make much sense if you ask me... it'll steal sales from the TL. Put the RDX engine in the TSX and then Acura will have a winner...

godfather2

with the diesel on the backburner, this is def good news imho. it'll open up the market for acura ...

Mokos23

Disappointed, I want to have a V6 TSX with SH-AWD at least.

CraigMacDTA

IMO, the TSX should be available with as many different engines as possible, as many trims as possible but that isn't the Honda/Acura way. Not sure if I like the Turbo idea, unless of course the fuel consumption ratings are improved substancially over the RDX - which is why, again, it makes the most sence to go with the V6 VCM!

xenonhid

I'm glad you share the enthusiasm for the TSX and having more available options. I mean Acura does have a V6 with available SH-AWD, and its called the 09 TL.

Its also the fact that you are relatively new to the forum with a low post count, that will result in skepticism to be high so don't take it personally.

We have members on our forum who actually works for Acura and knowledgeable Moderators who I probably would trust their information over some random hearsay so you should see it from other's perspective.

HeavyDuty

If I wanted a V6 I woulda bought an Accord or TL. One could swap in the 286hp(?) from the 08 TL-S and it would be a lot of fun, but only from a "let's go fvck with people in this thing." Anyway, we'll see what happens, I still *think* the 2.3T is a natural in this chassis.

CraigMacDTA

^^^Point taken. Hey, I would never take anything personal over the interweeb

I'll say this...the gentleman that told me basically covers all Acura and Honda courses here. He's a new product/tech guy that leads and teaches our courses whenever something new comes out - ride and drives, online, you name it. If customers ask me about I'll tell them the same thing. I highly doubt it's "top secret" info otherwise he'd be foolish to mention it. At the same time, I'd look like an ass if he came on here and saw his name as the culprit to leaking information before they officially announce it.

carmagnut

I agree. 35K to 40K is pushing the possible limits for this car. It would too hard to walk passed a similiarly equipped V6 Accord for a good amount of money less. I am 1G TSX and I love the car, and yes I know it is different than the accord but I know I would not have paid those prices for this car.

SSFTSX

$35 to $40k will be fine if they add SH-AWD/300bhp/6speed auto/LED lights/upgraded 18"/sports suspension/more aggressive styling for bumpers/hard disk navigation with VGA.
otherwise there is little point in adding 40 to 50 horsepower to current transmission with same styling.

cyberbro

Yes resale does have to do with general economics, I agree. That will always effect a cars resale but a huge part of resale of a specific car not the car industry as a whole is the incoming model of that same car.

Why do you think when a car is coming out with a new design they offer thousands off the old model and nothing off the new one that just came out? (yes this is more of a case when everyone knows what is coming the next model year, like in March through December)

Just think in of it, it's 2012 and you want a used car. You decide that you love the TSX, one is a 2009 with 201hp and a 4 banger and the other is a 2010 (same body style, mileage and condition) with 240hp and a 6 cylinder. Now the general economy is going to do what it's going to do to both cars equally but the decision of what car to get, has more to do with the power and gas mileage you will get for the money. If gas is cheap you might not mind paying a bit more for the 6 cylinder if it's 5 bucks a gallon I bet you get the 4 cylinder.

A car that is more so the case is the Prius that car is linked to the price of gas for it's resale.

SSFTSX

I have seen some used Accords. Actully 3 to 4 years old V6 are either same price or bit cheaper than 4 cyinder. same is case with 06 TSX and 06 TL. Prices are almost the same despite rising or falling gas prices.
Offcourse 2010 will have little better value. But just 40hp without any other enhancement. Honda V6 are not fuel efficient like Toyota Camry/Lexus models. Unless they provide superior styling/equipment in 2010 V6 TSX with new transmissions. No will be willing to pay extra for it. dealer will start discounting it.

mg7726

of course it will have better milage over the RDX, right off the bat that boat is 500+lbs fatter then the TSX right now plus AWD to suck more gas. they can tune the 2.3T, but they already given up on the turbo engine (by virtue of reading others' replies regarding honda not happy with this engine. they hung it out to dry like the diesel for NA).

with the v6 it IS a TL - just in another disguise. 2nd gen TSX is already same dimensions as the 3rd gen TL, add the v6 acura is just springing up the same front-heavy FWD with a different name.


regarding the TSX running regular gas - i'd say no chance in hell.

[R]isque'

Agreed......

Colin

I think this is the idea. The TL has gently marched upward in price and this could help capture sales that might otherwise go elsewhere. Remember that a G2 TL cost around 29K. Some of these moved to a 3G TL when it moved to 33K but now we're asking for 35K. Granted its not a big difference, but we are making things harder for those that want an entry level V6 Acura.

A base V6 TSX would slot nicely at 31K and the V6 Tech would be a nice car at 34K. Essentially giving people the choice of a loaded TSX or base TL at roughly the same price. This makes a lot of sense to me.

PrecyseStylez

Haha.. some of you guys are funny. Bashing someone because they dont have enough posts to have any credibility.. Just wait it out. If it doesnt happen then bash. I wouldnt want a TSX with the RDX turbo.. that suv kills gas and its only a 2.3 liter.. A 3.2 liter that take makes 240hp 240tq and takes regular gas would be a nice addition. Lets see what happens. What if they keep the 4 cyclinder and add a 6 cyclinder to the TSX line up?.. Has anyone thought of that happening? I mean they do it with the USDM Accords.. so why not?

Colin

This is what I've been saying is the plan.

2002Dawg

Honestly, Colin, I hope you're wrong on your SH-AWD claim. I agree that there will be at least two engines, and my guess is the existing I4 and the 3.5 from the base TL. Some others think a 3.2 is likely, but I don't see why Honda/Acura would want to mass manufacture yet another variant of the J-series when they can pick from the Accord V6 6MT's engine and the two in the TL. I doubt we'll see a VCM engine, since I'm sure it'll be tuned for performance (and thus require 91 octane).

Here are the trim packages I want to see:
1) FWD I4 base 5AT
2) FWD I4 tech 5AT
3) SH-AWD V6 base 5AT
4) SH-AWD V6 tech 5AT
5) SH-AWD V6 tech 6MT (from the TL)

My gut says they'll drop the 6MT in the I4 in favor of the new 6MT/SH-AWD combo. I would buy #5 today if it were available.